Brexit stuff in one place [MERGED]

msgyorkie:

hkloss1:
I can see that Robroy, MsGyorkie, are all back on this thread, and considering how much they all hated this thread, and wanted it to be closed for good, despite getting advices to just avoid reading it , and contributing, as there are so many more, more suitable ones for their level of thought, threads on this forum, they just can’t resist, coming back ■■■■■■■ all over this thread again, and again, and again.

I know my other best friend, Mazzer, is nervously biting his finger nails waiting for my replies (yes, that is exactly what I meant, biting finger nails, Mazzer), unfortunately I will have to make him wait a little longer, as I just can’s be bothered wasting my valuable time any longer.

In the meantime, I thought I would post this simplistic explanation of the current Brexit situation , for every reader of The Express , Sun, and Daily Mail, on this board:

Brexit Minister Whininig About Brexit Again

Our unelected Brexit minister, David Frost, Boris Johnson’s brexit poodle, has been yet again saying how bad his brexit agreement is working out. Not that he has apologised for this. But he keeps complaining about the protocol as if persuading Express readers will somehow change the reality. The protocol is a legal fact and any problems will need a legal solution.

youtube.com/watch?v=vGSWMs-EBiI

PS. Mazzer, Dear Friend, can you check for me , the texts I typed above, and pick up on all the mistakes, for me , please, as I can’t be bothered, please?

I read the first paragraph and my eyes glazed over so gave up on the rest. The resident lunatic is back.

At least I enjoy reading Franglais tosh!

4th musketeer is in too.
What happened to your quest of closing this thread for good, and starting exactly the same themed one yourself?
Got merged with the main one , didn’t it?
Are you OK with that MsGyorkie.

Watching the vengenful manner of your posts, you must be dissapointed, yours wasn’t on top

…but, lets get back to the hard facts:

I will only post the last paragraph, as it is a very long article.

Long-term consequences
Leaving the EU single market means the end of frictionless trade and higher costs for UK companies, even once they have adjusted to the new way of doing business.
“It’s important to recognize that there are some teething troubles, but there are also troubles to come as the long-term consequences of making commerce more difficult come home to roost,” said Winters.
That will knock foreign direct investment into the United Kingdom over time because companies wanting to serve the European market will no longer choose to base themselves in Britain, he added.
There are early signs that this is already happening. Alfred Van Pelt, the managing director of Something Different, a clothing and accessories wholesaler based in England, said in a statement Monday that Brexit has “killed a massive growth opportunity” for the business.
“Our foreign investor had plans for the UK entity to become a European distribution hub. This is now no longer on the cards as the only distribution that can be done from within the UK cost effectively is to UK postcode addresses,” he added.
The new trading relationship is expected to lead to a long-run loss of output in Britain of around 4% compared to remaining in the European Union, according to the UK Office for Budget Responsibility, which produces economic forecasts for the government. Exports and imports will be around 15% lower in the long run.
According to Jerzewska, the trade expert, the main consequence will be the gradual shift of supply chains as EU producers find alternative suppliers. “Businesses follow the path of least resistance and the new barriers to trade can make the UK suppliers less competitive on the EU market,” she said.

edition.cnn.com/2021/04/12/busi … index.html

hkloss1:

robroy:
^^^^^^^^
‘Enjoy’ might be stretching it a bit I reckon… :laughing:
But at least with Franglais you can get an intelligent argument out of him and a display of his sense of humour, and without him resorting to petty insults,… and at least HIS ‘rants’ ain’t delivered in the style of an Austrian born Germamic dictator. :smiley:

Petty insults?
You might want to check back to where it all started, but then I guess , you don’t want to find out, that you have yourself only to blame.
We have a saying “You reap what you saw”, in my part of the country, not sure if the same exists where you come from.

We non lumberjacks have a similar saying, it’s ‘‘You reap.what you SOW’’. :smiley:

N Ireland protocol not sustainable for long, warns Frost

Trade minister urges bloc to take ‘common sense’ approach to implementing Brexit deal (translation: Frost begs the EU, as the EU doesn’t give a proverbial …)

ft.com/content/ce74cfcd-6a9 … df2232dd2e

What was he thinking, when only a few months ago, this Brexiter signed the deal, and his boss B. Johnson, claimed it was a very good deal for Britain.
Why did the Brexiteers voted for people that don’t know what they are doing.
How can anybody in the world take this Brexit government seriously, when they have other countries, only few miles across the water, that have stable governments and policies, that can be relied on and trusted?

I surely wouldn’t touch this island with a barge pole, if I was a serious foreign investor with money to invest.

robroy:

hkloss1:

robroy:
^^^^^^^^
‘Enjoy’ might be stretching it a bit I reckon… :laughing:
But at least with Franglais you can get an intelligent argument out of him and a display of his sense of humour, and without him resorting to petty insults,… and at least HIS ‘rants’ ain’t delivered in the style of an Austrian born Germamic dictator. :smiley:

Petty insults?
You might want to check back to where it all started, but then I guess , you don’t want to find out, that you have yourself only to blame.
We have a saying “You reap what you saw”, in my part of the country, not sure if the same exists where you come from.

We non lumberjacks have a similar saying, it’s ‘‘You reap.what you SOW’’. :smiley:

Very well done Robroy, I like your speed, and attention to details.
I have corrected it now, and it’s all thanks to you.
Where would I have been if you weren’t around?
You are on your way to replace my main spell checker, Mazzer, hell, you were even faster than the maoster.
I am awarding this point to you, and the maoster and mazzer have to raise their game, they are clearly falling behind.

What did you think about the video I posted, any comment on that?

Further to the video on Spain, here is one from VOA,
youtu.be/BmFRITjPGLA.
.
Future UK retirees who would otherwise have gone to Spain will now stay in the UK.
At the same time we are trying to stop foreign workers from entering the UK.
.
So more elderly residents here, using UK facilities rather than Spanish ones.
Fewer younger workers arriving here to work and pay taxes.
More people in our Social and Health care systems, with fewer to pay for them and work in them.
.
Anyway RobRoy said he would remind me about the Brexit result?
Remind me how the vote went then?
.
And how the “easiest trade agreement in history” went?
How did the “all ups, no downside” turn out?
Is “frictionless trade” frictionless?
Is Northern Ireland as promised? What is the current result there?
How are the UK import checks, put off until April 1st, working out?
.
What results do you want to remind me of?
.
HKLOSS is correct, you won the Brexit vote.
And?.. over to you RR.

Franglais:
Further to the video on Spain, here is one from VOA,
youtu.be/BmFRITjPGLA.
.
Future UK retirees who would otherwise have gone to Spain will now stay in the UK.
At the same time we are trying to stop foreign workers from entering the UK.
.
So more elderly residents here, using UK facilities rather than Spanish ones.
Fewer younger workers arriving here to work and pay taxes.
More people in our Social and Health care systems, with fewer to pay for them and work in them.
.
Anyway RobRoy said he would remind me about the Brexit result?
Remind me how the vote went then?
.
And how the “easiest trade agreement in history” went?
How did the “all ups, no downside” turn out?
Is “frictionless trade” frictionless?
Is Northern Ireland as promised? What is the current result there?
How are the UK import checks, put off until April 1st, working out?
.
What results do you want to remind me of?
.
HKLOSS is correct, you won the Brexit vote.
And?.. over to you RR.

Of the retirees in Spain how many come back to use the NHS when ill? In 2016 a woman on a radio show in Ireland said the biggest problem for her with Brexit was it may stop her using the NHS, she had lived in Ireland for over 20 years, so good chance that expats are already using the NHS, or the expats who school their children in the UK. In the main UK expats are among the most odius goup of people you can meet they don’t intergrate and expect the UK to still support them while sitting there saying what a kip the UK is and wouldn’t want to live there as it’s too full of foreigners :open_mouth: I think most people find it amusing the position these people are now in, if they were legitimate then they’ll have no problems but for the many who aren’t tough.

No one is stopping workers coming into the UK the difference now is that it is not a free for all. If you caught a ferry out of Calais on a Friday night prior to Brexit you would see the bus loads of Romanians and Bulgarians coming in, nothing wrong in principle except unlike when the initial immigration came from Poland etc it was young workers the Ro and BG are whole families so Grandma, parents and then 3 or 4 children explain what economic benefit they bring? Working in scam car washes etc. Last week on the ferry a classic example a Ro or Bg family grandma, two parents 4 children the eldest of which was pregnant unless he’s going to be a high level tax payer no benefit at all to the UK.

To you and Hkloss it is all about trade but that is not the be all and end all, trade will sort itself out I’ll let you publish March’s trade figures with the EU surprised you haven’t done it already but then seeing as they are about a billion shy of December 2020 figures not so newsworthy!
The UK was totally unprepared for the introduction of free movement and that was the fault of the government at the time not the EU, remember the figure from Labour only around 13,000 are expected to come :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: UK business took advantage of the cheap labour and didn’t invest in technology hence despite the influx of people GDP is down despite the economy doing reasonably well, people did not see the benefit any surprise that when given the chance they voted for change. Where was the consultation for all this change? Remember the promised referendum by Blair on the Lisbon treaty what happened to that? The EU is on a drive for closer and closer intergration some of us didn’t want that and every crisis is an excuse for more intergration instead of trying to solve the cause of the crisis and prevent it from happening again. The appointment of VDL being classic EU politicking rather than appointing a capable person able to do the job a deal was done to keep the two major powers happy. If someone asked you for a job and their CV showed that they had failed in their last two major roles would you give them the job?

Finally, a deal with India, I reported on a few days ago, and Mazzer dismissed as me picking on scary headlines, is getting closer to being signed by the UK governmet, well, both governments, India’s and UK’s, but the main diffrence is that UK’s government stance, seems to be “softening” ( capitulation is the correct word I should have used) towards India’s proposals.

Listen carefully to the audio and consider carefully its likely impact on our wages:

More Humiliating Brexit Deals Coming Our Way

It will be difficult to know what any future government will be able to do to deal with the brexit trade mess that Boris Johnson and Liz Truss will leave in their wake. Truss has recently been talking about a trade deal with Australia that is heavily in favour of Australia, and a trade deal with India that will mean making it easier for Indian citizens to live and work in the UK. Not quite what the brexit gammons thought they were getting.

youtube.com/watch?v=jGpVe10sHjY

Whichever way you look, it’s disaster, all because of Brexit.

From Sky News:

Former Northern Ireland Secretary, Lord Peter Hain, says that the biggest failure of the DUP and Arlene Foster was ‘hitching it’s wagon to Brexit’.

Lord Hain said that Boris Johnson was not honest with Mrs Foster about pledges of no-Brexit border down the Irish Sea, and that she was ‘taken in by it’.

The deal signed with the European Union to facilitate free-trade between GB and NI has since caused problems people living in the province, and for the DUP.

youtube.com/watch?v=kgNkdNYrhBw

Asking Boris Jo, to be a “proper prime minister” and stop talking about building physical bridges to NI?
He is the proper prime minister, all previous labour supporters voted for him, and they would still vote for him, as Hartlepool byelection indicated.

I have the resident lunatic on my foe list so can not see his posts. He inane drivel is no longer my reading material.

I hope it was true MsGyorkie, but we both know it isn’t, you are still reading what I post with great interest.
Where else if not from me, you would you be getting your facts about Brexit.

…but , lets get back to business.
This is a very interesting summary, comparision of how the UK economy is doing post Brexit as compared to our main competitors in the EU.
Very interesting material:

Separating Brexit Impacts from Covid Pandemic

With brexit trade losses occuring in the middle of a global pandemic, Boris Johnson is seeking to blame the pandemic rather than his extreme tory brexit for our trade losses. But how can be separate out the economic impact of brexit from the pandemic?

youtube.com/watch?v=yknea5mmA8M

FFS

youtube.com/watch?v=0AEj3LA2vSo

Franglais:
And?.. over to you RR.

Me? :neutral_face:
You know what mate,.I’m just going to remain an aghast spectator on this, with the occasional mischievious ‘prodding the bear’ type post (or prodding the resident lunatic as somebody has just unkindly described him :laughing: .)

I’ve accused you Franglais a couple of times on here of bordering on the obsessive, but I take it back mate :slight_smile: this guy knocks you into a cocked hat, you’re an amateur compared to him…his rants and fanatical obsession (sorry to keep using that word but it just fits him) amuse me and amaze me at the same time. : :smiley:

It’s like watching a football game, not liking the result, and spending the next 12 months dissecting every free kick corner, and offside move …it just ain’t the actions of somebody level headed, and all the examples are going to change Jack Sh at the end of the day.
So I’ll leave it to you and your mate, the Batman and Robin of Brexit.to carry on for the next 10 pages, I’ll maybe contribute again when I get bored. :wink:

Mazzer2:

Franglais:
Further to the video on Spain, here is one from VOA,
youtu.be/BmFRITjPGLA.
.
Future UK retirees who would otherwise have gone to Spain will now stay in the UK.
At the same time we are trying to stop foreign workers from entering the UK.
.
So more elderly residents here, using UK facilities rather than Spanish ones.
Fewer younger workers arriving here to work and pay taxes.
More people in our Social and Health care systems, with fewer to pay for them and work in them.
.
Anyway RobRoy said he would remind me about the Brexit result?
Remind me how the vote went then?
.
And how the “easiest trade agreement in history” went?
How did the “all ups, no downside” turn out?
Is “frictionless trade” frictionless?
Is Northern Ireland as promised? What is the current result there?
How are the UK import checks, put off until April 1st, working out?
.
What results do you want to remind me of?
.
HKLOSS is correct, you won the Brexit vote.
And?.. over to you RR.

Of the retirees in Spain how many come back to use the NHS when ill? In 2016 a woman on a radio show in Ireland said the biggest problem for her with Brexit was it may stop her using the NHS, she had lived in Ireland for over 20 years, so good chance that expats are already using the NHS, or the expats who school their children in the UK. In the main UK expats are among the most odius goup of people you can meet they don’t intergrate and expect the UK to still support them while sitting there saying what a kip the UK is and wouldn’t want to live there as it’s too full of foreigners :open_mouth: I think most people find it amusing the position these people are now in, if they were legitimate then they’ll have no problems but for the many who aren’t tough.

No one is stopping workers coming into the UK the difference now is that it is not a free for all. If you caught a ferry out of Calais on a Friday night prior to Brexit you would see the bus loads of Romanians and Bulgarians coming in, nothing wrong in principle except unlike when the initial immigration came from Poland etc it was young workers the Ro and BG are whole families so Grandma, parents and then 3 or 4 children explain what economic benefit they bring? Working in scam car washes etc. Last week on the ferry a classic example a Ro or Bg family grandma, two parents 4 children the eldest of which was pregnant unless he’s going to be a high level tax payer no benefit at all to the UK.

To you and Hkloss it is all about trade but that is not the be all and end all, trade will sort itself out I’ll let you publish March’s trade figures with the EU surprised you haven’t done it already but then seeing as they are about a billion shy of December 2020 figures not so newsworthy!
The UK was totally unprepared for the introduction of free movement and that was the fault of the government at the time not the EU, remember the figure from Labour only around 13,000 are expected to come :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: UK business took advantage of the cheap labour and didn’t invest in technology hence despite the influx of people GDP is down despite the economy doing reasonably well, people did not see the benefit any surprise that when given the chance they voted for change. Where was the consultation for all this change? Remember the promised referendum by Blair on the Lisbon treaty what happened to that? The EU is on a drive for closer and closer intergration some of us didn’t want that and every crisis is an excuse for more intergration instead of trying to solve the cause of the crisis and prevent it from happening again. The appointment of VDL being classic EU politicking rather than appointing a capable person able to do the job a deal was done to keep the two major powers happy. If someone asked you for a job and their CV showed that they had failed in their last two major roles would you give them the job?

Lots of interesting points. And I really like your literary construction too: the serious stuff followed by a few sentences of high humour. Excellent laugh!

Those who have worked in the UK all their lives have earned the right to NHS care whenever they want havent they? Isnt it the UK that picks up the tab if they are treated in their new place of residence? In the future, due to means testing, and curtailment of freedom of movement, fewer may be leaving our shores soon, so we can expect more use for our NHS, instead of sub-contracting care out to other countries.
Is health care dearer here or Spain I wonder? Since the NHS is paying for it wherever it is taken, isnt it better in a cheaper less strained place? As many who were planning on retiring abroad wont be able to, we will see over the coming years.

Ex-Pats schooling their children in the UK? Do you mean non-UK tax payers with kids in state schools? I`d be surprised if that is happening, and be very against it.

Workers in scam car washes? A clear case for the UK authorities to take an active role and stop them. They are not exactly un-noticable are they? And a good case for those using them to query how they can be legit, and report them, stop using them, and stop feeding them.
Would accept that we live in a type of capitalist system that is effectively a Ponzi scheme? It survive it needs new workers all the time. We need new labour.
You say you arent against immigrant workers. You say you have no respect for UK ex pats who dont integrate in their host country.
You seem though to object to those who bring their families here with them? Do you only want workers here to work, live in lodging and send their earning to families abroad? Do we want young single men working to take, and having no long term future plans?
Many new immigrants take lower paid jobs. They may not be high tax payers, but they are the essential foundation upon which we all depend. They often need more than one job in our expensive cities with shortages of housing etc. A grand-parent makes for a free baby sitter so Mum and Dad can both work. A family makes for a more stable citizen. Children properly educated will integrate easier, and they too will become good citizens.

More to it than just money?
I totally agree.

Franglais:

Mazzer2:

Franglais:
Further to the video on Spain, here is one from VOA,
youtu.be/BmFRITjPGLA.
.
Future UK retirees who would otherwise have gone to Spain will now stay in the UK.
At the same time we are trying to stop foreign workers from entering the UK.
.
So more elderly residents here, using UK facilities rather than Spanish ones.
Fewer younger workers arriving here to work and pay taxes.
More people in our Social and Health care systems, with fewer to pay for them and work in them.
.
Anyway RobRoy said he would remind me about the Brexit result?
Remind me how the vote went then?
.
And how the “easiest trade agreement in history” went?
How did the “all ups, no downside” turn out?
Is “frictionless trade” frictionless?
Is Northern Ireland as promised? What is the current result there?
How are the UK import checks, put off until April 1st, working out?
.
What results do you want to remind me of?
.
HKLOSS is correct, you won the Brexit vote.
And?.. over to you RR.

Of the retirees in Spain how many come back to use the NHS when ill? In 2016 a woman on a radio show in Ireland said the biggest problem for her with Brexit was it may stop her using the NHS, she had lived in Ireland for over 20 years, so good chance that expats are already using the NHS, or the expats who school their children in the UK. In the main UK expats are among the most odius goup of people you can meet they don’t intergrate and expect the UK to still support them while sitting there saying what a kip the UK is and wouldn’t want to live there as it’s too full of foreigners :open_mouth: I think most people find it amusing the position these people are now in, if they were legitimate then they’ll have no problems but for the many who aren’t tough.

No one is stopping workers coming into the UK the difference now is that it is not a free for all. If you caught a ferry out of Calais on a Friday night prior to Brexit you would see the bus loads of Romanians and Bulgarians coming in, nothing wrong in principle except unlike when the initial immigration came from Poland etc it was young workers the Ro and BG are whole families so Grandma, parents and then 3 or 4 children explain what economic benefit they bring? Working in scam car washes etc. Last week on the ferry a classic example a Ro or Bg family grandma, two parents 4 children the eldest of which was pregnant unless he’s going to be a high level tax payer no benefit at all to the UK.

To you and Hkloss it is all about trade but that is not the be all and end all, trade will sort itself out I’ll let you publish March’s trade figures with the EU surprised you haven’t done it already but then seeing as they are about a billion shy of December 2020 figures not so newsworthy!
The UK was totally unprepared for the introduction of free movement and that was the fault of the government at the time not the EU, remember the figure from Labour only around 13,000 are expected to come :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: UK business took advantage of the cheap labour and didn’t invest in technology hence despite the influx of people GDP is down despite the economy doing reasonably well, people did not see the benefit any surprise that when given the chance they voted for change. Where was the consultation for all this change? Remember the promised referendum by Blair on the Lisbon treaty what happened to that? The EU is on a drive for closer and closer intergration some of us didn’t want that and every crisis is an excuse for more intergration instead of trying to solve the cause of the crisis and prevent it from happening again. The appointment of VDL being classic EU politicking rather than appointing a capable person able to do the job a deal was done to keep the two major powers happy. If someone asked you for a job and their CV showed that they had failed in their last two major roles would you give them the job?

Lots of interesting points. And I really like your literary construction too: the serious stuff followed by a few sentences of high humour. Excellent laugh!

Those who have worked in the UK all their lives have earned the right to NHS care whenever they want havent they? Isnt it the UK that picks up the tab if they are treated in their new place of residence? In the future, due to means testing, and curtailment of freedom of movement, fewer may be leaving our shores soon, so we can expect more use for our NHS, instead of sub-contracting care out to other countries.
Is health care dearer here or Spain I wonder? Since the NHS is paying for it wherever it is taken, isnt it better in a cheaper less strained place? As many who were planning on retiring abroad wont be able to, we will see over the coming years.

And the expats who eave in the 20’s and 30’s yet have lifelong access to the NHS?
Ex-Pats schooling their children in the UK? Do you mean non-UK tax payers with kids in state schools? Id be surprised if that is happening, and be very against it. Have mentioned before about the French expat who said she would not school her children in France and leaves them with the grandparents during term time Workers in scam car washes? A clear case for the UK authorities to take an active role and stop them. They are not exactly un-noticable are they? And a good case for those using them to query how they can be legit, and report them, stop using them, and stop feeding them. Would accept that we live in a type of capitalist system that is effectively a Ponzi scheme? It survive it needs new workers all the time. We need new labour. You say you arent against immigrant workers. You say you have no respect for UK ex pats who don`t integrate in their host country.
You seem though to object to those who bring their families here with them? Do you only want workers here to work, live in lodging and send their earning to families abroad? Do we want young single men working to take, and having no long term future plans?
Many new immigrants take lower paid jobs. They may not be high tax payers, but they are the essential foundation upon which we all depend. They often need more than one job in our expensive cities with shortages of housing etc. A grand-parent makes for a free baby sitter so Mum and Dad can both work. A family makes for a more stable citizen. Children properly educated will integrate easier, and they too will become good citizens.

Pro free for all immigration always talk about the economic benefits explain the economic benefit of a family of seven soon to be eight? £15000 a year in school costs and £2348 average cost to the NHS for a birth that is some deficit they are starting from try going to the USA, Canada or Australia in that postion and getting a visa. I know you will come back that we have our own people who contribute very little but that doesn’t mean we have to import others in the same position
More to it than just money?
I totally agree.

We need a proper system that allows people in on a needs basis as happens in other countries, car washing or selling the Big Issue will probably never be on that list, already there is quite a noticable rise in wages for driving now there is no longer a ready supply of drivers prepared to work for lower rates.

Mazzer2:

Franglais:

Mazzer2:

Franglais:
Further to the video on Spain, here is one from VOA,
youtu.be/BmFRITjPGLA.
.
Future UK retirees who would otherwise have gone to Spain will now stay in the UK.
At the same time we are trying to stop foreign workers from entering the UK.
.
So more elderly residents here, using UK facilities rather than Spanish ones.
Fewer younger workers arriving here to work and pay taxes.
More people in our Social and Health care systems, with fewer to pay for them and work in them.
.
Anyway RobRoy said he would remind me about the Brexit result?
Remind me how the vote went then?
.
And how the “easiest trade agreement in history” went?
How did the “all ups, no downside” turn out?
Is “frictionless trade” frictionless?
Is Northern Ireland as promised? What is the current result there?
How are the UK import checks, put off until April 1st, working out?
.
What results do you want to remind me of?
.
HKLOSS is correct, you won the Brexit vote.
And?.. over to you RR.

Of the retirees in Spain how many come back to use the NHS when ill? In 2016 a woman on a radio show in Ireland said the biggest problem for her with Brexit was it may stop her using the NHS, she had lived in Ireland for over 20 years, so good chance that expats are already using the NHS, or the expats who school their children in the UK. In the main UK expats are among the most odius goup of people you can meet they don’t intergrate and expect the UK to still support them while sitting there saying what a kip the UK is and wouldn’t want to live there as it’s too full of foreigners :open_mouth: I think most people find it amusing the position these people are now in, if they were legitimate then they’ll have no problems but for the many who aren’t tough.

No one is stopping workers coming into the UK the difference now is that it is not a free for all. If you caught a ferry out of Calais on a Friday night prior to Brexit you would see the bus loads of Romanians and Bulgarians coming in, nothing wrong in principle except unlike when the initial immigration came from Poland etc it was young workers the Ro and BG are whole families so Grandma, parents and then 3 or 4 children explain what economic benefit they bring? Working in scam car washes etc. Last week on the ferry a classic example a Ro or Bg family grandma, two parents 4 children the eldest of which was pregnant unless he’s going to be a high level tax payer no benefit at all to the UK.

To you and Hkloss it is all about trade but that is not the be all and end all, trade will sort itself out I’ll let you publish March’s trade figures with the EU surprised you haven’t done it already but then seeing as they are about a billion shy of December 2020 figures not so newsworthy!
The UK was totally unprepared for the introduction of free movement and that was the fault of the government at the time not the EU, remember the figure from Labour only around 13,000 are expected to come [emoji38] [emoji38] [emoji38] UK business took advantage of the cheap labour and didn’t invest in technology hence despite the influx of people GDP is down despite the economy doing reasonably well, people did not see the benefit any surprise that when given the chance they voted for change. Where was the consultation for all this change? Remember the promised referendum by Blair on the Lisbon treaty what happened to that? The EU is on a drive for closer and closer intergration some of us didn’t want that and every crisis is an excuse for more intergration instead of trying to solve the cause of the crisis and prevent it from happening again. The appointment of VDL being classic EU politicking rather than appointing a capable person able to do the job a deal was done to keep the two major powers happy. If someone asked you for a job and their CV showed that they had failed in their last two major roles would you give them the job?

Lots of interesting points. And I really like your literary construction too: the serious stuff followed by a few sentences of high humour. Excellent laugh!

Those who have worked in the UK all their lives have earned the right to NHS care whenever they want havent they? Isnt it the UK that picks up the tab if they are treated in their new place of residence? In the future, due to means testing, and curtailment of freedom of movement, fewer may be leaving our shores soon, so we can expect more use for our NHS, instead of sub-contracting care out to other countries.
Is health care dearer here or Spain I wonder? Since the NHS is paying for it wherever it is taken, isnt it better in a cheaper less strained place? As many who were planning on retiring abroad wont be able to, we will see over the coming years.

And the expats who eave in the 20’s and 30’s yet have lifelong access to the NHS?
Ex-Pats schooling their children in the UK? Do you mean non-UK tax payers with kids in state schools? Id be surprised if that is happening, and be very against it. Have mentioned before about the French expat who said she would not school her children in France and leaves them with the grandparents during term time Workers in scam car washes? A clear case for the UK authorities to take an active role and stop them. They are not exactly un-noticable are they? And a good case for those using them to query how they can be legit, and report them, stop using them, and stop feeding them. Would accept that we live in a type of capitalist system that is effectively a Ponzi scheme? It survive it needs new workers all the time. We need new labour. You say you arent against immigrant workers. You say you have no respect for UK ex pats who don`t integrate in their host country.
You seem though to object to those who bring their families here with them? Do you only want workers here to work, live in lodging and send their earning to families abroad? Do we want young single men working to take, and having no long term future plans?
Many new immigrants take lower paid jobs. They may not be high tax payers, but they are the essential foundation upon which we all depend. They often need more than one job in our expensive cities with shortages of housing etc. A grand-parent makes for a free baby sitter so Mum and Dad can both work. A family makes for a more stable citizen. Children properly educated will integrate easier, and they too will become good citizens.

Pro free for all immigration always talk about the economic benefits explain the economic benefit of a family of seven soon to be eight? £15000 a year in school costs and £2348 average cost to the NHS for a birth that is some deficit they are starting from try going to the USA, Canada or Australia in that postion and getting a visa. I know you will come back that we have our own people who contribute very little but that doesn’t mean we have to import others in the same position
More to it than just money?
I totally agree.

We need a proper system that allows people in on a needs basis as happens in other countries, car washing or selling the Big Issue will probably never be on that list, already there is quite a noticable rise in wages for driving now there is no longer a ready supply of drivers prepared to work for lower rates.

If wages for drivers are rising here, arent they rising in EU too?
Fewer young drivers are interested in distance work all over Europe.
iru.org/resources/newsroom/ … Uzbekistan.
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The oft talked of driver shortage is not a uniquely UK issue and was around before Brexit.
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I had a conversation with a Gendarme about the clandestines in France trying to get to the UK. He reckoned it was because of the UK grey economy. Less chance of work for illegals in other countries than the UK.
I agree there may well be a problem with car washes, nail bars etc here. But is that a UK or EU problem? Have other EU countries had the same issues?

I didnt see the bits Mazzer had embedded in my post straightaway. NHS access for ex-pats, from NHS site: [nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/health ... 20register](https://www.nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/healthcare-abroad/moving-abroad/planning-your-healthcare/#:~:text=If%20you're%20moving%20abroad,removed%20from%20the%20NHS%20register). "If you're moving abroad on a permanent basis, you'll no longer automatically be entitled to medical treatment under normal NHS rules." So, those who leave the UK at 25 etc dont retain rights.
If someone is cheating the system by claiming kids are resident when they aren`t then they are cheats.
I have never said I am in favour of free for all migration. I do say many of the arguments you use are over simplified.

hkloss1:
Finally, a deal with India, I reported on a few days ago, and Mazzer dismissed as me picking on scary headlines, is getting closer to being signed by the UK governmet, well, both governments, India’s and UK’s, but the main diffrence is that UK’s government stance, seems to be “softening” ( capitulation is the correct word I should have used) towards India’s proposals.

Listen carefully to the audio and consider carefully its likely impact on our wages:

More Humiliating Brexit Deals Coming Our Way

It will be difficult to know what any future government will be able to do to deal with the brexit trade mess that Boris Johnson and Liz Truss will leave in their wake. Truss has recently been talking about a trade deal with Australia that is heavily in favour of Australia, and a trade deal with India that will mean making it easier for Indian citizens to live and work in the UK. Not quite what the brexit gammons thought they were getting.

youtube.com/watch?v=jGpVe10sHjY

Give a good source of the DFTA from Australia then, excuse the FTA, between UK and Australia is beneficiary to both parties, please give a factual source where the UK won’t get any form of rewards from a FTA … your talking nonsense… I don’t want to here from pro remain or leave rags, official sources.or .gov or .gov.au etc …

Franglais:
I didnt see the bits Mazzer had embedded in my post straightaway. NHS access for ex-pats, from NHS site: [nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/health ... 20register](https://www.nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/healthcare-abroad/moving-abroad/planning-your-healthcare/#:~:text=If%20you're%20moving%20abroad,removed%20from%20the%20NHS%20register). "If you're moving abroad on a permanent basis, you'll no longer automatically be entitled to medical treatment under normal NHS rules." So, those who leave the UK at 25 etc dont retain rights.
If someone is cheating the system by claiming kids are resident when they aren`t then they are cheats.
I have never said I am in favour of free for all migration. I do say many of the arguments you use are over simplified.

Let’s, give a couple of facts to rebuff the drivel you speak of Australia, the immigration system is based on points, and yes, one person, example a hairdresser, can do an application get A TRN, and put her or his spouse on the application as well as children under 18 at time of said application…if successful, for a 175 what we were on ( or whatever it is now)… then you are vetted medical and given a perm resident visa… checkable of VEVO … upon arrival, you go to the local Medicare office, and get a Medicare card and all get public health system from day 1 here in Australia … with out paying 1 cent tax towards it … persons are not entitled to unemployment payments for 2 years unless under special circumstances … as soon as the CaNUK is in place then brits seems likely to be coming over visa free to live and work here … as per Federal ministers want… oh, if you come for a holiday, all you need to do is show a UK passport and you get free treatment in public hospitals … fact, my mate hurt his leg on my motorcycle and was treated free, and got a temp Medicare card for remained of his holiday … there are also other perks etc …

discoman:

Franglais:
I didnt see the bits Mazzer had embedded in my post straightaway. NHS access for ex-pats, from NHS site: [nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/health ... 20register](https://www.nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/healthcare-abroad/moving-abroad/planning-your-healthcare/#:~:text=If%20you're%20moving%20abroad,removed%20from%20the%20NHS%20register). "If you're moving abroad on a permanent basis, you'll no longer automatically be entitled to medical treatment under normal NHS rules." So, those who leave the UK at 25 etc dont retain rights.
If someone is cheating the system by claiming kids are resident when they aren`t then they are cheats.
I have never said I am in favour of free for all migration. I do say many of the arguments you use are over simplified.

Let’s, give a couple of facts to rebuff the drivel you speak of Australia, the immigration system is based on points, and yes, one person, example a hairdresser, can do an application get A TRN, and put her or his spouse on the application as well as children under 18 at time of said application…if successful, for a 175 what we were on ( or whatever it is now)… then you are vetted medical and given a perm resident visa… checkable of VEVO … upon arrival, you go to the local Medicare office, and get a Medicare card and all get public health system from day 1 here in Australia … with out paying 1 cent tax towards it … persons are not entitled to unemployment payments for 2 years unless under special circumstances … as soon as the CaNUK is in place then brits seems likely to be coming over visa free to live and work here … as per Federal ministers want… oh, if you come for a holiday, all you need to do is show a UK passport and you get free treatment in public hospitals … fact, my mate hurt his leg on my motorcycle and was treated free, and got a temp Medicare card for remained of his holiday … there are also other perks etc …

If you want to accuse me of talking drivel, fine. “Carry On…”
But at least try to get the subject matter correct. No mention of Australia in the quoted post, nor anywhere else recently.

Ed The stuff in red in Mazzer`s reply to me talking about Aus was him, not me. Check the original post if you like.