Franglais:
As I have repeatedly pointed out Brexit is an ongoing event. It has affected us, and will continue to do so for years.
And how many of those people in the UK will actually have any sort of noticeable difference in their lives than they did before 2016?
Franglais:
tmcassett:
So to repeat: since you statetmcassett:
no, but that’s to be expected when none of our politicians actually wanted it in the first place.Who gave us Brexit?
Were the Johnson administration all merely playing roles in a huge deception? Pretending to be pro-Brexit when really against it?
Please feel free to explain in your own words what was really going on.
I’m actually lost at what point you are trying to make here. Your asking me a question I appear to have answered and that you yourself have even quoted from myself above.
tmcassett:
Franglais:
tmcassett:
So to repeat: since you statetmcassett:
no, but that’s to be expected when none of our politicians actually wanted it in the first place.Who gave us Brexit?
Were the Johnson administration all merely playing roles in a huge deception? Pretending to be pro-Brexit when really against it?
Please feel free to explain in your own words what was really going on.I’m actually lost at what point you are trying to make here. Your asking me a question I appear to have answered and that you yourself have even quoted from myself above.
So, forgive me being obtuse here, but you believe that Johnson, Frost, and the 2019 Tory government, elected with a substantial majority on a manifesto including “get Brexit done”, were not in favour of Brexit?
Franglais:
So, forgive me being obtuse here, but you believe that Johnson, Frost, and the 2019 Tory government, elected with a substantial majority on a manifesto including “get Brexit done”, were not in favour of Brexit?
Do you believe they were? Any of them since 2016 - Cameron, May, Johnson, Sunak
tmcassett:
Franglais:
So, forgive me being obtuse here, but you believe that Johnson, Frost, and the 2019 Tory government, elected with a substantial majority on a manifesto including “get Brexit done”, were not in favour of Brexit?Do you believe they were? Any of them since 2016 - Cameron, May, Johnson, Sunak
Never mind Cameron and May, what have they to do with the Brexit deal we negotiated and signed?
Cameron left Parliament in 2016! He was responsible for the referendum but had nothing to do with the deal.
The Brexit we have was negotiated and signed by Johnson etc.
Do you maintain that he and his administration, elected on a manifesto to get Brexit done, were anti-Brexit?
@tmcasset.
Seriously mate, …You should just let him carry on ranting about all this to himself until he finally gets bored.
It has even gone beyond obsession with him, it’s developed into like some kind of irrational sickness with him. 
I don’t know about you but I don’t want to be responsible for tipping him right over the edge,.what started as a bit of ribbing and banter has gone beyond the pale, it’s his life’s preoccupation, but he refuses to see how he appears to everybody on here,. responding with the …‘‘I don’t care’’ stuff.
I’m amazed at his shear dare I say it again…obsession. 
In fact I’m flabbergasted,…
As the great Frankie Howerd used to say, ‘‘My flabber has never been so gasted’’. 
robroy:
@tmcasset.
Seriously mate, …You should just let him carry on ranting about all this to himself until he finally gets bored.
It has even gone beyond obsession with him, it’s developed into like some kind of irrational sickness with him.I don’t know about you but I don’t want to be responsible for tipping him right over the edge,.what started as a bit of ribbing and banter has gone beyond the pale, it’s his life’s preoccupation, but he refuses to see how he appears to everybody on here,. responding with the …‘‘I don’t care’’ stuff.
I’m amazed at his shear dare I say it again…obsession.
In fact I’m flabbergasted,…
As the great Frankie Howerd used to say, ‘‘My flabber has never been so gasted’’.
So, again nothing to say about Brexit on the Brexit thread?
(rhetorical question of course)
But you manage to throw in comments about “irrational sickness” to follow up from previous posts about “meltdown”.
Nothing to say on the subject so resorting to passing nasty comments.
Trolling.
Nothing more, nothing less.
robroy:
@tmcasset.
Seriously mate, …You should just let him carry on ranting about all this to himself until he finally gets bored.
It has even gone beyond obsession with him, it’s developed into like some kind of irrational sickness with him.I don’t know about you but I don’t want to be responsible for tipping him right over the edge,.what started as a bit of ribbing and banter has gone beyond the pale, it’s his life’s preoccupation, but he refuses to see how he appears to everybody on here,. responding with the …‘‘I don’t care’’ stuff.
I’m amazed at his shear dare I say it again…obsession.
In fact I’m flabbergasted,…
As the great Frankie Howerd used to say, ‘‘My flabber has never been so gasted’’.
Can’t disagree with any of that mate. I mean he’s even got people who share his opinion actually telling him to give it a rest and let it go but he still persists like it will actually change anything.
Franglais:
tmcassett:
Franglais:
So, forgive me being obtuse here, but you believe that Johnson, Frost, and the 2019 Tory government, elected with a substantial majority on a manifesto including “get Brexit done”, were not in favour of Brexit?Do you believe they were? Any of them since 2016 - Cameron, May, Johnson, Sunak
Never mind Cameron and May, what have they to do with the Brexit deal we negotiated and signed?
Cameron left Parliament in 2016! He was responsible for the referendum but had nothing to do with the deal.The Brexit we have was negotiated and signed by Johnson etc.
Do you maintain that he and his administration, elected on a manifesto to get Brexit done, were anti-Brexit?
I’m not on about who signed the Brexit deal, I was just making a wider point and simple observation that non of the PM’s we’ve had since and including Cameron actually wanted Brexit. They massively misjudged the feelings of a lot of people in this country and just arrogantly thought we would all vote to remain in the EU and that would be the end of that. The resulting mess we have seen in the last 7 years is down a group of politicians trying to negotiate things they don’t actually want or believe in.
tmcassett:
Franglais:
tmcassett:
Franglais:
So, forgive me being obtuse here, but you believe that Johnson, Frost, and the 2019 Tory government, elected with a substantial majority on a manifesto including “get Brexit done”, were not in favour of Brexit?Do you believe they were? Any of them since 2016 - Cameron, May, Johnson, Sunak
Never mind Cameron and May, what have they to do with the Brexit deal we negotiated and signed?
Cameron left Parliament in 2016! He was responsible for the referendum but had nothing to do with the deal.The Brexit we have was negotiated and signed by Johnson etc.
Do you maintain that he and his administration, elected on a manifesto to get Brexit done, were anti-Brexit?
I’m not on about who signed the Brexit deal, I was just making a wider point and simple observation that non of the PM’s we’ve had since and including Cameron actually wanted Brexit. They massively misjudged the feelings of a lot of people in this country and just arrogantly thought we would all vote to remain in the EU and that would be the end of that. The resulting mess we have seen in the last 7 years is down to a group of politicians trying to negotiate things they don’t actually want or believe in.
Franglais:
robroy:
@tmcasset.
Seriously mate, …You should just let him carry on ranting about all this to himself until he finally gets bored.
It has even gone beyond obsession with him, it’s developed into like some kind of irrational sickness with him.I don’t know about you but I don’t want to be responsible for tipping him right over the edge,.what started as a bit of ribbing and banter has gone beyond the pale, it’s his life’s preoccupation, but he refuses to see how he appears to everybody on here,. responding with the …‘‘I don’t care’’ stuff.
I’m amazed at his shear dare I say it again…obsession.
In fact I’m flabbergasted,…
As the great Frankie Howerd used to say, ‘‘My flabber has never been so gasted’’.So, again nothing to say about Brexit on the Brexit thread?
(rhetorical question of course)But you manage to throw in comments about “irrational sickness” to follow up from previous posts about “meltdown”.
Nothing to say on the subject so resorting to passing nasty comments.Trolling.
Nothing more, nothing less.
So I more or less let you win (we all know how you like to be right …and win) and you still carry on with the crap at me… 
Brexit… …I’ve already said I do not share the same bizzare obsession with all this stuff as you do,.I merely come on here …well basically to laugh at you admittedly. , but as I said the amusement is waning, I do actually think this stuff has taken you over, so I am not going to continue adding to your meltdowns.
Call it trolling if you like, if it makes you feel better about yourself,but I!d be inclined to take it as a bit of a friendly warning, sorry to say this mate, but do I really need to spell it out?..you are coming across as being a bit mad over this.
Nasty comment?
No, more like relevant observations for you to ponder over.
But hey !..as you keep telling us you do not care what people on here think about you, but at least take at least one second’s heed.
tmcassett:
Franglais:
tmcassett:
Franglais:
So, forgive me being obtuse here, but you believe that Johnson, Frost, and the 2019 Tory government, elected with a substantial majority on a manifesto including “get Brexit done”, were not in favour of Brexit?Do you believe they were? Any of them since 2016 - Cameron, May, Johnson, Sunak
Never mind Cameron and May, what have they to do with the Brexit deal we negotiated and signed?
Cameron left Parliament in 2016! He was responsible for the referendum but had nothing to do with the deal.The Brexit we have was negotiated and signed by Johnson etc.
Do you maintain that he and his administration, elected on a manifesto to get Brexit done, were anti-Brexit?I’m not on about who signed the Brexit deal, I was just making a wider point and simple observation that non of the PM’s we’ve had since and including Cameron actually wanted Brexit. They massively misjudged the feelings of a lot of people in this country and just arrogantly thought we would all vote to remain in the EU and that would be the end of that. The resulting mess we have seen in the last 7 years is down a group of politicians trying to negotiate things they don’t actually want or believe in.
Lets start with a a couple of points of agreement I agree that many politicians misread the way the [u]referendum[/u] would go. Yes. I agree that we have had 7 years of mess. . Having a referendum is not Brexit. We could have a referendum tomorrow on whether or not we want a forest of magic money trees planted, with herds of unicorns roaming free. We could vote in favour, it aint gonna happen.
We could put the loons who belive in this nonsense in charge, it still ain`t gonna happen.
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tmcassett:
The resulting mess we have seen in the last 7 years is down a group of politicians trying to negotiate things they don’t actually want or believe in.
So you maintain the the Brexit deal we have, negotiated and signed by Frost and Johnson and the 2019 Tory party, was made by politicians who didn`t want Brexit?
As I have pointed Cameron had nothing to do with the Brexit deal.
He was certainly responsible for the referendum, but he wasn`t the unicorn breeder.
The negotiations (which you correctly call the 7 years of mess) were down to Johnson etc.
robroy:
So I more or less let you win (we all know how you like to be right …and win) and you still carry on with the crap at me…
What!?
You poor hard done by wee lamb. I feel for you.
You make a trolling post and expect me to just let it go? Would you?
Yes, I do like being right. It feels nicer than being wrong!
Maybe you`ll experience that feeling one day too! 
Franglais:
robroy:
So I more or less let you win (we all know how you like to be right …and win) and you still carry on with the crap at me…What!?
You poor hard done by wee lamb. I feel for you.
You make a trolling post and expect me to just let it go? Would you?Yes, I do like being right. It feels nicer than being wrong!
Maybe you`ll experience that feeling one day too!
Don’t be feeling for me mate, you should be monitoring yourself.
You’re a ■■■■■■ analyst’s gift from the gods.
As I was saying…(yesterday evening) the Brexit bill championed by Rees-Mogg and meant to throw out numerous laws and rules introdecud whiolst we were in the EU in one random heap has been rather quietly kicked into the long grass.
Reported in various outlets.
It was another Brexiteers wet-dream that would have caused even less confidence in the UK for any investors and might have led to sanctions against the UK. Fortunately the 2nd chamber let the Go know they were unhappy so the porr old ERG and their foreign sponsors don`t get to make more cash as the pound fluctuates more than is necessary.
Moorhouse explains it better than I can
youtube.com/watch?v=2Kmz1SCbXC0
Hey ! We`ve got another new date for the next stage of Brexit: November 1st 2023.
From this date EU companies sending foods to the UK will have to supply “vet certifcates”.
This will be only the light touch at first, with stricter controls the following year?
Anyway it will mean EU exporters finding vets, and paying them for certification for all foods from the EU to the UK. It`ll be an extra cost for them which, we can assume will be passed on to the end consumer.
Well, those companies that can be arsed to do so; to export to one country with extra paperwork rather than 26 countries with no paperwork. If there are any supply shortages I wonder who will get first shout for the goods?
Then after that stage or two we have the re-negotiation of the ongoing trade agreement to look forward to in 2026. Much more work for civil servants paid for from our taxes.
It’s like these remainers think this thread will change everything
robroy:
Franglais:
Enjoy your meal out.
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FoxnGrapes tonight I see,The [zb] pub does NOT even exist !!
Franglais:
Hey ! We`ve got another new date for the next stage of Brexit: November 1st 2023.From this date EU companies sending foods to the UK will have to supply “vet certifcates”.
This will be only the light touch at first, with stricter controls the following year?
Anyway it will mean EU exporters finding vets, and paying them for certification for all foods from the EU to the UK. It`ll be an extra cost for them which, we can assume will be passed on to the end consumer.
Well, those companies that can be arsed to do so; to export to one country with extra paperwork rather than 26 countries with no paperwork. If there are any supply shortages I wonder who will get first shout for the goods?Then after that stage or two we have the re-negotiation of the ongoing trade agreement to look forward to in 2026. Much more work for civil servants paid for from our taxes.
It’s a shame the bulk of the eu wasn’t prepared to share the burden of the eastern bloc countries joining then, isn’t it? If they had, and hadn’t just left it to us to watch our wages stagnate for 20 years then we might not have voted to leave.
the nodding donkey:
robroy:
Franglais:
Enjoy your meal out.
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FoxnGrapes tonight I see,The [zb] pub does NOT even exist !!
Aye,.I saw one myself last week and thought of Frangers.
Was going to photo it and tell him I was in there.
