robroy:
Or maybe I’ve got some kind of bizzare fascination in observing a guy who appears to be on some sort of frustration based meltdown.
come on, the guy works in cross border road transport, his daily routine has become far more complicated slow and frustrating due to the excess of red tape that your winning voted caused you cant blame him for feeling that way, he deals with it every day you dont
just because it doesnt affect you, a friend of mine lost his job due to the end of free movement, an english guy who worked ski season in france btw, theres plenty of news stories about entire businesses shutting down and setting up in the EU, this has been a bad situation for so many people, have a little empathy
Well that’s me put in my place eh?
Sorry to hear about your mates, it’s tough losing a job in any situation.
As for my comments and observations on Franglais…
I understand he’s dissatisfied by the situation, and as for empathy yeh,.I’ve done Euro myself,.I can imagine things being a bit of a pain in the arse now, but how does constant and incessant belly aching about the political side of things achieve anything?
There is stuff in my work and job that does not suit me, and yeah I’ll have a moan about it to anybody who will listen, and sometimes I’ll come on here and comment on the same.
But c’mon ffs, this surpasses concern, the guy is obsessed, sure he’s entitled to his opinion, he’s entitled to complain, but come on…over and over (and over) again?
He’s usual.answer is ‘don’t read the thread’ but bizarrely I find it entertaining albeit for all the wrong reasons.
Don’t get the wrong idea, I’ve nothing against Franglais,he seems ok,.and 9 times out of 10 takes criticism in good part, (unlike some absolute [zb] fruit cakes I’ve crossed on here )
I reckon if we ever met up I would not be averse to having a pint with him…as long as we avoided the ‘B’ word. …on the other hand, maybe he’d avoid me like herpes…or hit me .
So just observations and comments mate, in the spirit of the forum, nothing more nothing less.
I would buy Frangers a pint, he seems like a very nice chap!
What I find odd with the remoaners or whatever they are called is that they seem to be basking in the failure of the country. It actually brings joy to them that we are probably heading for a recession.
Apparently I voted remain. But honestly, I’d happily vote for brexit if the vote happened again.
I remember during the Greek Financial crisis of 2009 I believe. The Finance Minister stated the countries biggest mistake was in joining the EU. But he also stated that under no circumstances should Greece leave the European Union as for the country it would be worse.
I think it would be similar for the UK. Yea, it is bad that the UK has left the EU but what would be worse is rejoining the EU.
What’s done is done.
As for the longer delays at the border? Don’t care lol. If you ever tried entering Australia or New Zealand you’d know they do not rush and seem to manage fine.
Seems the main cause of the delays are just the extra holiday makers looking for a cheap trip.
I also think there is a bit of ■■■ for tat for leaving the EU as well. We knew this was going to be an issue. What do I mean by this? The European Union has a policy of making sure any deal whatsoever with the UK has to be inferior to any previous deal. Because the UK can not be seen to benefit from leaving the EU.
adam277:
What I find odd with the remoaners or whatever they are called is that they seem to be basking in the failure of the country. It actually brings joy to them that we are probably heading for a recession.
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Exactly they see Brexit as a failure which is up to them, but like I said they’re actually gloating over what they believe to be true.
adam277:
What I find odd with the remoaners or whatever they are called is that they seem to be basking in the failure of the country. It actually brings joy to them that we are probably heading for a recession.
.
Exactly they see Brexit as a failure which is up to them, but like I said they’re actually gloating over what they believe to be true.
What a particularly bizarre point of view.
If there is a problem anywhere it needs fixing.
It can only be fixed if the cause of the problem is first identified.
No point in changing fuel filters if your spark plug is broken.
No point in leaving the EU, if the EU isnt the cause of your problems. Refusing to open ones eyes and see what is going on is no way to start understanding a problem.
Saying Brexit is going well, is doing exactly that.
The sheer stupidity of Rees-Mogg firstly talking about queues in Calais, then the Gov refusing to see the looming problems with passports, and even now finding false reasons and talking sheer nonsense will do nothing to help the country.
We all make mistakes. A mistake isn`t stupidity.
Not admitting mistakes, and learning form them is.
tmcassett:
Franglais:
Another Brexiteer getting it all horribly wrong… lbc.co.uk/news/rees-mogg-ad … -queues-a/
Again.
Apart from the squirming, avoiding eye contact with the camera, mumbling and generally looking like a kid with his hands in the sweetie jar, it is worth listening to for other reasons.
Now he admits that there are actually queues in Dover…no kidding. But it is the fault of the French. Ah, of course.
Us “taking back control”, doesn`t mean we cant go on blaming someone else does it? Well, not in his world.
Nick Ferrari is hardly giving him a hard time (did he learn his interview technique from Uriah Heep?) so maybe I could point out a wee bit of what some journos call “talking bollox” being indulged in here.
So, the end of the right of free movement was the result of Brexit. The rules for 3rd countries existed before we left the EU.
Neither the French nor the EU invented them just to spite us. All written down for any Gov minister to read, assuming they could be arsed to do so of course. When we were members of the EU we helped to form those rules.
It is disingenuous (■■■■■■■■) to suggest that it was unforseeable that 3rd country rules would be applied to us when we chose to become a 3rd country. It smacks of the attitude of privilage and exceptionalism that is spread throughout the present rotten Government.
The Portuguese do have e-gates it is true.
Two things about that.
Firstly, Rees-Mogg has already said that the French border controls are in Dover: the infrastructure, the insufficient number of booths, is all provided by Dover. When Dover asked for more booths a couple of years ago, Rees-Mogg`s Gov said “No”.
Secondly, e-gates are for people…they work well in airports where people walk onto aeroplanes. They do not work well in ports where people are in cars, coaches etc. He is spouting nonsense (■■■■■■■■) comparing an airport with a ferry port*.
It seems that he once OK with queues being in Calais and not in Dover? Why?
If I was a holiday maker I am very sure I wouldnt want to be queuing to cross a border be it in Dover, or Calais or anywhere. Does it make a difference whether the delays caused by Brexit are north or south of the Channel? It neednt have happened.
As said before, come this autumn the new passport controls will come on line.
Can hardly say “watch this space” there isn`t any.
I got about 3 sentences in then thought I can’t be bothered!
Let me guess … whinge, cry, whinge, its not fair, link, whinge, link, dismiss someone’s else opinion as rubbish because only yours counts, whinge.
Don`t bother looking for a Brexit argument, just use words to attack a poster like “gloat” or “remoaner” or that old favourite “petulant child”. Convincing yourself that a person is not worth listening to is so much easier than actually discussing the topic at hand.
adam277:
What I find odd with the remoaners or whatever they are called is that they seem to be basking in the failure of the country. It actually brings joy to them that we are probably heading for a recession.
Apparently I voted remain. But honestly, I’d happily vote for brexit if the vote happened again.
I remember during the Greek Financial crisis of 2009 I believe. The Finance Minister stated the countries biggest mistake was in joining the EU. But he also stated that under no circumstances should Greece leave the European Union as for the country it would be worse.
I think it would be similar for the UK. Yea, it is bad that the UK has left the EU but what would be worse is rejoining the EU.
What’s done is done.
As for the longer delays at the border? Don’t care lol. If you ever tried entering Australia or New Zealand you’d know they do not rush and seem to manage fine.
Seems the main cause of the delays are just the extra holiday makers looking for a cheap trip.
I also think there is a bit of ■■■ for tat for leaving the EU as well. We knew this was going to be an issue. What do I mean by this? The European Union has a policy of making sure any deal whatsoever with the UK has to be inferior to any previous deal. Because the UK can not be seen to benefit from leaving the EU.
Rejoining the EU tomorrow isnt an option. It probably wouldnt be a good idea if it was.
Rejoining at some future point?
All over the world countries are signing free trade deals and going for more trading openness. Why on earth would we rule out a better free trade deal with one of the biggest trade groups? And one that is our nearest neighbour?
When queuing to enter Aus or NZ are you in an air-conditioned airport arrivals hall, with toilets, etc? Or sat in a car on a motorway for 12 hrs? Has that queue always been there, or has it appeared because of recent changes? Was it foreseen, but a solution to it ignored?
“Extra holiday makers” Are there more than in previous years? I have heard some suggest this, is that a fact or spin?
adam277:
What I find odd with the remoaners or whatever they are called is that they seem to be basking in the failure of the country. It actually brings joy to them that we are probably heading for a recession.
.
Exactly they see Brexit as a failure which is up to them, but like I said they’re actually gloating over what they believe to be true.
What a particularly bizarre point of view.
If there is a problem anywhere it needs fixing.
It can only be fixed if the cause of the problem is first identified.
No point in changing fuel filters if your spark plug is broken.
No point in leaving the EU, if the EU isnt the cause of your problems. Refusing to open ones eyes and see what is going on is no way to start understanding a problem.
Saying Brexit is going well, is doing exactly that.
The sheer stupidity of Rees-Mogg firstly talking about queues in Calais, then the Gov refusing to see the looming problems with passports, and even now finding false reasons and talking sheer nonsense will do nothing to help the country.
We all make mistakes. A mistake isn`t stupidity.
Not admitting mistakes, and learning form them is.
tmcassett:
Franglais:
Another Brexiteer getting it all horribly wrong… lbc.co.uk/news/rees-mogg-ad … -queues-a/
Again.
Apart from the squirming, avoiding eye contact with the camera, mumbling and generally looking like a kid with his hands in the sweetie jar, it is worth listening to for other reasons.
Now he admits that there are actually queues in Dover…no kidding. But it is the fault of the French. Ah, of course.
Us “taking back control”, doesn`t mean we cant go on blaming someone else does it? Well, not in his world.
Nick Ferrari is hardly giving him a hard time (did he learn his interview technique from Uriah Heep?) so maybe I could point out a wee bit of what some journos call “talking bollox” being indulged in here.
So, the end of the right of free movement was the result of Brexit. The rules for 3rd countries existed before we left the EU.
Neither the French nor the EU invented them just to spite us. All written down for any Gov minister to read, assuming they could be arsed to do so of course. When we were members of the EU we helped to form those rules.
It is disingenuous (■■■■■■■■) to suggest that it was unforseeable that 3rd country rules would be applied to us when we chose to become a 3rd country. It smacks of the attitude of privilage and exceptionalism that is spread throughout the present rotten Government.
The Portuguese do have e-gates it is true.
Two things about that.
Firstly, Rees-Mogg has already said that the French border controls are in Dover: the infrastructure, the insufficient number of booths, is all provided by Dover. When Dover asked for more booths a couple of years ago, Rees-Mogg`s Gov said “No”.
Secondly, e-gates are for people…they work well in airports where people walk onto aeroplanes. They do not work well in ports where people are in cars, coaches etc. He is spouting nonsense (■■■■■■■■) comparing an airport with a ferry port*.
It seems that he once OK with queues being in Calais and not in Dover? Why?
If I was a holiday maker I am very sure I wouldnt want to be queuing to cross a border be it in Dover, or Calais or anywhere. Does it make a difference whether the delays caused by Brexit are north or south of the Channel? It neednt have happened.
As said before, come this autumn the new passport controls will come on line.
Can hardly say “watch this space” there isn`t any.
I got about 3 sentences in then thought I can’t be bothered!
Let me guess … whinge, cry, whinge, its not fair, link, whinge, link, dismiss someone’s else opinion as rubbish because only yours counts, whinge.
Don`t bother looking for a Brexit argument, just use words to attack a poster like “gloat” or “remoaner” or that old favourite “petulant child”. Convincing yourself that a person is not worth listening to is so much easier than actually discussing the topic at hand.
Yep, you`re still refusing to talk about Brexit. Still refusing to discuss what is happening in the real world.
Here are some more delusional characters. youtube.com/watch?v=IUiJxH2pclM
tmcassett:
I got about 3 sentences in then thought I can’t be bothered!
Let me guess … whinge, cry, whinge, its not fair, link, whinge, link, dismiss someone’s else opinion as rubbish because only yours counts, whinge.
Don`t bother looking for a Brexit argument, just use words to attack a poster like “gloat” or “remoaner” or that old favourite “petulant child”. Convincing yourself that a person is not worth listening to is so much easier than actually discussing the topic at hand.
Why do I need to look for a Brexit argument, it’s happened so deal with it like the rest of us are.
tmcassett:
Why do I need to look for a Brexit argument,
hhmmm. Difficult one.
Why would you look for a Brexit argument to make a post in… a Brexit thread…?
tmcassett:
, it’s happened.
Has Brexit “happened”…Well, no it hasnt. The vote happened 6 years ago, Brexit still hasnt happened, as anyone taking the trouble to actually read some of the posts above* will have known.
*Those that actually have Brexit discussion in them.
GORDON 50:
Has that queue always been there, or has it appeared because of recent changes? Was it foreseen, but a solution to it ignored?
So if the above is true then the situation at Dover will never return to some sort of normality…we’ll wait and see!
Unless the Gov face up to the existence of the problem, and actually do summat about it, then it seems likely that yes it will continue.
If they do summat sensible, then it will get better.
Is the situation going to change if nothing is done?
What do you think? Likely or not?
"well wait and see" hasnt been a stunning success so far.
Yep, you`re still refusing to talk about Brexit. Still refusing to discuss what is happening in the real world.
Here are some more delusional characters. youtube.com/watch?v=IUiJxH2pclM
I think we need another Covid outbreak so you can give this stuff a rest for a while.
No “extra” cars this year in Q2. In fact a lot less than pre covid.
Q3 figures not yet here.
Interestingly if brexit did not happen and lets say an extra 250k holiday makers used the ferry’s then we would be in a similar position.
Now I can not say for a certainty if we stayed in the EU that P&O would not of pulled what they did.
I also think DFDS have had their own issues as well
The issue at the ports to me seems partly a covid issue. It is no shock with the airports that you furlough almost everyone while issuing a ■■■■ ton of redundancies to staff that you now do not have enough staff to cover the peak holiday travel times.
In my view one of the stupidest things this government did was shut down the country for the best part of a year due to covid and then paid people to stay at home. It is hard to separate what percentage of the issue at the ports is down to covid or down to brexit.
I think this is the mentality you need to have now. There are deals out there that are better that need to be made. From government all the way down to small businesses and individuals. Change brings opportunity.
Again, though. Is the issues with energy down to Brexit? Probably not it is down to this governments stupid role in Ukraine.
My personal belief is this government is complete ■■■■. They ■■■■■■ up Brexit and they are now ■■■■■■■ us all with the war in Ukraine in which we have no place messing with.
adam277:
Interestingly if brexit did not happen and lets say an extra 250k holiday makers used the ferry’s then we would be in a similar position.
Now I can not say for a certainty if we stayed in the EU that P&O would not of pulled what they did.
I also think DFDS have had their own issues as well
Are DFDS and P&O anything to do with queues at passport booths? Are there 250,000 extra passengers?
No and No.
adam277:
The issue at the ports to me seems partly a covid issue. It is no shock with the airports that you furlough almost everyone while issuing a [zb] ton of redundancies to staff that you now do not have enough staff to cover the peak holiday travel times
Brace yourself: Dover is not an airport!
What does the shortage of staff at airports have to do with queues at passport booths in a port?
No.
adam277:
In my view one of the stupidest things this government did was shut down the country for the best part of a year due to covid and then paid people to stay at home. It is hard to separate what percentage of the issue at the ports is down to covid or down to brexit.
What percentage of having only 5 passport booths for 50 boats a day is down to covid?
adam277: youtube.com/watch?v=IUiJxH2pclM
I think this is the mentality you need to have now. There are deals out there that are better that need to be made
Yep, bring on “the pasty of independence”!
What better deals have we made? What better deals are in the offing?
The “grass is always greener” innit.
)
…on the other hand, maybe he’d avoid me like herpes…or hit me .
