Franglais:
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The current UK points system for immigration ensures that only well paid jobs go to foreigners. No immigrants can come in to do cheap manual work.
Why educate or train someone from here to do a job, when you can import a ready to go immigrant? Hey, good business sense.
Why is looking after people from the UK first seen as such a bad thing?
Franglais:
tmcassett:
Franglais:
Pull up the drawbridge? What does that mean?
Just stop (or heavily tax) foreign holidays for UK citizens? Or put higher taxes on all UK trade?
So:
Increase the price of all imports for UK consumers.
Increase the price of foreign hols for UK citizens.
Increase the price of exports so we sell less and balance of payments get worse?
Or stop all imports?
We import 45% of our food…
Pull up the drawbridge = InsanityRecruit more Customs etc.
Well we already have. Maybe we should recruit more. And the private sector should recruit more clerks to process the documents needed. That has happened, so even more?
More taxes to pay for all these extra civil servants.
More overheads for companies to employ more clerks, who actually produce nothing extra, means everything costs more.
So, we take home less pay and pay more for goods = InsanityWhy is all the world looking for free trade deals?
Why does this gov shout when they get a new one? (no matter how dud it really is)
Why is leaving a massive free trade zone on our doorstep a good thing? InsanityMake free speech and the right to speak against the Gov of the day a criminal offence?
It is going that way already. People are being arrested for being in possession of a piece of string!
Creeping totalitarianism.
Insanity.You get yourself ■■■■■■■ in knots and seriously wound up and angry with all this stuff and that’s fine, you can do as you please. But you fail to understand that most people aren’t interested in a lot of the above such as trade deals, customs protocols etc, largely because at ground level most of those things won’t actually have a “noticeable” difference or affect in their day to lives in the way that say, uncontrolled mass immigration has or the ability to govern and manage our own rules and laws that put the people of “this” country first. Those are the sort of things people care about and were hoping for when voting for Brexit, I said it on one of the other threads (possibly the Immigration one) but there has been a narrative out there for along time now that putting the interests of the UK and it’s people first is seen as a bad thing for some reason and it baffles me. The word patriotic is seen as a dirty word.
I get “■■■■■■■ in knots and angry” Really?
Can you see me on a spy camera?
Or are you yet another expert psychiatrist who can diagnose patients remotely?
I don`t believe the first, but suspect you might actually believe the second!Are people interested in the details of trade deals? I agree they aren`t.
They are interested in the results of those deals. And the suggestions of Winseer and agreed by you, is to increase the taxes they pay and increase the costs of their food, holidays etc. Looks to me like those are things in everyday life.
Brexit was sold to do away with Brussels red tape. It has meant increased red tape and costs. Increased transport delays and transport costs.Do you reckon that is all worth it to somehow rule ourselves better?
How so?
Up until 2016 the UK voted contrary to EU on 2% of occasions…Two per cent.
fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-be … influence/
Since 2016 we voted contrary to the EU once that I can find. And that was to oppose extra safety rules for workers against carcinogens.
publications.parliament.uk/pa/c … 0grid%20(1%20(1)%20(002).pdf
We just had to be forced by those nasty foreigners to look after the workers didn`t we? What a disaster! (p 19)As part of the EU we had a say in their standards for foods and goods. Now we have none. Does that matter?
Well, anyone wanting to sell in the EU still has to comply to those rules. Which is just about all the major food companies.
They could set up two production lines, one for UK one for EU, but why would they increase their costs? Nope, we are no longer law makers, now we are law takers.
What of the new deals? Aus and NZ? We accept their goods on their terms. Their farmers can produce meat with lower welfare standards, and so lower costs than UK farmers. Not everyone in the UK works on a farm, and maybe none of your mates do so you don`t care, but that is bad news for the UK. Unfair competition means less food produced here and more dependence on suppliers we have no influence over.
Insanity.The current UK points system for immigration ensures that only well paid jobs go to foreigners. No immigrants can come in to do cheap manual work.
Why educate or train someone from here to do a job, when you can import a ready to go immigrant? Hey, good business sense.
The whole point of Brexit was to wean ourselves OFF Foreign Imports outright, including importing cheap labour.
Go to any FARM in this country - and tell me that the people living in the “Sheds with Beds” are not mostly EEs doing what conveniently counts as “Skilled Work” when it suits the EU, and it being “Unskilled Work” when it comes to UK citizens not being arsed to do such work themselves…
I spent 15 months carting Produce out of farms during the lockdown, and the only UK-born people I saw there - were the Farmer/Landowner and the immediate family thereof…
The EU has been quick to remove our presence in the EU parliament (seeing as Farage had a majority there at the time…) but have been very slow to release us from EU laws, EU rules, and of course the ECHR which ties BOTH proverbial hands behind our backs, compared to only having one such hand tied behind our back before Brexit…
Our Establishment have gone to every length possible - to make us poorer, to regret Brexit. All it is doing though, is making Remainers hate Brexiteers (because they believe this big lie) and making Brexiteers more the angrier for denying us a proper brexit that we originally voted for.
Drawbridge UP
tmcassett:
Franglais:
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The current UK points system for immigration ensures that only well paid jobs go to foreigners. No immigrants can come in to do cheap manual work.
Why educate or train someone from here to do a job, when you can import a ready to go immigrant? Hey, good business sense.Why is looking after people from the UK first seen as such a bad thing?
If you try to do something, and get ignored - you need to get more assertive about getting it done instead.
This requires ENFORCEMENT where there are penalties for doing the wrong thing.
How many illegals have been jailed along with the “Trafficers” that brought them here?
Where’s all the “Apprenticeship” places the Government promised us?
Why is it that Foreigners can afford to go to our universities, pay our extortionate accommodation rents, but local GIFTED UK-Born Students including those of colour - cannot afford to do anything, without taking an outside job whilst at University?
If you reward people for doing the wrong thing, and don’t reward them for doing the right thing - guess what?
Human nature - being what it is - more and more people are going to find the “Get-arounds” as time goes on.
It isn’t “Public Spending” on “Infrastructure” our sucessive governments have been spending money on - it is “Grants” and “Untrackable Funds” to people who then export it elsewhere, rather than plough it back into the economy, here in Britain.
If you do the wrong thing, then you should be punished in law for acting thus, NOT paid even more money to get “Legal Aid” or “housed in Travelodge” rather than INSTANTLY deported.
Skippers of “Small Boats” should have their boats impounded, and the skippers themselves held on remand - until they agree to pay a punative fine for each and every illegal they had on board - like we Truckers do if we get pulled by Plod at Clacket Lane with a trailer full of Non-EU citizens trampling all over our paid-for Fruit and Veg on back… - Or isn’t even THAT being enforced anymore these days?
tmcassett:
Franglais:
I get “■■■■■■■ in knots and angry” Really?
Can you see me on a spy camera?Don’t need too, I’ve read enough of your posts on the subject where you have had a meltdown.
Got to.say I’ve never ever known of anybody outside of the world of politics who gets so engrossed or het up about all this stuff. 
If I was as preoccupied or felt as strongly as Frangers about all this crap, I’d be putting myself forward as a candidate,.rather than be an armchair politician,.because for all the frustration, bile and shear anger that constajtly comes out of him, there is absolutely the far end of f/all he can do about anything sat behind the wheel of a ■■■■ truck.
Here ya go, for a vote winning slogan…
‘‘Embrace the anger vote for Frangers’’ 
I may even run against him…‘Don’t be a knob, vote for Rob’'.
Sorry 
…I really need to take all this stuff more seriously. 
tmcassett:
Franglais:
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The current UK points system for immigration ensures that only well paid jobs go to foreigners. No immigrants can come in to do cheap manual work.
Why educate or train someone from here to do a job, when you can import a ready to go immigrant? Hey, good business sense.Why is looking after people from the UK first seen as such a bad thing?
It’s the lefty Labour way, and if you dare to mention foreigners in a derogatory way, especially when connected to anything Brexit related, apparently you are a racist. 
robroy:
^^^^^^^^OK.
Btw that last sentence,.are you referring to me or is it your new signature.
Maybe should be ‘The Fox and SOUR grapes’…more apt for you.
tmcassett:
Franglais:
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The current UK points system for immigration ensures that only well paid jobs go to foreigners. No immigrants can come in to do cheap manual work.
Why educate or train someone from here to do a job, when you can import a ready to go immigrant? Hey, good business sense.Why is looking after people from the UK first seen as such a bad thing?
Because he is not British or has some kind of hatred for us?
robroy:
tmcassett:
Franglais:
I get “■■■■■■■ in knots and angry” Really?
Can you see me on a spy camera?Don’t need too, I’ve read enough of your posts on the subject where you have had a meltdown.
Got to.say I’ve never ever known of anybody outside of the world of politics who gets so engrossed or het up about all this stuff.
If I was as preoccupied or felt as strongly as Frangers about all this crap, I’d be putting myself forward as a candidate,.rather than be an armchair politician,.because for all the frustration, bile and shear anger that constajtly comes out of him, there is absolutely the far end of f/all he can do about anything sat behind the wheel of a [zb] truck.
Here ya go, for a vote winning slogan…
‘‘Embrace the anger vote for Frangers’’I may even run against him…‘Don’t be a knob, vote for Rob’'.
Sorry
He probably never says any of this out loud pal, he has the keyboard skills but not the verbal nerve or intelligence outside of google for his responses on any political stage or even his local social club, I guarantee it…
I bet he has note pads and sticky notes all over his pc or phone full of this remainiac tripe going back to 2016.
robroy:
tmcassett:
Why is looking after people from the UK first seen as such a bad thing?It’s the lefty Labour way, and if you dare to mention foreigners in a derogatory way, especially when connected to anything Brexit related, apparently you are a racist.
I’ve never understood why in the UK wanting the best for your own people first leaves you open to being a racist, bigot, small minded etc. I’m envious of countries like the USA/Canada and Australia who have strong immigration policies and it’s residents are extremely proud and patriotic towards their nations. I don’t see everyone rushing to label their citizens the same as we get here in the UK for having that opinion.
robroy:
Here ya go, for a vote winning slogan…
‘‘Embrace the anger vote for Frangers’’I may even run against him…‘Don’t be a knob, vote for Rob’'.
Sorry
Brilliant. 
Although I think you have too much time on your hands to think this stuff up.
tmcassett:
robroy:
tmcassett:
Why is looking after people from the UK first seen as such a bad thing?It’s the lefty Labour way, and if you dare to mention foreigners in a derogatory way, especially when connected to anything Brexit related, apparently you are a racist.
I’ve never understood why in the UK wanting the best for your own people first leaves you open to being a racist, bigot, small minded etc. I’m envious of countries like the USA/Canada and Australia who have strong immigration policies and it’s residents are extremely proud and patriotic towards their nations. I don’t see everyone rushing to label their citizens the same as we get here in the UK for having that opinion.
Haha, the USA, Canada and Australia are nearly all immigrants and the indigenous people have been treated appallingly.
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Munchkin:
tmcassett:
robroy:
tmcassett:
Why is looking after people from the UK first seen as such a bad thing?It’s the lefty Labour way, and if you dare to mention foreigners in a derogatory way, especially when connected to anything Brexit related, apparently you are a racist.
I’ve never understood why in the UK wanting the best for your own people first leaves you open to being a racist, bigot, small minded etc. I’m envious of countries like the USA/Canada and Australia who have strong immigration policies and it’s residents are extremely proud and patriotic towards their nations. I don’t see everyone rushing to label their citizens the same as we get here in the UK for having that opinion.
Haha, the USA, Canada and Australia are nearly all immigrants and the indigenous people have been treated appallingly.
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I’m talking about the modern civilised world we inhabit and know today, not history from 300 years ago when the world was a different place, as was life as we know it now.
tmcassett:
robroy:
Here ya go, for a vote winning slogan…
‘‘Embrace the anger vote for Frangers’’I may even run against him…‘Don’t be a knob, vote for Rob’'.
Sorry
Brilliant.
You’d be amazed at some of the sh that goes through my mind,.I even surprise myself sometimes. .
Rather surprised at the lack of self awareness of many on this thread.
Suggesting that defending a point of view is obsessive, when that is exactly what they themselves are doing. Entering a discussion on a subject and slagging off that subject!
robroy:
You’d be amazed at some of the sh that goes through my mind,
Not at all amazed, you write enough of it down.
Narc:
He probably never says any of this out loud pal, he has the keyboard skills but not the verbal nerve or intelligence outside of google for his responses on any political stage or even his local social club, I guarantee it…
I bet he has note pads and sticky notes all over his pc or phone full of this remainiac tripe going back to 2016.
So apart from being a psychiatrist and diagnosing patients without meeting them, you have the ability to guarantee thing about my verbal skills?
Incredible. Literally incredible.
tmcassett:
Franglais:
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The current UK points system for immigration ensures that only well paid jobs go to foreigners. No immigrants can come in to do cheap manual work.
Why educate or train someone from here to do a job, when you can import a ready to go immigrant? Hey, good business sense.Why is looking after people from the UK first seen as such a bad thing?
It isn`t a bad thing. No one has said it is.
But the current laws encourage companies to recruit from abroad for skilled jobs rather than train up UK citizens!
robroy:
tmcassett:
Franglais:
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The current UK points system for immigration ensures that only well paid jobs go to foreigners. No immigrants can come in to do cheap manual work.
Why educate or train someone from here to do a job, when you can import a ready to go immigrant? Hey, good business sense.Why is looking after people from the UK first seen as such a bad thing?
It’s the lefty Labour way, and if you dare to mention foreigners in a derogatory way, especially when connected to anything Brexit related, apparently you are a racist.
Lumping “foreigners” together into one group is pretty much the definition of racism.
Narc:
tmcassett:
Franglais:
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The current UK points system for immigration ensures that only well paid jobs go to foreigners. No immigrants can come in to do cheap manual work.
Why educate or train someone from here to do a job, when you can import a ready to go immigrant? Hey, good business sense.Why is looking after people from the UK first seen as such a bad thing?
Because he is not British or has some kind of hatred for us?
I`ve already told you my origins.
So, if I am not British that influences your opinion of me?
Pure undiluted racism.
Leftist argument
YOU’RE RACISTS.
tmcassett:
Franglais:
As part of the EU we had a say in their standards for foods and goods. Now we have none. Does that matter?
Well, anyone wanting to sell in the EU still has to comply to those rules. Which is just about all the major food companies.
They could set up two production lines, one for UK one for EU, but why would they increase their costs? Nope, we are no longer law makers, now we are law takers.
What of the new deals? Aus and NZ? We accept their goods on their terms. Their farmers can produce meat with lower welfare standards, and so lower costs than UK farmers. Not everyone in the UK works on a farm, and maybe none of your mates do so you don`t care, but that is bad news for the UK. Unfair competition means less food produced here and more dependence on suppliers we have no influence over.
Insanity.Again, you don’t like those things you have mentioned above, I suspect most people aren’t bothered in the slightest.
But again you ignore that those thing are directly responsible for making travel and food and living generally more expensive!
That is what people care about. Money and living
And Brexit and you and Winseer`s schemes are increasing that.
I have shown how, and you have said nothing to refute that.
Even Farage admits that Brexit isn`t working, but you keep defending it and even wanting more of the same!
Franglais:
Because he is not British or has some kind of hatred for us?
I`ve already told you my origins.
So, if I am not British that influences your opinion of me?
Pure undiluted racism.
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Narc:
Leftist argumentYOU’RE RACISTS.
If you base your opinion on someone`s race, then you are a racist.
Is that so hard to understand?