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wakou:
There are some here who have convinced themselves that “the French” are making things difficult, deliberately and for no reason.
Wait until they find out about the “Attestation d’Accueil”…
This is French law, and COULD be applied right now to ANYONE visiting France from a third country, yes that includes GB, even though we are “special”. If the French were truly determined to bugger things up, it would be that easy. They could simply ask every visitor at entry for their “Attestation”, and turn back those who do not have one. (ie EVERYONE!).
In short. If you are going to France to stay with friends or family, the people you are visiting must go to the local town hall and fill out a lengthy form, they must bring proof they they are home-owners etc, with details of the size of house, how many rooms etc. And the details of each visitor, DOB, passport number etc. This must be done BEFORE the visitors enter France.

Here is an article giving the details. This rule is not enforced… YET!
Explainer: visits to family in France and rules for hosting forms

If you read the whole article, you’ll find that British Citizens ( and Americans, amongst some others) don’t need one of these documents.

You only need it if you need a visa. And you don’t need one of those.

Well, not yet anyway… :grimacing:

2085

Quote Frangers; ‘’
Brexit is IMHO a generally bad thing for the UK’’ …unquote.

:open_mouth: In your opinion?
No ■■■■,.we would NEVER have known. :unamused: :laughing:

Did you have ‘‘Land of Hope and Glory’’ playing in the background when you composed that? :laughing:
I’m getting the vibe that your ‘soliloquy’ was in fact a ‘summing up’ a final ‘epilogue’, last word on the (done to death by you/exhaustive) subject.

Praise be to God,.we can only live in hope. :laughing:

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Franglais:

msgyorkie:
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7000? Yep no problem there thanks to Brexit and the financial boost to my wages that came with it. Yes a Brexit bonus that you keep asking for! :smiley:

You are better off because of Brexit? (Maybe so*)
Because of a shortage of drivers you are being paid more?
There is a shortage of drivers in Poland, Germany, USA, too. They haven`t all exited the EU and are getting pay rises too.

msgyorkie:
The point I am making is that 14 days is all I require.

Point clearly made.

The drama queens should note that our loss of freedom of movement, doesnt mean we are being banned from travel, and extra rules apply, but they wont all be used every time. Wakou makes this point above

*Brexit is IMHO a generally bad thing for the UK.

The company where I have been working the past several years have been making more money because of Brexit.
I had a pay rise too.
Because of the Brexit problems trucks are now generally running out empty more than they were before. Less time wasted on paperwork issues and less fuel burned.
Importers are paying more now because fewer UK trucks are leaving the UK loaded, and looking for backloads, and EU hauliers aren`t so keen to come to the UK, so are putting rates up.
Our office staff numbers ahve been increased to deal with Brexit paper work, and our customers are paying for this.

And guess what? Consumers, are all paying extra to cover the extra money that importers are paying to my boss.

It is indeed an ill wind that blows no good at all.
Brexit doesnt mean that every single person will lose out, in every aspect of their life. Nothing (mostly) is that bad. But as a whole Brexit is a bad thing. In the paragraph above, Ive said that my boss is better off. That is at the cost of increased retail prices for the goods he hauls into the UK. Good for him, but not good for the country.
Increased paperwork, duplication of rules, extra infrastructure, extra civil servants, are all costs that decrease the competitiveness of UK PLC. Madness.
And what isn`t good for the country as a whole will become a drag on all of us. A failing economy will depress wages for all of us.

And just to repeat, yes, some will be better off under the new Brexit we have.
Mostly not the companies making stuff, mostly not consumers buying stuff, but those multinationals who create nothing, but make money from the confusion of volatile markets.
Yep, there are some winners. Mostly not ordinary people though.

When i vote for a political party at local/borough or national elections I vote for the party or candidate that will be beneficial for myself or my family. I couldn’t give a rats ■■■ if Tarquin can no spend his gap year tossing it off around Europe. I voted Brexit to benefit myself and my immediate family.
The ending of free movement goes bothways and stopping uncontrolled mass immigration has benefitted both myself and my family.
How many times do you have to be told of a Brexit bonus that someone is enjoying?

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msgyorkie:
When i vote for a political party at local/borough or national elections I vote for the party or candidate that will be beneficial for myself or my family. I couldn’t give a rats ■■■ if Tarquin can no spend his gap year tossing it off around Europe. I voted Brexit to benefit myself and my immediate family.
The ending of free movement goes bothways and stopping uncontrolled mass immigration has benefitted both myself and my family.
How many times do you have to be told of a Brexit bonus that someone is enjoying?

Whether or not you give a rat`s arse about Tarquin having a gap year, or studying at a world class university outside of the UK, or science knowledge and security info being exchanged freely, has been made very clear. No need to repeat how self centred you are.

You as a lorry driver are enjoying better wages? Good.
So are lorry drivers in other EU and further flung countries. How you can say that is all down to Brexit is a mystery to me.

As free movement will make it harder for many Brits to have a retirement or spend the winter in other EU countries,as years pass there will be more of a strain put on the already creaking NHS.
But if your pay increase means you and your family dont need the NHS, I guess your previous posts cover that too. You dont give a rat`s arse.

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Franglais:

msgyorkie:
When i vote for a political party at local/borough or national elections I vote for the party or candidate that will be beneficial for myself or my family. I couldn’t give a rats ■■■ if Tarquin can no spend his gap year tossing it off around Europe. I voted Brexit to benefit myself and my immediate family.
The ending of free movement goes bothways and stopping uncontrolled mass immigration has benefitted both myself and my family.
How many times do you have to be told of a Brexit bonus that someone is enjoying?

Whether or not you give a rat`s arse about Tarquin having a gap year, or studying at a world class university outside of the UK, or science knowledge and security info being exchanged freely, has been made very clear. No need to repeat how self centred you are.

You as a lorry driver are enjoying better wages? Good.
So are lorry drivers in other EU and further flung countries. How you can say that is all down to Brexit is a mystery to me.

As free movement will make it harder for many Brits to have a retirement or spend the winter in other EU countries,as years pass there will be more of a strain put on the already creaking NHS.
But if your pay increase means you and your family dont need the NHS, I guess your previous posts cover that too. You dont give a rat`s arse.

So are you telling me when you put a cross beside a name on a voting slip you are NOT thinking of you and yours but are instead thinking about the multi millionaire or the rabid nutter who is spreading bile or anybody else??

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Franglais:

msgyorkie:
When i vote for a political party at local/borough or national elections I vote for the party or candidate that will be beneficial for myself or my family. I couldn’t give a rats ■■■ if Tarquin can no spend his gap year tossing it off around Europe. I voted Brexit to benefit myself and my immediate family.
The ending of free movement goes bothways and stopping uncontrolled mass immigration has benefitted both myself and my family.
How many times do you have to be told of a Brexit bonus that someone is enjoying?

Whether or not you give a rat`s arse about Tarquin having a gap year, or studying at a world class university outside of the UK, or science knowledge and security info being exchanged freely, has been made very clear. No need to repeat how self centred you are.

You as a lorry driver are enjoying better wages? Good.
So are lorry drivers in other EU and further flung countries. How you can say that is all down to Brexit is a mystery to me.

As free movement will make it harder for many Brits to have a retirement or spend the winter in other EU countries,as years pass there will be more of a strain put on the already creaking NHS.
But if your pay increase means you and your family dont need the NHS, I guess your previous posts cover that too. You dont give a rat`s arse.

Ah well it looks like I built my hopes up for nothing, …he’s still prattling on about it, so I feel duty bound in my capacity as a wind up merchant to respond. :laughing:

Speaking as another proud prolific self confessed self centred individual I too couldn’t give a rat’s ■■■ about Tarquin, I only give a rat’s ■■■ about myself my family and my friends, it’s called being streetwise,. it’s about self survival in an uncaring world,. it’s law of the jungle in Realworld, eat or be eaten, kill or be killed (ok,.fair enough the last bit is a bit dramatic :blush: :laughing: )
So that in mind I’m better off for the Brexirt state of play presently,.in terms of wages, if that changes next week I won’t be joining you in the bleating, I’ll deal with it as I do everything else in life,.as I always do, and always have done normal service, nothing to see.
Rock on. :sunglasses:

Btw your quote; :laughing: :open_mouth: …the absolutel grade A irony here.
‘‘How you can say that is all down to Brexit is a mystery to me’’
That answer or retort could be applied to the majority of your posts on this… :bulb: :unamused:

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Franglais:
Whether or not you give a rat`s arse about Tarquin having a gap year, or studying at a world class university outside of the UK, or science knowledge and security info being exchanged freely, has been made very clear. No need to repeat how self centred you are.

You as a lorry driver are enjoying better wages? Good.
So are lorry drivers in other EU and further flung countries. How you can say that is all down to Brexit is a mystery to me.

As free movement will make it harder for many Brits to have a retirement or spend the winter in other EU countries,as years pass there will be more of a strain put on the already creaking NHS.
But if your pay increase means you and your family dont need the NHS, I guess your previous posts cover that too. You dont give a rat`s arse.

I would have thought if there was anything that was going to give the NHS a fighting chance going forward it is the end of uncontrolled mass immigration into the country (thanks to Brexit) when we already had an ageing and increasing population as it was.

Not sure why you and a couple of others on this thread can’t seem to grasp that an awful lot of people in this country are happy going abroad for 2 or 3 weeks for their jollies and that’s it. The fact it is now a lot harder or not possible to stay longer than 90 days is a non issue for most.

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msgyorkie:
So are you telling me when you put a cross beside a name on a voting slip you are NOT thinking of you and yours but are instead thinking about the multi millionaire or the rabid nutter who is spreading bile or anybody else??

I am aware of rabid nutters, and the toadies of the very rich, both UK and foreign who have vested interests in Brexit.
I differentiate between those who have UK businesses and properly seek to manufacture and export goods for all our benefits and pay legitimate tax, and those who seek to extract monies from any source, in any country, and owe allegiance nowhere: those who want countries to drop standards and taxes to increase their own selfish profits.

I have heard of farmers, fishers, manufacturers in the UK want no Brexit, but the international conglomerate want an end to paying their taxes in countries where they are happy to extract profit.

I am aware that the nutters, toadies, and multi-millionaires, raise the EU as the cause of every economic woe we have had for years, as the cause of the stagnation of the economy, that is actually caused by under investment and profit taking.
The immigrant labour isnt the cause of the rising difference between workers pay and owners bonuses! They dont volunteer for pay cuts. Poor oversight of wages and conditions by a “light touch” (race to the bottom) Gov does that.
“Free competition” the God of the rich, is no friend to workers and their Unions.

The nutters have no interest in the future of our country. They are, or are paid by, international investors. They don`t care that their tax cuts for the rich results in underinvestment in NHS and Schools etc. They take money out with clever fiscal manipulation, and without investing in actual manufacturing plant etc. The UK has poor productivity although we have high employment. Management of companies to profit from short term gains, allowed partly by mismanagement of the economic levers available to govern the economy. Other economies in the EU have done better than the UK, but the whingers in Gov still blame everyone but themselves.

The Farages, Johnsons, etc supporting the Murdochs, Banks, Putins, etc dont get any votes from me. I dont care if they promise me a short term wage rise, that won`t count for much now we have the worst performing of the developed economies*, and the whole country will pay for the increased incomes of a few.

*Ask Liz Truss!

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Franglais:

robroy:

tmcassett:
classic scaremongering from anyone desperate to find anything negative they can possibly use.

That sounds like an excellent analysis of this thread . :laughing:

Still waiting, after numerous invitations, for a list of Brexit positives we`ve had?
Rees-Mogg the Brexit Minister would probably welcome your input.

I await the predictions of what will happen 50 years from now, from those who dont trust experts, and cant predict what is happening tomorrow.
We all need a laugh.

There are no positives because trusting the party that took us in to take us out predictably resulted in fake BREXIT.
We’re still an EU member in all but name being a net contributor for the privilege of being a net importer of EU goods in exchange for our fish, gas and oil, and still tied to EU rule.
Which still means free movement of goods and people with EU but not Australia or Canada among other rules.

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tmcassett:
I would have thought if there was anything that was going to give the NHS a fighting chance going forward it is the end of uncontrolled mass immigration into the country (thanks to Brexit) when we already had an ageing and increasing population as it was.

Has this “mass immigration” resulted in hoards of unemployed on street corners? We have the highest employment for ages.
All of those are paying tax and NI.

The NHS has not been receiving funds to support the UK population for years!
The projected population growth is well documented. So is the disgraceful lying about investment by politicos.

Tax cuts for the rich, with more promised, and under investment for facilities for you and your family. Hospitals and schools seem more important than a few weeks in the sunshine to me.

2094

You are grasping at straws fella. Tax cuts for the rich would have happened regardless of in or out of the EU. Indeed I can remember having the “tax cut for the wealthy” debate in the run up to the 1992 general election when the Tory party was mired in sleaze and the fallout of the poll tax. Oh yes and we was inside the EU then.

Tax cuts for the wealthy will always happen regardless of the colour of the rosette once the brown envelopes start to get passed around in or out of the EU so I fail to see how your argument that leaving the EU will bring tax cuts as the EU does not control Income Tax rates for individul parliaments.

You really are scraping the barrel now.

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msgyorkie:
You are grasping at straws fella. Tax cuts for the rich would have happened regardless of in or out of the EU. Indeed I can remember having the “tax cut for the wealthy” debate in the run up to the 1992 general election when the Tory party was mired in sleaze and the fallout of the poll tax. Oh yes and we was inside the EU then.

Tax cuts for the wealthy will always happen regardless of the colour of the rosette once the brown envelopes start to get passed around in or out of the EU so I fail to see how your argument that leaving the EU will bring tax cuts as the EU does not control Income Tax rates for individul parliaments.

You really are scraping the barrel now.

Correct that tax cuts have been happening here regardless of whether we are in or out of the EU…
I never suggested otherwise.
I did suggest that the tax cuts, and hence underfunding of UK facilities, has been blamed on membership of the EU.
The nutters want less regulation to make us “more competitive”. Less safety net to force us into badly paid jobs, worse working conditions to cut their overheads, less open tax systems to enable “creative accountancy” and hiding of assets. (The UK is already a world leader at that)

You think that all UK politicos receive brown envelopes?
How many Crown Ministers deliberately evade their security details to have boozy un-documented meetings with foreign agents?
I can think of only one in recent times.

Any comments I what I actually said, rather than what you imagine I said?
Making up replies to imaginary posts? That isn`t scraping the barrel, that is showing the “creative genius” of a budding politician! Well done!

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msgyorkie:
You really are scraping the barrel now.

You have to give him 10/10 for persistence though! :smiley:

2097

Does anyone disagree with this ■■

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msgyorkie:
You are grasping at straws fella. Tax cuts for the rich would have happened regardless of in or out of the EU. Indeed I can remember having the “tax cut for the wealthy” debate in the run up to the 1992 general election when the Tory party was mired in sleaze and the fallout of the poll tax. Oh yes and we was inside the EU then.

Tax cuts for the wealthy will always happen regardless of the colour of the rosette once the brown envelopes start to get passed around in or out of the EU so I fail to see how your argument that leaving the EU will bring tax cuts as the EU does not control Income Tax rates for individul parliaments.

You really are scraping the barrel now.

What evidence says that the government doesn’t use income tax and VAT receipts to pay for our net contribution.
Also how else would you balance the books to meet our net trade deficit other than our oil and gas and fish added to tax cash handed over to meet the bill.
Ever since we joined the scam it’s been an economy based on austerity and borrowing and paying as much for our own oil and gas as Germany, to meet the bill.
If Enoch Powell had beaten Heath we’d have been a Tiger economy going by the economic growth of 1972.

2099

Franglais:

msgyorkie:
You are grasping at straws fella. Tax cuts for the rich would have happened regardless of in or out of the EU. Indeed I can remember having the “tax cut for the wealthy” debate in the run up to the 1992 general election when the Tory party was mired in sleaze and the fallout of the poll tax. Oh yes and we was inside the EU then.

Tax cuts for the wealthy will always happen regardless of the colour of the rosette once the brown envelopes start to get passed around in or out of the EU so I fail to see how your argument that leaving the EU will bring tax cuts as the EU does not control Income Tax rates for individul parliaments.

You really are scraping the barrel now.

Correct that tax cuts have been happening here regardless of whether we are in or out of the EU…
I never suggested otherwise.
I did suggest that the tax cuts, and hence underfunding of UK facilities, has been blamed on membership of the EU.
The nutters want less regulation to make us “more competitive”. Less safety net to force us into badly paid jobs, worse working conditions to cut their overheads, less open tax systems to enable “creative accountancy” and hiding of assets. (The UK is already a world leader at that)

You think that all UK politicos receive brown envelopes?
How many Crown Ministers deliberately evade their security details to have boozy un-documented meetings with foreign agents?
I can think of only one in recent times.

Any comments I what I actually said, rather than what you imagine I said?
Making up replies to imaginary posts? That isn`t scraping the barrel, that is showing the “creative genius” of a budding politician! Well done!

You would make a very good politician with your veiled bullshine and smoke and mirrors.
You are insinuating that exiting the EU was orchestrated by oligarchs, large business and very wealthy people to make it easier to reduce their tax obligations. I am pointing out that the ability to reduce tax obligations via lobbying has been happening since the day Parliament opened its door!

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whisperingsmith:
Does anyone disagree with this ■■
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I totally agree with this ^^^ you may be surprised to hear. I’m assuming the photo was taken in the hallowed halls of Brussels or Strasbourg when some national leader had the temerity to ask for more?

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msgyorkie:
You would make a very good politician with your veiled bullshine and smoke and mirrors.
You are insinuating that exiting the EU was orchestrated by oligarchs, large business and very wealthy people to make it easier to reduce their tax obligations. I am pointing out that the ability to reduce tax obligations via lobbying has been happening since the day Parliament opened its door!

I thought I was being quite clear in saying that foreign and multi-national businesses were happy to support Brexit?

Our new trade deals certainly haven`t been any better than any we would have had as part of the EU.
We have lost the ease and low cost of being in a free trade zone with our nearest neighbours, a major trade block, and gained nowt.

As a loner we now are in a weaker negotiating position for future deals too.

We can become “more competitive” of course, by dropping below the social and tax standards of the EU.
Who will benefit from that? Certainly not we ordinary citizens.
Those who don`t give a fig about the UK as nation, and make money from driving wages and standards down? Yes.

Was the UK mismanaged by this Gov before Brexit? Yes.
Will Brexit make it worse? Yes.

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the maoster:

whisperingsmith:
Does anyone disagree with this ■■
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I totally agree with this ^^^ you may be surprised to hear. I’m assuming the photo was taken in the hallowed halls of Brussels or Strasbourg when some national leader had the temerity to ask for more?

On my screen I didn`t see the whole picture, had to scroll down to see the comment about the UK press…

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Seems to be a thing this not seeing the whole picture.