adam277:
Your points are fair. But the fact is the Blair government did not want to put a cap on the amount of immigration into the UK. And we got an influx of EE workers.
It should never of happened and if it did not happen we would still prob be in the EU.
Agreed
adam277:
But, I am not gonna blame people for voting for brexit. Even if it was not the European Unions thought but British Policy it is clear the mass immigration is just not popular among the British.
The background influences our perceptions of what is and isnt true. Back in the 70s we had a “background” where black people were routinely abused and insulted. It was the then “norm”.
Any black person not liking the daily insults was “humourless” and couldnt take “friendly banter”.
The current media background noise includes routine assumptions about immigration and work. Assumptions, that because they are widely held and often repeated, are assumed to be correct. But they are still assumptions, not facts.
Making the immigrant worker look like the person responsible for low pay and bad conditions is letting the true culprits off the hook.
the maoster:
You haven’t addressed Yorkies figures yet Franglais re worldwide inflation . It’s ok, I’ll wait
After …how many?.. posts criticising my use of links and stats, after …how many?..comments “lies, ■■■■ lies, and statistics” you see one link with figures that support your preconceived point of view, and it is “genius”. Scroll up above and look at Adam`s post. Recognise “cherry picking” at all?
That’s a pretty big cop out if I ever saw one.
You want me to cherry pick some figures that contradict yours? Not too hard, but meaning little.
I criticise others for that.
Is that a cop out?
When you see wages low and warehouses filled with EE workers.
It is only right that people assume that mass immigration is an issue to be fair.
I think since the Blair years around 50% of people go to University. But that is still 50% of people that don’t. And for people older than 30 then it is probably closer to 80%. So there is already a lot of unskilled workers in the UK.
Now, how do we balance things. Because it is clear that UK workers do not want to pick fruit in the fields. This is not to ■■■■ on UK workers. There is just not a lot of money in picking fruit.
The solution to this is simple. Government needs to stop screwing over Farmers and invest in them. The Thatcherite idea of just importing everything is no longer viable. We do not want to be food dependent on other countries.
We need to support farmers and invest in them. Israel has been doing it for years and it has paid off massively.
e.g. youtube.com/watch?v=6olybtRPdwg
Well worth watching Clarkson’s Farm just to see all the BS that farmers have to go through in the UK.
And yea, some of the free trade deals we have signed are going to ■■■■ over farmers. That needs sorting.
the maoster:
You haven’t addressed Yorkies figures yet Franglais re worldwide inflation . It’s ok, I’ll wait
After …how many?.. posts criticising my use of links and stats, after …how many?..comments “lies, ■■■■ lies, and statistics” you see one link with figures that support your preconceived point of view, and it is “genius”. Scroll up above and look at Adam`s post. Recognise “cherry picking” at all?
That’s a pretty big cop out if I ever saw one.
You want me to cherry pick some figures that contradict yours? Not too hard, but meaning little.
I criticise others for that.
Is that a cop out?
Still haven’t answered his question, or are we hiding behind the “cherry picking” argument now?
tmcassett:
Still haven’t answered his question, or are we hiding behind the “cherry picking” argument now?
Franglais:
msgyorkie:
I dont disagree with you BUT the point I am making is that our high inflation is in line with other western economies. Bugger all to do with Brexit.
You like me are old enough to remember other periods of time when we had high inflation.
8% in 1990
17.97% in 1980
24.21% in 1975
What have all 3 dates have in common? I will help you out…WE WERE INSIDE THE EEC
Point the first.
Statistics text book.
Page 1 .
Line 1:
… Correlation is NOT Causation.
Can you show a mechanism that links the figures you quoted, with membership of the EU?
Point the second…and third and fourth
Were the UK inflation figures better, or worse, than that of other developed economies?
Would we have been better, in or out, of the EU at those times?
Was the EU (Common Market) responsible for that inflation?
(I accept that counter-factual analysis is a real problem, but that is where we are)
tmcassett:
Still haven’t answered his question, or are we hiding behind the “cherry picking” argument now?
Franglais:
msgyorkie:
I dont disagree with you BUT the point I am making is that our high inflation is in line with other western economies. Bugger all to do with Brexit.
You like me are old enough to remember other periods of time when we had high inflation.
8% in 1990
17.97% in 1980
24.21% in 1975
What have all 3 dates have in common? I will help you out…WE WERE INSIDE THE EEC
Point the first.
Statistics text book.
Page 1 .
Line 1:
… Correlation is NOT Causation.
Can you show a mechanism that links the figures you quoted, with membership of the EU?
Point the second…and third and fourth
Were the UK inflation figures better, or worse, than that of other developed economies?
Would we have been better, in or out, of the EU at those times?
Was the EU (Common Market) responsible for that inflation?
(I accept that counter-factual analysis is a real problem, but that is where we are)
Nope, still not answered msgyorkie’s post from the previous page, seeing as you like facts and stats it’s page 72, post 26 I’m referring to.
tmcassett:
Nope, still not answered msgyorkie’s post from the previous page, seeing as you like facts and stats it’s page 72, post 26 I’m referring to.
msgyorkie:
But inflation is a worldwide problem;
Venezuela, at 1198.0%
Sudan, at 340.0%
Lebanon, at 201.0%
Syria, at 139.0%
Suriname, at 63.3%
Zimbabwe, at 60.7%
Argentina, at 51.2%
Turkey, at 36.1%
I somehow cannot see Brexit affecting any of those.
Now lets take a look at developed countries.
USA 9.1%
Spain 10.8%
Ireland 9.1%
Belgium 9.62
Iceland 9.9%
Slovenia 11%
Greece 12.1%
Lithuania 21%
There is more Inflation Rate - Countries - List | Europe Dated June 2022 (Thought id throw in a link for you )
Its a worldwide problem nothing to do with Brexit so stop grasping at straws and twisting the truth to suit your agenda because frankly your twisting of the truth is as dishonest as Rees-Mogg in front of a camera.
This one?
There are query marks, and no specific questions, are there?
However, from the last post
Franglais:
Were the UK inflation figures better, or worse, than that of other developed economies?
Would we have been better, in or out, of the EU at those times?
Was the EU (Common Market) responsible for that inflation?
Of course inflation is a worldwide problem. The issue is whether or not Brexit has made our position re inflation better or not.
Try this Bloomberg article bloomberg.com/news/articles … 0Economics.
Are we doing better than Greece? Yes.
Would we have been doing better than Greece had we stayed? Probably yes, too. But, probably better by a greater margin!
tmcassett:
Blair and his labour government are the reason we are not in the EU today, the UK got shafted when it came to mass immigration and the effects of that on the UK workforce compared to other EU countries, anyone who thinks otherwise is naive. Adam’s post above perfectly sums it up, we would 100% still be in the EU today if it wasn’t for this.
A lot of truth in that.
Many voted to leave the EU because of what a UK gov did.
You’ll have a long wait,.for an explanation…I was criticised for condoning bullying months ago by him, which tbh was quite offensive tbh.k but hey ho,…STILL waiting for an explanation.
Hardly surprising I reckon he spends as much time loading up this thread than he does at his job…fanatical or what…you’re starting to make Winseer look cool and interesting Franglais, seriously mate.
Oh hang on I’m expected to mention Brexit on every post…
Here goes…
Still pleased that the country saw sense and voted to leave the EU,.at the ‘‘Brexit’’ referendum.m still amazed at the ‘‘petulance’’ …what were the others?
Oh yeh…
still.‘‘remoaning’’ still '‘gloating’ .
Think that’s all the key words covered.
robroy:
You’ll have a long wait,.for an explanation…I was criticised for condoning bullying months ago by him, which tbh was quite offensive tbh.k but hey ho,…STILL waiting for an explanation.
Hardly surprising I reckon he spends as much time loading up this thread than he does at his job…fanatical or what…you’re starting to make Winseer look cool and interesting Franglais, seriously mate.
Oh hang on I’m expected to mention Brexit on every post…
Here goes…
Still pleased that the country saw sense and voted to leave the EU,.at the ‘‘Brexit’’ referendum.m still amazed at the ‘‘petulance’’ …what were the others?
Oh yeh…
still.‘‘remoaning’’ still '‘gloating’ .
Think that’s all the key words covered.
He’s probably too busy trying to find links that pin the Ukraine war on brexit!
robroy:
.I was criticised for condoning bullying months ago by him, which tbh was quite offensive tbh.k but hey ho,…STILL waiting for an explanation.
Your delicate sensitivities still offended? I am terribly sorry for keeping you waiting.
On numerous occasions you have suggested that I am manic, obsessed, fanatical, having a style like Adolf Hitler, etc.
All based on no more than my posts on an anonymous forum.
So, you can have my “explanation” that I base my assessment of your character, on the same evidence you base your opinion (repeatedly incessantly) of mine.
robroy:
.I was criticised for condoning bullying months ago by him, which tbh was quite offensive tbh.k but hey ho,…STILL waiting for an explanation.
Your delicate sensitivities still offended? I am terribly sorry for keeping you waiting.
On numerous occasions you have suggested that I am manic, obsessed, fanatical, having a style like Adolf Hitler, etc.
All based on no more than my posts on an anonymous forum.
So, you can have my “explanation” that I base my assessment of your character, on the same evidence you base your opinion (repeatedly incessantly) of mine.
Nah not so much offended just curious as to how you come to the conclusion that I condone bullying, you obviously do not know me and you are way off…especially as I deplore any kind of bullying, in fact on a number of occasions in life stuck my nose in to help a couple of people actually being picked on /bullied (mainly women) and ended up on the receiving end from both parties.
As for my opinions on you, at least I’ve backed them up with evidence.
I don’t expect any kind of apology as I don’t take it that seriously,.but surely at least I’m owed an explanation, or at least an admission of getting it wrong…but hey ho.
So who exactly have I ‘‘bullied’’ on here to make you draw that conclusion…pleeeease tell me that it ain’t YOU …,.and you are playing the ‘bullying card’ if that is the case I thought you were better than that mate tbh.
As for the Hitler analogy it looks like you are alone in the Remoaner Fuhrerbunker,.all your mates seem to have kept quiet and left you all alone on this thread to fight the remoaner corner (stirling job you’re doing btw) even Herr Kloss and his mate were last seeing giving up and heading to Argentina on a U boat.
(Disclaimer…
Any comparison with Franglais and Hitler/The ■■■■ party, is purely for humourous purposes,.and not intended to slander him or hurt his feelings in a bullying type of way. )
> robroy: > As for the Hitler analogy it looks like you are alone in the Remoaner Fuhrerbunker,.all your mates seem to have kept quiet and left you all alone on this thread to fight the remoaner corner (stirling job you’re doing btw) even Herr Kloss and his mate were last seeing giving up and heading to Argentina on a U boat.
I don’t reckon any of us have kept particularly quiet, but You Rob, with Franglais’ assistance have done a sterling job keeping this entertaining thread going.
It looks set for a while yet, as I can’t see Risky Sunak or Miss Trust doing anything to either satisfy the Brexiteers in ‘Getting Brexit Done’ or the Remainers who fear for the future of this once ‘Sceptered Isle’
whisperingsmith: > robroy: > As for the Hitler analogy it looks like you are alone in the Remoaner Fuhrerbunker,.all your mates seem to have kept quiet and left you all alone on this thread to fight the remoaner corner (stirling job you’re doing btw) even Herr Kloss and his mate were last seeing giving up and heading to Argentina on a U boat.
I don’t reckon any of us have kept particularly quiet, but You Rob, with Franglais’ assistance have done a sterling job keeping this entertaining thread going.
It looks set for a while yet, as I can’t see Risky Sunak or Miss Trust doing anything to either satisfy the Brexiteers in ‘Getting Brexit Done’ or the Remainers who fear for the future of this once ‘Sceptered Isle’
Dunno about WW2, but we are set for the early 70`s: inflation, lack of investment leading to a failing economy, strikes, rising interest rates signaling possible repossessions, fuel supply issues, moans about immigrants “taking our jobs”, just like being back in the good ole days innit.
(Want a giggle I`ll PM you a heads up from earlier)
the maoster:
You haven’t addressed Yorkies figures yet Franglais re worldwide inflation . It’s ok, I’ll wait
So compare us to worldwide inflation? If we are doing better than Iraq, we are on a winner?
Try the first two minutes of this to see where we stand amongst our peers: youtube.com/watch?v=QRrlGbuM9C8
Franglais:
, but we are set for the early 70`s: inflation, lack of investment leading to a failing economy, strikes, rising interest rates signaling possible repossessions, fuel supply issues, moans about immigrants “taking our jobs”, just like being back in the good ole days innit.
(Want a giggle I`ll PM you a heads up from earlier)
As I remember it, it was the late 70’s when the economy crashed to the point of requiring an IMF bailout.
Good luck with finding any evidence which would show any inflation issues before the OPEC oil sanctions.When of course our North Sea resources came in handy for keeping Germany in luxury while we paid as much or more for it.
The value of the pound in 1972 v 1982 and 1992 proves it.
Franglais:
So compare us to worldwide inflation? If we are doing better than Iraq, we are on a winner?
Ah but it’s not just Iraq is it? Quite what Iraq has to do with your cringeworthy EU ■■■■■■■■■ is beyond me btw! But you were shown figures that in no way correlated with your fantasy figures, yet you still insist on believing that Eu is like Essex the only way.
Pray tell me my friend how is it that for not one single year a group of professional accountants have signed off the accounts of the EU ? Could it be widespread fraud? Perish the thought of course, it must be a mistake surely?
Glad I voted out ,…eu is a mafia nothing more ,I like Europe I do not like the people who run the eu ,nothing but a gravy train ,open boarders the criminals love it …most of their leaders would stab the UK and USA in the back I am never going to post on that poxy set up again…final.
Franglais:
So compare us to worldwide inflation? If we are doing better than Iraq, we are on a winner?
Ah but it’s not just Iraq is it? Quite what Iraq has to do with your cringeworthy EU ■■■■■■■■■ is beyond me btw! But you were shown figures that in no way correlated with your fantasy figures, yet you still insist on believing that Eu is like Essex the only way.
Pray tell me my friend how is it that for not one single year a group of professional accountants have signed off the accounts of the EU ? Could it be widespread fraud? Perish the thought of course, it must be a mistake surely?
Have professional accountants ever signed off the UK Parliaments accounts?
Has Johnson had his decorating bill signed off yet?
But we won`t deny that the EU has had problems.
A few years ago one of their members was found to have to have misspent funds, and had salary docked to repay it. theguardian.com/politics/20 … blic-funds
When you examination something very complicated, is it expected to be perfect? Error free?
Or
Fair and Accurate?
Saying “the accounts haven`t been signed off for years” is Not Fair and Not Accurate IMHO.
EDIT to add bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu … m-36276175
"The latest report, published in 2015 for accounts in 2014, explicitly said that the auditors were “signing off the accounts” as they have done every year since 2007.
The Court did point out that some of the funds - 4.4% of the total in 2014 - were not used in accordance with the EU rules. But it stressed that this “is not a measure of fraud, inefficiency or waste”, but money that: “should not have been paid out because it was not used in accordance with the applicable rules and regulations”.
Franglais:
Has Johnson had his decorating bill signed off yet?
Ye ■■■■ all the Johnson bashing ■■■■■■■■ the media ran with.
Surpised we didn’t get a headline like “MURDOCH BUYS JOHNSON A BIG MAC AND HE DID NOT DECLARE IT!!!”
I got well passed that ■■■■■■■■ months ago.
Could not give a ■■■■ if Johnson broke the rules on covid or not because I do not think we should of had them in the first place.
I’m no Boris fanboy but I am only glad seeing him go because I am sick of every week they pull another story out their ■■■ to fill the news with about how he drank tea and shook hands during lockdown.
Yea, maybe as he imposed the rules it is some double standards. It did not seem he ever was in favour of lockdown though. I also give him some credit as when it comes to lockdowns he seems to have resisted them a fair bit. If Hancock was in charge he would of taken peoples kids lol.
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…,.and you are playing the ‘bullying card’ if that is the case I thought you were better than that mate tbh.