the maoster:
Seems to be a thing this not seeing the whole picture.
Well, I certainly did.
I took the trouble to scroll down and not rely on the headlines…
No need for assumptions on what the message is then, is there?
I didn’t. Care to guess why I didn’t? It’s because I can’t change it, therefore I refuse to waste energy on it. I prefer to affect things that it’s within my power to affect. Try it sometime, you may like it.
Dali Lama or someother fella 1856.
the nodding donkey:
wakou:
There are some here who have convinced themselves that “the French” are making things difficult, deliberately and for no reason.
Wait until they find out about the “Attestation d’Accueil”…
This is French law, and COULD be applied right now to ANYONE visiting France from a third country, yes that includes GB, even though we are “special”. If the French were truly determined to bugger things up, it would be that easy. They could simply ask every visitor at entry for their “Attestation”, and turn back those who do not have one. (ie EVERYONE!).
In short. If you are going to France to stay with friends or family, the people you are visiting must go to the local town hall and fill out a lengthy form, they must bring proof they they are home-owners etc, with details of the size of house, how many rooms etc. And the details of each visitor, DOB, passport number etc. This must be done BEFORE the visitors enter France.Here is an article giving the details. This rule is not enforced… YET!
Explainer: visits to family in France and rules for hosting formsIf you read the whole article, you’ll find that British Citizens ( and Americans, amongst some others) don’t need one of these documents.
You only need it if you need a visa. And you don’t need one of those.
Well, not yet anyway…
I did mention that this law is not being applied to UK passport holders, yet. My point was, IF the French wanted to make life difficult, it would take only a nod from a grumpy “ministre de l’Intérieur” …
But we have taken control of our borders, haven’t we?
wakou:
the nodding donkey:
wakou:
There are some here who have convinced themselves that “the French” are making things difficult, deliberately and for no reason.
Wait until they find out about the “Attestation d’Accueil”…
This is French law, and COULD be applied right now to ANYONE visiting France from a third country, yes that includes GB, even though we are “special”. If the French were truly determined to bugger things up, it would be that easy. They could simply ask every visitor at entry for their “Attestation”, and turn back those who do not have one. (ie EVERYONE!).
In short. If you are going to France to stay with friends or family, the people you are visiting must go to the local town hall and fill out a lengthy form, they must bring proof they they are home-owners etc, with details of the size of house, how many rooms etc. And the details of each visitor, DOB, passport number etc. This must be done BEFORE the visitors enter France.Here is an article giving the details. This rule is not enforced… YET!
Explainer: visits to family in France and rules for hosting formsIf you read the whole article, you’ll find that British Citizens ( and Americans, amongst some others) don’t need one of these documents.
You only need it if you need a visa. And you don’t need one of those.
Well, not yet anyway…
I did mention that this law is not being applied to UK passport holders, yet. My point was, IF the French wanted to make life difficult, it would take only a nod from a grumpy “ministre de l’Intérieur” …
But we have taken control of our borders, haven’t we?
Well, that’s what 17 million voters voted for. Keeping Johnny foreigner out.
Can’t blame the French for doing the same… 
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It does make me laugh Hour much putting whinge about the French making things difficult with the kings of making things difficult, no one else comes close.
switchlogic:
It does make me laugh Hour much putting whinge about the French making things difficult with the kings of making things difficult, no one else comes close.
As a (warning! stereotyping ahead) national trait that may be so. 
But as an individual Johnson is doing OK:
Harder to export goods
Harder to import goods*
Harder to move goods between UK provinces
Increased border controls for persons entering and leaving the UK
Increased taxes
*Admittedly it is easier to import from Aus and NZ now. Ask any UK farmers how ■■■■■■■ excellent that is!
(If your own family benefits from a few pence price cut however, dont worry, fellow Brits suffering wont affect Jack at all)
Not the best video, but notable for something
youtube.com/watch?v=m3zPES8JKb4
Richard Tice getting it all wrong…hardly a revelation, I know.
Passport queues at Dover, but not Portsmouth or Southampton he repeatedly says.
There are no French passport controls at Pompey as that is done at the port of entry in France. The queues are there.
There are no passport controls in Southampton, because no passports are needed for the Isle of Wight.
Franglais:
Not the best video, but notable for something
youtube.com/watch?v=m3zPES8JKb4Richard Tice getting it all wrong…hardly a revelation, I know.
Passport queues at Dover, but not Portsmouth or Southampton he repeatedly says.
There are no French passport controls at Pompey as that is done at the port of entry in France. The queues are there.
There are no passport controls in Southampton, because no passports are needed for the Isle of Wight.
But they are needed for the US.
Ironically US immigration and border staff travel on the transatlantic passenger shipping and clear all border formalities on route.Dont ask me what happens in the case of any refusals.
So no queues in NY port unlike the US airport border control.
Haven’t seen anyone say that we have to declare ourselves a US state to avoid US border controls if that’s what you’re saying.
So you’re saying that ferries are all queuing to dock at Le Havre and Caen and Hook of Holland and Zeebrugge waiting for passengers to clear border control.Same applied at Calais pre 1973 ?.
The truth is the remainers and their French comrades are kicking and screaming with the intent of reversing BREXIT taking advantage of the fake BREXIT lifeline that the Tories have given them.They are clearly selectively hitting the Dover route creating needless aggro to that aim.
Another Brexiteer getting it all horribly wrong…
lbc.co.uk/news/rees-mogg-ad … -queues-a/
Again.
Apart from the squirming, avoiding eye contact with the camera, mumbling and generally looking like a kid with his hands in the sweetie jar, it is worth listening to for other reasons.
Now he admits that there are actually queues in Dover…no kidding.
But it is the fault of the French. Ah, of course.
Us “taking back control”, doesn`t mean we cant go on blaming someone else does it? Well, not in his world.
Nick Ferrari is hardly giving him a hard time (did he learn his interview technique from Uriah Heep?) so maybe I could point out a wee bit of what some journos call “talking bollox” being indulged in here.
So, the end of the right of free movement was the result of Brexit. The rules for 3rd countries existed before we left the EU.
Neither the French nor the EU invented them just to spite us. All written down for any Gov minister to read, assuming they could be arsed to do so of course. When we were members of the EU we helped to form those rules.
It is disingenuous (■■■■■■■■) to suggest that it was unforseeable that 3rd country rules would be applied to us when we chose to become a 3rd country. It smacks of the attitude of privilage and exceptionalism that is spread throughout the present rotten Government.
The Portuguese do have e-gates it is true.
Two things about that.
Firstly, Rees-Mogg has already said that the French border controls are in Dover: the infrastructure, the insufficient number of booths, is all provided by Dover. When Dover asked for more booths a couple of years ago, Rees-Mogg`s Gov said “No”.
Secondly, e-gates are for people…they work well in airports where people walk onto aeroplanes. They do not work well in ports where people are in cars, coaches etc. He is spouting nonsense (■■■■■■■■) comparing an airport with a ferry port*.
It seems that he once OK with queues being in Calais and not in Dover? Why?
If I was a holiday maker I am very sure I wouldnt want to be queuing to cross a border be it in Dover, or Calais or anywhere. Does it make a difference whether the delays caused by Brexit are north or south of the Channel? It neednt have happened.
- As said before, come this autumn the new passport controls will come on line.
Can hardly say “watch this space” there isn`t any.
Edit to add:
Dover has given the French 5 passport booths for cars. About 50 boats per day.
Caen has about 4 for cars. 3 boats per day.
Spot the difference anyone?
Franglais:
Another Brexiteer getting it all horribly wrong…
lbc.co.uk/news/rees-mogg-ad … -queues-a/
Again.
Apart from the squirming, avoiding eye contact with the camera, mumbling and generally looking like a kid with his hands in the sweetie jar, it is worth listening to for other reasons.Now he admits that there are actually queues in Dover…no kidding.
But it is the fault of the French. Ah, of course.
Us “taking back control”, doesn`t mean we cant go on blaming someone else does it? Well, not in his world.Nick Ferrari is hardly giving him a hard time (did he learn his interview technique from Uriah Heep?) so maybe I could point out a wee bit of what some journos call “talking bollox” being indulged in here.
So, the end of the right of free movement was the result of Brexit. The rules for 3rd countries existed before we left the EU.
Neither the French nor the EU invented them just to spite us. All written down for any Gov minister to read, assuming they could be arsed to do so of course. When we were members of the EU we helped to form those rules.
It is disingenuous (■■■■■■■■) to suggest that it was unforseeable that 3rd country rules would be applied to us when we chose to become a 3rd country. It smacks of the attitude of privilage and exceptionalism that is spread throughout the present rotten Government.The Portuguese do have e-gates it is true.
Two things about that.
Firstly, Rees-Mogg has already said that the French border controls are in Dover: the infrastructure, the insufficient number of booths, is all provided by Dover. When Dover asked for more booths a couple of years ago, Rees-Mogg`s Gov said “No”.
Secondly, e-gates are for people…they work well in airports where people walk onto aeroplanes. They do not work well in ports where people are in cars, coaches etc. He is spouting nonsense (■■■■■■■■) comparing an airport with a ferry port*.It seems that he once OK with queues being in Calais and not in Dover? Why?
If I was a holiday maker I am very sure I wouldnt want to be queuing to cross a border be it in Dover, or Calais or anywhere. Does it make a difference whether the delays caused by Brexit are north or south of the Channel? It neednt have happened.
- As said before, come this autumn the new passport controls will come on line.
Can hardly say “watch this space” there isn`t any.
I got about 3 sentences in then thought I can’t be bothered!
Let me guess … whinge, cry, whinge, its not fair, link, whinge, link, dismiss someone’s else opinion as rubbish because only yours counts, whinge.
tmcassett:
I got about 3 sentences in then thought I can’t be bothered!Let me guess … whinge, cry, whinge, its not fair,
Yep.
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Rees-Mogg off to a tee. Moaning and whinging about Johnny Foreigner again.
Seriously Franglais all jokes and wind ups aside, I’ve got to point out to you in a friendly way that you’re actually coming across as being a bit manic on this subject.
I’m.imagining your delivery on these posts to be akin to the style of Adolf at a Nuremburg rally.
It’s like you are on some kind of one man crusade to both convince and convert people about what you perceive to be a mistake…Brexit obviously
Post after post it’s as if you are gloating over what you believe to be,.and convinced to be right,.and strongly putting across that those with a contrary view are inept fools that have made some colossal error in their lives…Sorry to tell you, it ain’t working mate. 
I know you love and expect football analogies from me, so it’s a bit like trying to tell a lifelong fan of a particular club that he is supporting the wrong team, urging him/her to change their allegiance…it ain’t gonna happen bud, no matter how much you incessantly bang on about it all . 
Just saying like.
robroy:
Seriously Franglais all jokes and wind ups aside, I’ve got to point out to you in a friendly way that you’re actually coming across as being a bit manic on this subject.
I’m.inagining your delivery on these posts to be akin to the style of Adolf at a Nuremburg rally.
It’s like you are on some kind of one man crusade to both convince and convert people about what you perceive to be a mistake…Brexit obviouslyPost after post it’s as if you are gloating over what you believe to be,.and convinced to be right,.and strongly putting across that those with a contrary view are inept fools that have made some colossal error in their lives…Sorry to tell you, it ain’t working mate.
I know you love and expect football analogies from me, so it’s a bit like trying to tell a lifelong fan of a particular club that he is supporting the wrong team, urging him/her to change their allegiance…it ain’t gonna happen bud, no matter how much you incessantlybang on about it all .
Just saying like.
Football analogy?
Go for the ball, not the man.
In the Brexit thread, try talking about Brexit…
Talk about the subject or the post. Not the poster.
Don`t “incessantly bang on” about your analysis of the character of the poster.
You have posted on every one of the past ten pages.
Honestly, for someone who tells us they dont care, you are "coming across a bit manic". Its like you are “on a one man crusade” to stop discussion on this subject.
Or maybe I’ve got some kind of bizzare fascination in observing a guy who appears to be on some sort of frustration based meltdown.
robroy:
Or maybe I’ve got some kind of bizzare fascination in observing a guy who appears to be on some sort of frustration based meltdown.
The posts certainly are getting more and more rabid. Is Frangers on course for a Herr Kloss meltdown? Its like watching Eastenders, Corry and Brookside all in one.
"The decision of a one-day referendum cannot determine a nation’s long-term destiny, as Brexiteers must agree.
Otherwise, they would have accepted that the argument ended in 1975, when Britain voted by more than two votes to one to remain in the Common Market"
Roy Hattersley 31/07/2022
whisperingsmith:
"The decision of a one-day referendum cannot determine a nation’s long-term destiny, as Brexiteers must agree.
Otherwise, they would have accepted that the argument ended in 1975, when Britain voted by more than two votes to one to remain in the Common Market"
Roy Hattersley 31/07/2022
I would imagine that we day we will want to re-enter the EU.
Cant see them letting us back under the same terms as before, and I cant see them wanting us back under any terms, unless there is some sort of cross party unity about it either.
Of course at the moment there is no unity. Time will tell.
robroy:
Or maybe I’ve got some kind of bizzare fascination in observing a guy who appears to be on some sort of frustration based meltdown.
come on, the guy works in cross border road transport, his daily routine has become far more complicated slow and frustrating due to the excess of red tape that your winning voted caused you cant blame him for feeling that way, he deals with it every day you dont
just because it doesnt affect you, a friend of mine lost his job due to the end of free movement, an english guy who worked ski season in france btw, theres plenty of news stories about entire businesses shutting down and setting up in the EU, this has been a bad situation for so many people, have a little empathy
chrisdalott:
come on, the guy works in cross border road transport, his daily routine has become far more complicated slow and frustrating due to the excess of red tape that your winning voted caused you cant blame him for feeling that way, he deals with it every day you dont
As it happens Im on the cusp of retirement. Brexit means that the idea of continuing on and off in what once was a pleasurable (within limits) job, is looking less likely. I am as upset for others, as much as for myself. My chances (and RobRoys) of getting a drive in foreign lands was an easy one to take. Others to-day havent got so much chance, and it aint about to get easier.
chrisdalott:
an english guy who worked ski season in france
Youngsters chances to study or take holiday or other jobs abroad has been curtailed. Its a shame for them.
Hopefully the majority aren`t as ■■? as some of the posters on this thread.
We all are entitled to our opinions.
If some think that increased import and export paperwork, extra taxes to pay for more civil servants, extra queues at ports, failing balance of payments figures, are good things they are perfectly entitled to that opinion.
chrisdalott:
robroy:
Or maybe I’ve got some kind of bizzare fascination in observing a guy who appears to be on some sort of frustration based meltdown.come on, the guy works in cross border road transport, his daily routine has become far more complicated slow and frustrating due to the excess of red tape that your winning voted caused you cant blame him for feeling that way, he deals with it every day you dont
just because it doesnt affect you, a friend of mine lost his job due to the end of free movement, an english guy who worked ski season in france btw, theres plenty of news stories about entire businesses shutting down and setting up in the EU, this has been a bad situation for so many people, have a little empathy
Well that’s me put in my place eh? 
Sorry to hear about your mates, it’s tough losing a job in any situation.
As for my comments and observations on Franglais…
I understand he’s dissatisfied by the situation, and as for empathy yeh,.I’ve done Euro myself,.I can imagine things being a bit of a pain in the arse now, but how does constant and incessant belly aching about the political side of things achieve anything?
There is stuff in my work and job that does not suit me, and yeah I’ll have a moan about it to anybody who will listen, and sometimes I’ll come on here and comment on the same.
But c’mon ffs, this surpasses concern, the guy is obsessed, sure he’s entitled to his opinion, he’s entitled to complain, but come on…over and over (and over) again?
He’s usual.answer is ‘don’t read the thread’ but bizarrely I find it entertaining albeit for all the wrong reasons.
Don’t get the wrong idea, I’ve nothing against Franglais,he seems ok,.and 9 times out of 10 takes criticism in good part, (unlike some absolute ■■■■ fruit cakes I’ve crossed on here 
)
I reckon if we ever met up I would not be averse to having a pint with him…as long as we avoided the ‘B’ word. …on the other hand, maybe he’d avoid me like herpes…or hit me .
So just observations and comments mate, in the spirit of the forum, nothing more nothing less.