Brexit stuff in one place [MERGED]

OUT OF HOURS BULLY'S TRUCKSTOP BAR (INTERACTIVE)
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Harry Monk:

Franglais:
Hey ! We`ve got another new date for the next stage of Brexit: November 1st 2023.

From this date EU companies sending foods to the UK will have to supply “vet certifcates”.
This will be only the light touch at first, with stricter controls the following year?
Anyway it will mean EU exporters finding vets, and paying them for certification for all foods from the EU to the UK. It`ll be an extra cost for them which, we can assume will be passed on to the end consumer.
Well, those companies that can be arsed to do so; to export to one country with extra paperwork rather than 26 countries with no paperwork. If there are any supply shortages I wonder who will get first shout for the goods?

Then after that stage or two we have the re-negotiation of the ongoing trade agreement to look forward to in 2026. Much more work for civil servants paid for from our taxes.

It’s a shame the bulk of the eu wasn’t prepared to share the burden of the eastern bloc countries joining then, isn’t it? If they had, and hadn’t just left it to us to watch our wages stagnate for 20 years then we might not have voted to leave.

Bizarre.
The EU had a plan for the gradual integration of the new states. The UK under Blair decided to go a different route.
And it`s all their fault? They gave us too much freedom to make our own mistakes?!

But never mind the mistakes made by a Gov in 2004, how has the UK leaving the EU been of benefit?
Has it rectified that old error?
Has it made us better off?

“Compared to the pre-pandemic level, UK GDP in Q4 2022 was 0.6% lower. This compares with Eurozone GDP being 2.4% higher than its pre-pandemic level, while US GDP was 5.0% higher.”
“The IMF forecasts UK GDP to fall by 0.3% in 2023, the lowest figure in the G7, with growth of 1.0% in 2024.”
“The OECD forecasts UK GDP to fall by 0.2% in 2023, the lowest figure in the G7”
commonslibrary.parliament.uk/re … s/sn02784/

Because of a national decision you say we had a worse time of the ex East Blok joining the EU. How is giving ourselves an even worse future now going to do any good?
So after nearly 20 yrs, when the newer countries have risen in economic standing, when they are no longer the pool of cheap labour you have suggested; when we have “paid the price” and the new countries aren`t a drag any more…we give away everything we can gain in the future.
We have paid up front for a bigger more level marketplace, and then quit it. Crazy.

We have given up free, cheap, and easy access to a trading block next door.
Our exports and imports now need more bureaucracy and expense. So, our goods cost more abroad and are less competitive, and imports cost us all more.
We a big influence in setting the rules of that place. We now merely take those rules. Ask any manufacturer if having two sets of standards is a good or bad idea? Madness.

We hear of the brilliant new deals half way around the world: when transport costs are all rising steeply. We (again) are mere rule takers in these blocks. And we trade only in tiny amounts compared with what we have given up.
We have traded 2 birds in the hand for 1 in the bush. Insane.

We have given up rights to work and live freely in other countries. Stupid.

But hey we`ve gained…ummmm…what?
The right to import noisy and energy hungry vacuum cleaners from Korea
huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ … 69caa567e6

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So, in the interest of balance, and not always taking a UK centred viewpoint: a new YouTube showing some benefits of Brexit.
youtube.com/watch?v=hFZbJe_spBk

And after reading some of the comments, I found the “Digby Jones Index”.
Some very small, and some very big, job losses due to Brexit:
yorkshirebylines.co.uk/regular- … s-index-2/

Of course there have been UK jobs created by Brexit. Extra Civil Servants and private customs clerks and administrators. All being paid for either by our taxes, or by increased costs in production.
Even the darkest cloud has a silver lining for someone!

2526

Absolutely. My own silver lining is a 25% pay increase. Anyone else had one?

2527

the maoster:
Absolutely. My own silver lining is a 25% pay increase. Anyone else had one?

I’ve had more pay rises since Brexit than in any other period.
Surely can not be a coincidence, but I’ve gotta feeling somebody on here, no names :smiley: , is going to ■■■■ on my chips by putting a very negative spin on it. :laughing:

2528

No need to worry! According to Mr O’Leary (Ryanair) anyone over sixty who voted to leave will soon die and the youngsters will have us back into the EU pronto.

Mr O’Leary and others of his ilk always seem very keen to have us back in, I wonder why ■■?

Tyneside

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the maoster:
Absolutely. My own silver lining is a 25% pay increase. Anyone else had one?

Yep, had much more substantial rises in the last 2-3 years and also £3000 in driver retention bonus’s too - and our place does not struggle to recruit or retain staff, largely due to the job, hours and pay. Of course these pay rises are much less important than some of the other things the anti Brexit brigade constantly bang on about that we have supposedly lost or given up (sarcasm - as there is not a sarcasm emoji :smiley: )

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Franglais:
We have given up rights to work and live freely in other countries. Stupid.

But 95% of people won’t be bothered about that as they will have no intention of doing it anyway. And I’m sure that those 95% care more about the fact that the industries and trades that they work in, in this country have had their pay & T&C’s decimated in the last 20 years by an influx of cheap Eastern Euro labour. Harry’s point is spot on, the vast majority of people voted to leave simply based on their immigration views, because that is the thing that has affected their day to day lives the most, and not some of the other stuff you constantly whine on about.

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Has there been a problem with transport in the UK with low pay?
Yes there has.
Has that been a problem throughout the EU? No it hasn`t.

There has been a problem because the poorer Eastern countries joined? Yes.
And it was made worse here because of our own National choices. It isn`t so pronounced elsewhere in EU.

Having the East Block join as they did, was always going to be an issue. But keeping them out would likely have been even worse.
The real world is not an ordered place. Stuff happens, and we need to look for the least bad solutions.

So, Ill ask the question again: how is leaving the EU *now* going to benefit us in the *future*? It isnt going to take us back so Blair can make a different choice.

Some of us have had some nice pay rises. Yes. Just after COVID and Brexit.
But what is happening now? Go and look at the Newbie threads. How much are they looking at for pay? Is it really a step change in driver pay?
Look at who is being taken over now, and who is winning contracts. Where is pay going?
And don`t forget we have the highest inflation in the G7.

Where will wages go next?
Brexit had one noted economist speak up for it. Prof Patrick Minford.
He is one of small number who thought Brexit was good.
He also was in favour of the poll tax.
He also predicts that Brexit will cut drastically UK production and farming.
Truss and Kwarteng were fans of his.

So, with a likely drop in the UK manufacturing and farming sectors (predicted even by Brexiteers) where will driver`s and other wages be in 2 or 5 or 10 years time?

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robroy:
but I’ve gotta feeling somebody on here, no names :smiley: , is going to ■■■■ on my chips by putting a very negative spin on it. :laughing:

And your point has been proved. :smiley:

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Franglais:
We have given up rights to work and live freely in other countries. Stupid.

Nope, you’ve had your privilege taken.
You can still live and work in those countries. Stop being a drama queen and spewing this garbage, it’s sentences like this that weed out the media whores and mentally challenged who simply cannot understand why everyone doesn’t fawn to their views.
You’ve clearly got your media choice sorted and are swallowing with glee whatever rubbish they feed you.
At what point on gods earth do you want to explain how now, due to a vote, you cannot move to and work in any country within the EU….you can, it just takes a bit of effort for your lazy gullible ■■■….

Tell you what, if you’re so concerned and so panic stricken then why don’t you an actually do something and join one of the various campaigns to rejoin.
I believe the biggest campaign has almost 20000 members, that’s 20000 after how many years?
Keep arguing all day long chap, keep crying all day long but instead of pointing your media fed bile at those who disagree with you on a truck forum, try confronting those who didn’t care or worse, those with a misguided arrogance that didn’t vote. That’s why we left, not those who wanted to leave, it was those who didn’t care or didn’t believe anyone could disagree with them.
Join the campaign mate, it’s 20000 now so only a few million to go, you know like Farage when he started.
Imagine the shame, now you need to admit that Farage got it right, he actually did it, and now your only chance is to change things is to try and do what he did over 20 years…….brilliant.

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Norfolkinclue1:

Franglais:
We have given up rights to work and live freely in other countries. Stupid.

Nope, you’ve had your privilege taken.
You can still live and work in those countries. Stop being a drama queen and spewing this garbage, it’s sentences like this that weed out the media whores and mentally challenged who simply cannot understand why everyone doesn’t fawn to their views.
You’ve clearly got your media choice sorted and are swallowing with glee whatever rubbish they feed you.
At what point on gods earth do you want to explain how now, due to a vote, you cannot move to and work in any country within the EU….you can, it just takes a bit of effort for your lazy gullible ■■■….

Tell you what, if you’re so concerned and so panic stricken then why don’t you an actually do something and join one of the various campaigns to rejoin.
I believe the biggest campaign has almost 20000 members, that’s 20000 after how many years?
Keep arguing all day long chap, keep crying all day long but instead of pointing your media fed bile at those who disagree with you on a truck forum, try confronting those who didn’t care or worse, those with a misguided arrogance that didn’t vote. That’s why we left, not those who wanted to leave, it was those who didn’t care or didn’t believe anyone could disagree with them.
Join the campaign mate, it’s 20000 now so only a few million to go, you know like Farage when he started.
Imagine the shame, now you need to admit that Farage got it right, he actually did it, and now your only chance is to change things is to try and do what he did over 20 years…….brilliant.

Norfolkinclue1:
Nope, you’ve had your privilege taken.

Factually you are wrong:
Our right to freely live and work in the EU has gone.
We can still live and work there, but it is no longer a right. It is now a privilege not a freedom.

Norfolkinclue1:
You can still live and work in those countries

Franglais:
We have given up rights to work and live freely in other countries.

We are no longer all free to just move there, and get a job there. Some of us might be able to do so.

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Norfolkinclue1:

Franglais:
We have given up rights to work and live freely in other countries. Stupid.

Nope, you’ve had your privilege taken.
You can still live and work in those countries. Stop being a drama queen and spewing this garbage, it’s sentences like this that weed out the media whores and mentally challenged who simply cannot understand why everyone doesn’t fawn to their views.
You’ve clearly got your media choice sorted and are swallowing with glee whatever rubbish they feed you.
At what point on gods earth do you want to explain how now, due to a vote, you cannot move to and work in any country within the EU….you can, it just takes a bit of effort for your lazy gullible ■■■….

Tell you what, if you’re so concerned and so panic stricken then why don’t you an actually do something and join one of the various campaigns to rejoin.
I believe the biggest campaign has almost 20000 members, that’s 20000 after how many years?
Keep arguing all day long chap, keep crying all day long but instead of pointing your media fed bile at those who disagree with you on a truck forum, try confronting those who didn’t care or worse, those with a misguided arrogance that didn’t vote. That’s why we left, not those who wanted to leave, it was those who didn’t care or didn’t believe anyone could disagree with them.
Join the campaign mate, it’s 20000 now so only a few million to go, you know like Farage when he started.
Imagine the shame, now you need to admit that Farage got it right, he actually did it, and now your only chance is to change things is to try and do what he did over 20 years…….brilliant.

That is the whole point,.some people can NEVER accept something that does not suit them in any walk of life. whether it be as in this case politics,.or work, love life, or any ■■■■■■■ thing… it is just their nature…(no names or personalities btw, speaking general, I’m tired abd bored of the trivial pointless spats :bulb: )

I was made redundant from two jobs I absolutely loved ,.and ended up working for a shower of sh, did I spend a life of depressing lament pining for the past?
No…I moved on ( :confused: granted reluctantly) and I did one of the things I was taught by my Granda as a kid (a very wise man btw who taught me a lot in life about character making me who and what I am today :sunglasses: ) that was
‘‘Adapt and re.act’’ which can be used at anything that is chucked at you.
So I basically made the very best of what I saw as a crap situation instead of crying into my Costa coffee,.to the point where I actually now like the job I do…adapt and react.

I have (or had) 2 mates who lost their partners, both of whom were very close, one just went totally down into depression spending his time at the cemetry, and eventually died himself, the other moved on, living his very active life as a single man again.

You break up with a partner, …do you spend rest of your life in morbid grief, no you do what I did… shag anything that moved then find the perfect one…again, adapt and react. :bulb:

I aint trying to be a poundshop life coach or a ■■■■ philosopher here btw :smiley: , I’m just pointing out the parallels with this subject and particularly this thread to make a point. :smiley:
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I’m constantly told to ignore the thread if I ain’t interested , but it’s a bit like the old Victorian freak shows, they knew they shouldn’t mock the afflicted but they could not help it out of a bizzare fascination at how some people were and that is why I can’t ignore it :blush: ,.I find it amusing but also a fascinating window into the different facets of human nature…maybe I should get out more :laughing:

So it keeps getting bumped to the top :unamused: , maybe if those of us who have moved on, just ignored it, it would end up like some kind of one man (or maybe at least 2 individuals ) soliloquy, as an outlet for shear frustration and anger, at not getting one’s own way.
Because no matter how angry , frustrated, obsessed, pre.occupied or simply ■■■■■■ off, there is absolutely no ■■■■■■■ thing they can do about it.

The only hope these people have is an effect of the shear reluctance of the Govt to kick in, the same govt who spend time reluctantly implementing something they did not at all want …after their shock result :bulb: ,

They continue to do so, instead of actively doing their duty of acting for the majority as they are (over) paid to do, in their half arsed approach to making Brexit a success…hence the hotch potch and cluster ■■■■ of activities not yet sorted.

Maybe that will result in pro Brexiteers being worn down, to the point of getting as sick as the remainers, and admit defeat,…ie the Govts usual hidden agenda. :bulb:
That is the remoaners best hope the way I see it …until then,…again…adapt and react. :bulb:

So as far as TN goes, those of us who come on here for all the wrong reasons in the Victorian freak show esque way,.should maybe put a cap of 100 pages before we ignore it, to give those who can not accept what they see as a disappointment in their lives 15 more pages of bile. :smiley:

Jeez that was a bit deep even for me,.am I morphing into.Winseer :open_mouth: . :laughing:

Need to have a word with myself and get back to something less mind numbingly boring like beer and football . :laughing:

Bingo ! btw. :wink: :laughing:

2536

Caroline Lucas speaking today on Brexit. Only 5 minutes linked via the excellent Open Democracy site.

youtube.com/watch?v=k8DZCE5Vp60

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Franglais:
Caroline Lucas speaking today on Brexit. Only 5 minutes linked via the excellent Open Democracy site.

youtube.com/watch?v=k8DZCE5Vp60

I’ll take a leaf out of your book and totally rubbish and discredit your sources because it’s an opposite view to mine…here goes…

‘Caroline Lucas ffs, a ■■■■ Green Party MP? :laughing:
How tf can you take anything serious that those lot say? :unamused:
A joke party’’

Yep,.a good tactic to stifle an argument…,.cheers for that . :smiley: :sunglasses:

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robroy:

Franglais:
Caroline Lucas speaking today on Brexit. Only 5 minutes linked via the excellent Open Democracy site.

youtube.com/watch?v=k8DZCE5Vp60

I’ll take a leaf out of your book and totally rubbish and discredit your sources because it’s an opposite view to mine…here goes…

‘Caroline Lucas ffs, a [zb] Green Party MP? :laughing:
How tf can you take anything serious that those lot say? :unamused:
A joke party’’

Yep,.a good tactic to stifle an argument…,.cheers for that . :smiley: :sunglasses:

Good argument made there RR.
Pointing out the lies she has told in the past, the way her party is funded, and the support she has received from foreign powers, really makes me doubt her.
She really is in the pocket of big business and is seeking a seat on the board later isn`t she? The point you make about her private and family investments really sways the argument against her.
Clearly she sees that, as the first Green MP, she will soon be the PM and her personal ambition knows no ends!

All that delivered with RobRoy`s customary wit and good feeling towards fellow man, with never a cuss nor insult in view.
Everything we all know and love about you RR, and we all know how that public acclaim is so important to you, so I too bow before your closely argued case.

Yep. Why give the Brexiteers the opportunity to make their case? Why give them an inquiry to prove how all the Brexit promises have been upheld?
We are really getting fed up with them winning the vote and then never shutting up about how brilliantly everything has been ever since, and how everything will be even better in the future.

I really should stop beating myself up trying to find even the slightest crack in your position.
I feel truly humbled by the power of your case, and will shut up forthwith.

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Franglais:

robroy:

Franglais:
Caroline Lucas speaking today on Brexit. Only 5 minutes linked via the excellent Open Democracy site.

youtube.com/watch?v=k8DZCE5Vp60

I’ll take a leaf out of your book and totally rubbish and discredit your sources because it’s an opposite view to mine…here goes…

‘Caroline Lucas ffs, a [zb] Green Party MP? :laughing:
How tf can you take anything serious that those lot say? :unamused:
A joke party’’

Yep,.a good tactic to stifle an argument…,.cheers for that . :smiley: :sunglasses:

Good argument made there RR.
Pointing out the lies she has told in the past, the way her party is funded, and the support she has received from foreign powers, really makes me doubt her.
She really is in the pocket of big business and is seeking a seat on the board later isn`t she? The point you make about her private and family investments really sways the argument against her.
Clearly she sees that, as the first Green MP, she will soon be the PM and her personal ambition knows no ends!

All that delivered with RobRoy`s customary wit and good feeling towards fellow man, with never a cuss nor insult in view.
Everything we all know and love about you RR, and we all know how that public acclaim is so important to you, so I too bow before your closely argued case.

Yep. Why give the Brexiteers the opportunity to make their case? Why give them an inquiry to prove how all the Brexit promises have been upheld?
We are really getting fed up with them winning the vote and then never shutting up about how brilliantly everything has been ever since, and how everything will be even better in the future.

I really should stop beating myself up trying to find even the slightest crack in your position.
I feel truly humbled by the power of your case, and will shut up forthwith.

Hmm… :smiley: seems like somebody does not appreciate a taste of his own medicine eh? :smiley:
The sarcasm,.the satire, the attempt at irony, .the passive agression…it’s all there. :laughing:
A bit rattled methinks…(and I’m betting that he wishes I would take him,.and stuff like this, as serious as he evidently does me…I dont btw :unamused: :laughing: )

Btw…‘‘Shut up forthwith’’ ?
If only. :smiley:

2540

Warning this post contains a link!
And that link, has a link!!

I really do like it when some of those comedy quizzes “HIGNFY”, “News Quiz”, etc tie together different stories in some way.
Phil Moorhouse is at it this week. OK, no belly laughs, he isn`t Hislop, Merton, nor Zaltzman though.

Warning! Contains Brexit and Vaccine!

youtube.com/watch?v=GnsG7enOM6U

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the nodding donkey:

robroy:

Franglais:
Enjoy your meal out.
.
FoxnGrapes tonight I see,

The [zb] pub does NOT even exist !! :bulb: :bulb:
:unamused: Jeez .

You cannot eat what you no longer have, neither…

The day “Energy Credits” take over from “Money” - will be the day your power gets cut off…

2542

Another Brexit Benefit found.
And I must admit I do find this one really lovely. :smiley:

It seems that Putins invasion of Ukraine would have been successful if it wasnt for Brexit.
Yep, no Brexit and Russia would be in Kyiv today.

It must be true Rees-Mogg says so.
youtube.com/watch?v=IDMHf4VNQKc

And kudos to Sothy Ridge for keeping a (almost) straight face.

And note he says “Above this we`ve got democracy”

Remember that when you hear about his speech today
bbc.com/news/uk-politics-65599380
A confession that the Tory voter ID scheme was pretending to fix a non-existent problem, but which they thought would boost their own party`s share of the vote.
He is only moaning now because he reckons it backfired!

2543

While Rees-Mogg is inventing Brexit benefits, someone else is now saying that “Brexit has failed”.
Farage on NewsNight yesterday.
youtube.com/watch?v=2W7xGQExejc
Of course, like the gobby know-it-all in the pub “If I was in charge…”.

He still won`t admit that unicorns were being promised.

All Remain had to offer was summat that actually exists in the real world. Not the fantasy sold by politicians and the tycoons who run the media and the Tory party.