Darkside:
Umm do you still believe that?
You are aware Brexit has cost us more than we ever contributed…
Still if you are happy giving it to Nissan on the day your Tory mates withdraw more Covid help from British businesses fair play to you.
Cheers 
…unlike you miserable ■■■■ s I’ve always been a glass half full optimistic type of guy…but there ya go eh.
Darkside:
the maoster:
Bad news for the doom merchants from Nissan. They’re investing heavily into a new model and battery plant in Sunderland. 1500 direct jobs created and approximately 4000 support jobs. Just as well Tokyo doesn’t read TN.Funded with hundreds of millions of your tax pounds… what a Brexit dividend it is
So I’m to assume that no European taxpayers money funds any business within the EU? governments have always done this and always will, currently the UK uses state aid to the sum of 0.5% of GDP three times lower than Germany.
As for Tory boys supporting Brexit if only Tory voters voted for Brexit then remain would have won I see that the labour party are planning to oust Starmer if todays by election doesn’t go their way and replace him with a more hardline left winger, have the last two elections taught them nothing? Looks like they are prepared to gift the Conservatives the next election too as they become more and more irelevant to the working class
Mazzer2:
Darkside:
the maoster:
Bad news for the doom merchants from Nissan. They’re investing heavily into a new model and battery plant in Sunderland. 1500 direct jobs created and approximately 4000 support jobs. Just as well Tokyo doesn’t read TN.Funded with hundreds of millions of your tax pounds… what a Brexit dividend it is
So I’m to assume that no European taxpayers money funds any business within the EU? governments have always done this and always will, currently the UK uses state aid to the sum of 0.5% of GDP three times lower than Germany.
As for Tory boys supporting Brexit if only Tory voters voted for Brexit then remain would have won I see that the labour party are planning to oust Starmer if todays by election doesn’t go their way and replace him with a more hardline left winger, have the last two elections taught them nothing? Looks like they are prepared to gift the Conservatives the next election too as they become more and more irelevant to the working class
You have just illustrated why these lot keep calling me a ‘Tory boy’ and referring to me as having ‘Tory mates’.
If the Labour Oarty consisted of MPs who were relevant to the likes of me and my class, Iand who represented and worked for me,.I’d be back in therein
In the meantime I’ll keep voting for my ‘‘Tory mates’’ just to keep these ‘out of touch/lost their reason for being there’ clowns out.
Tories are the best of two ■■■■ bad evils imo.
It’s a bit like a good pub or chippy that you have always used and supported, if some other owners take over who are totally crap, you look for somewhere else, but it ain’t necessarily your first choice.
On the other hand i refuse to vote for the supposed lesser evil of two or even several dead useless or just plain bought and paid for parties.
This negative voting is exactly why we have the uniparty and an opposition that might just as well cross the floor and join the other interchangeable bloody clones, not as we see anything more than a handful of the sods, using the fake flu epidemic as just another excuse to avoid doing any work.
I will not vote again unless there is someone or a party standing in my area worth voting for, someone with principles who can’t be bought and can’t be frightened by the party whips into doing as they are told, if that allows in the worse team of the uniparty so be it.
the maoster:
Bad news for the doom merchants from Nissan. They’re investing heavily into a new model and battery plant in Sunderland. 1500 direct jobs created and approximately 4000 support jobs. Just as well Tokyo doesn’t read TN.
I expect that the Vauxhall management at Ellesmere Port will see this, and raise the stakes in the subsidy game , and threaten to close the plant.
At which point the non poker player’s in govt fold and donate huge sums of taxpayer’s money to Vauxhall too . All in the best possible taste mind.
Absolutely, I mean over 6000 new jobs must surely be a bad thing?
I’m sure that some on here would complain if they found a £20 note that it should’ve been a £50.
£ 100 000 000 given by the UK govt to Nissan apparently .
More jobs in Sunderland looks good to me.
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Are those jobs there because of Brexit?
Probably would have come there anyway because of Nissan having a successful factory there. But they were put at risk by Brexit.
That the risk has been mitigated is good, but it’s like playing Russian roulette and being glad when you survive. No need to pull the trigger, and getting an empty chamber doesn’t mean you’ve won! It means you haven’t lost… yet.
Brexit caused a lack of confidence by Nissan resulting in the guarantees given to them a few years ago. That the lack of confidence has been overcome is good, but at what price? Has the UK Gov ended up paying out in cash or guarantees for something that would have been free if we had stayed in?
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Brexit has already cost us shedloads of cash, and here is another example.
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What deal has Nissan got?
I certainly don’t know, and given the “secret deal” of 2016, who does know?
theguardian.com/politics/20 … carmarkers
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the maoster:
Absolutely, I mean over 6000 new jobs must surely be a bad thing?I’m sure that some on here would complain if they found a £20 note that it should’ve been a £50.
Loose a fifty, find a twenty, and think you’re on a winner then.
Being free from the yoke of unelected Eurocrats is worth waaay more than that fifty to me.
the maoster:
Being free from the yoke of unelected Eurocrats is worth waaay more than that fifty to me.
Where’d you get that from? The Farage little red (white and blue) book?
Our negotiations with the EU are being conducted by whom? An unelected cabinet minister!
You don’t get it do you? You never will. Your whole mindset is subservience and obedience so you’ll never get it.
the maoster:
Absolutely, I mean over 6000 new jobs must surely be a bad thing?I’m sure that some on here would complain if they found a £20 note that it should’ve been a £50.
Taxpayer Bribes Used to Simulate Brexit Jobs
As a result of brexit, the UK car manufacturing sector has collapsed. But news of a new Nissan car battery plant has brexit supporters thinking it somehow backs up their claims, despite it still representing a huge net loss of jobs for the sector and the town of Sunderland. But it’s even worse than that as Boris Johnson has used taxpayer money to bribe Nissan to set the plant up
youtube.com/watch?v=axqzwkneW4Q
Where is this money to bribe companies coming from ?
NHS, perhaps, as there is not money to award promissed pay rise to all these nurses and doctors, to support the NHS, as we were promissed before the 2016 referendum.
anon84679660:
the maoster:
Absolutely, I mean over 6000 new jobs must surely be a bad thing?I’m sure that some on here would complain if they found a £20 note that it should’ve been a £50.
Taxpayer Bribes Used to Simulate Brexit Jobs
As a result of brexit, the UK car manufacturing sector has collapsed. But news of a new Nissan car battery plant has brexit supporters thinking it somehow backs up their claims, despite it still representing a huge net loss of jobs for the sector and the town of Sunderland. But it’s even worse than that as Boris Johnson has used taxpayer money to bribe Nissan to set the plant up
youtube.com/watch?v=axqzwkneW4Q
Where is this money to bribe companies coming from ?
NHS, perhaps, as there is not money to award promissed pay rise to all these nurses and doctors, to support the NHS, as we were promissed before the 2016 referendum.
Think you’ll find the reason for the drop in car production is due to Covid and a chip shortage car plants all around the world are on reduced production.
Governments use subsidies all the time see previous post reference how we compare to other European countries or how the EU subsidises industry Airbus being a good example. I’m presuming you didn’t vote Labour at the last election because having read their manifesto you would have seen how keen they were on state aid.
“As a result of brexit, the UK car manufacturing sector has collapsed.”
Well, I would dispute that. Anyone can start making statements like this and the problem (as we see here) is that people copy and paste them to forums. This is called fake news.
It is a well known fact that governments provide grants or subsidies that contribute to society, socially and economically. I mean the railways are hugely subsidised every single year to the tune of many many many times the £100 million gifted to help set up the Sunderland plant.
Slough council, along with Northampton and Croydon could use £ 100 million each… As will Peterborough and 8 other councils reported today as insolvent.
anon84679660:
the maoster:
Absolutely, I mean over 6000 new jobs must surely be a bad thing?I’m sure that some on here would complain if they found a £20 note that it should’ve been a £50.
Taxpayer Bribes Used to Simulate Brexit Jobs
As a result of brexit, the UK car manufacturing sector has collapsed. But news of a new Nissan car battery plant has brexit supporters thinking it somehow backs up their claims, despite it still representing a huge net loss of jobs for the sector and the town of Sunderland. But it’s even worse than that as Boris Johnson has used taxpayer money to bribe Nissan to set the plant up
youtube.com/watch?v=axqzwkneW4Q
Where is this money to bribe companies coming from ?
NHS, perhaps, as there is not money to award promissed pay rise to all these nurses and doctors, to support the NHS, as we were promissed before the 2016 referendum.
A channel run by Phil Moorhouse, extreme remainer, self confessed socialist and “staunch pro European”.
Highlights of his channel include….
How Corbyn can beat Brexit and win the general election”
I suggest people actually bother to look up these kinds of links, if only to clarify the “facts” they present.
With Juddian and his disgusting links it only served to expose a vile racist, this one is nothing more than deluded comedy gold.
Hkloss, you’re clearly desperate, but what’s worse is that you’ll try so hard to spin anything to your view, including what is clearly good news for those in desperate need of some sign of stability and hope in such times as we are in.
I suggest you give your remoaner head a wobble and stop posting links to such ridiculously biased sources.
I find your tone pathetic and frankly, deluded.
A pitiful troll……
the maoster:
You don’t get it do you? You never will. Your whole mindset is subservience and obedience so you’ll never get it.
Aaaaaaaand BOOM!!! ^^^ just to be contrarian up pops Franglais.
by the maoster
Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:54 pm
So, trying to be an amateur psychologist from a remote location, over the internet doesn`t seem to provide reliable results.
Mazzer2:
anon84679660:
the maoster:
Absolutely, I mean over 6000 new jobs must surely be a bad thing?I’m sure that some on here would complain if they found a £20 note that it should’ve been a £50.
Taxpayer Bribes Used to Simulate Brexit Jobs
As a result of brexit, the UK car manufacturing sector has collapsed. But news of a new Nissan car battery plant has brexit supporters thinking it somehow backs up their claims, despite it still representing a huge net loss of jobs for the sector and the town of Sunderland. But it’s even worse than that as Boris Johnson has used taxpayer money to bribe Nissan to set the plant up
youtube.com/watch?v=axqzwkneW4Q
Where is this money to bribe companies coming from ?
NHS, perhaps, as there is not money to award promissed pay rise to all these nurses and doctors, to support the NHS, as we were promissed before the 2016 referendum.Think you’ll find the reason for the drop in car production is due to Covid and a chip shortage car plants all around the world are on reduced production.
Governments use subsidies all the time see previous post reference how we compare to other European countries or how the EU subsidises industry Airbus being a good example. I’m presuming you didn’t vote Labour at the last election because having read their manifesto you would have seen how keen they were on state aid.
Noremac:
It is a well known fact that governments provide grants or subsidies that contribute to society, socially and economically. I mean the railways are hugely subsidised every single year to the tune of many many many times the £100 million gifted to help set up the Sunderland plant
Airbus subsidies? Boeing alleges that defence and research contracts given to Airbus are hidden subsidies. I dont know of any lumps of cash given to them by any Gov? If Im wrong please correct me.
An EU Gov giving subsidies to an EU company seems different than giving subsidies to a foreign owned (mostly) company.
The breaks given to Nissan are not to keep a company afloat, but rather seem to be to set up in the UK rather than elsewhere.
If we were still in the EU, would those subsidies still have needed to be paid? I don`t know, as no-one can know, but I can see an argument for that.
Transport infrastructure and systems are seen as part of a Govs core responsibility in many countries,in the UK we see it as "subsidy" of a private business because the Gov took the privatisation route. We pay tax-payers money to private companies, that pay out dividends to share-holders. Ity is what happens true enough, but that doesnt make it right, and it isn`t a good example to follow IMHO.
