switchlogic:
I do find it a bit comical how for many when the other side does it they are being ‘awkward’, ‘difficult’ or ‘digging their heels in’ but when jolly old Britain does exactly same thing we are just ‘standing up for what’s right’, ‘brave’ or ‘standing up for ourselves against bullies’. Either that or as increasingly happens bring up the war FFS. The actual war. Amazing how much Brexit has led to people who never have before swallowing every. Single. Government. Line.
You have made it clear over the past few years your a remainer, you might end up being right or wrong only time will tell, with so much at stake its gonna be a long drawn out affair with alot of short term pain but hopefully long term gain, just my humble opinion.
Not just a “Remainer”, but an extremist one, looking the hostility I get from the guy when I slag off the EU something rotton on here… 
the nodding donkey:
switchlogic:
I do find it a bit comical how for many when the other side does it they are being ‘awkward’, ‘difficult’ or ‘digging their heels in’ but when jolly old Britain does exactly same thing we are just ‘standing up for what’s right’, ‘brave’ or ‘standing up for ourselves against bullies’. Either that or as increasingly happens bring up the war FFS. The actual war. Amazing how much Brexit has led to people who never have before swallowing every. Single. Government. Line.
Yes, can you believe that Britain doesnt want to be ruled by a foreign power, and feels its beter off alone, but keeps telling Scotland that they are beter off as part of the UK 
Mind you, willy Nicky Kranky suffers from the opposite affliction. We want to be part of the UK, and be ruled by a far away government in Westminster, but we do want to be part of the EU, and be ruled by a far away government in Brussels.
If you play the game wrong, you can find yourself losing big with an otherwise winning hand.
If you play bad cards well - you can find a way to win, despite NEVER having a winning hand.
The movement for Scottish Independence made two fatal flaws with IndyRef1 and are likely to repeat them exactly the same in any IndyRef2 that comes along:
(1) The Scottish wanted Westminster to fund it, rather than pay for it by raising taxes at Holyroyd, that would have permitted them to call one at short notice, when the polls were still up-to-date, and in their favour
(2) The rest of the UK, in particular England - was not permitted to vote on Indyref1 - which was a FATAL error, as people like me, and a lot of other like-minded Brits - would have queued up to kick them out by voting FOR Scottish independence - had we been asked.
Last I heard, Fishlips still wants Westminster to cough up as part of the “Devo Max” scrounger charter, whilst also banning us sassenachs from having a look-in…
No lessons were learned then.
THAT is why the resident at Buckingham Palace still continues to rule Scotland. 
Winseer:
Not just a “Remainer”, but an extremist one, looking the hostility I get from the guy when I slag off the EU something rotton on here…
Awwww I’m so sorry. I didn’t realise you were so delicate. An extremist? Yup, you bet I am. I have opinions that most on would despise but I generally don’t bother you delicate souls with them.
Still waiting for this non EU Scandinavian dairy powerhouse 
Desperation on the part of the EU.
They threaten to blockade UK trucks going TO the EU, rather than EU trucks continuing to sell stuff to the UK…
"If we don’t give them a forever-extendable access to UK fishing grounds.
A stupid low trick that would only work if Boris is the buffoon the Left thought he was enough of “not to vote for him” last year.
I say we’re ready for No Deal, because we no longer give a hoot what the EU tries to do to it’s own people in order to punish Britain indirectly…
Oh, and Mr S Logic - you shouldn’t take so seriously that I detest the EU with a passion, when such feelings does no harm to yourself, whilst at the same time any ill-feelings towards me you might have, might end up getting back to the next acting manager, who’ll then no doubt carpet and sack me at the drop of a hat for “offending a Lefty/Remainer/TDS” person
To me, an “extremist” is someone who would rather wish actual harm, financial or physical upon another, over an issue that shouldn’t cause any of us to lose sleep at night.
I don’t worship “Brexit” like some kind of Graven Image. I merely voted for it, and now expect it to be done to my satisfaction, or I’ll boycott the political party that stands against it, like I have now done with the LIbdems, that I supported at every election from 1992 to 2010 inclusive, an entire generation’s length of me being a once-happy but blissfully unaware Liberal once-upon-a-time…
Winseer:
Oh, and Mr S Logic - you shouldn’t take so seriously that I detest the EU with a passion, when such feelings does no harm to yourself, whilst at the same time any ill-feelings towards me you might have, might end up getting back to the next acting manager, who’ll then no doubt carpet and sack me at the drop of a hat for “offending a Lefty/Remainer/TDS” person
I’ve read this six times… 
switchlogic:
Winseer:
Oh, and Mr S Logic - you shouldn’t take so seriously that I detest the EU with a passion, when such feelings does no harm to yourself, whilst at the same time any ill-feelings towards me you might have, might end up getting back to the next acting manager, who’ll then no doubt carpet and sack me at the drop of a hat for “offending a Lefty/Remainer/TDS” person
I’ve read this six times…
At a loose end, Luke?
Insomnia?
Dunno if reading that 6 times would send you to a peaceful sleep or give you nightmares!
^^^ Allow me to clarify; Luke apparently doesn’t like Winseer but is such an important figure in road haulage that Winseer may just get carpeted for no reason by a man who obviously has heard of Luke’s bias and as such is prepared to sack Winseer over this.
Probably.
Franglais:
Dunno if reading that 6 times would send you to a peaceful sleep or give you nightmares!
A bit, yes I don’t think I mentioned that I was badly injured in a car crash, how very remiss of me…
the maoster:
^^^ Allow me to clarify; Luke apparently doesn’t like Winseer but is such an important figure in road haulage that Winseer may just get carpeted for no reason by a man who obviously has heard of Luke’s bias and as such is prepared to sack Winseer over this.
Probably.
Ah yes that sort of makes sense now. Good to see he accepts that I’m a legendary figure within this sport we call trans. Continue with your day friends
switchlogic:
Franglais:
Dunno if reading that 6 times would send you to a peaceful sleep or give you nightmares!
A bit, yes I don’t think I mentioned that I was badly injured in a car crash, how very remiss of me…
You may not be driving, but reading Winseer 6 times?
Have you no books or music to annotate or rearrange? Photos to edit, surely? No pins left to stick in your eyes?
the nodding donkey:
switchlogic:
I do find it a bit comical how for many when the other side does it they are being ‘awkward’, ‘difficult’ or ‘digging their heels in’ but when jolly old Britain does exactly same thing we are just ‘standing up for what’s right’, ‘brave’ or ‘standing up for ourselves against bullies’. Either that or as increasingly happens bring up the war FFS. The actual war. Amazing how much Brexit has led to people who never have before swallowing every. Single. Government. Line.
Yes, can you believe that Britain doesnt want to be ruled by a foreign power, and feels its beter off alone, but keeps telling Scotland that they are beter off as part of the UK
Mind you, willy Nicky Kranky suffers from the opposite affliction. We want to be part of the UK, and be ruled by a far away government in Westminster, but we do want to be part of the EU, and be ruled by a far away government in Brussels.
“Ruled by” a foreign Gov un Brussels?
You’ve made a good post about emotive language, so how do you define “Ruled By”?
The EU gov is not a foreign gov if we have (had) representatives there: we are (were) part of that government.
Being “ruled by a foreign gov” implies no representation, and that wasn’t the case.
Being part of a trade deal with any foreign country(s) means obeying the rules of that deal. That doesn’t mean one country dictates the rules. Sure, a powerful country will hold more sway than an economically weaker one, but that is the way the world works.
Imagining that a deal with any country doesn’t involve some cost (doing what they wish) to some extent is pure fantasy. Even an isolated economy such as North Korea does some of what Beijing wants.
You’re using emotive language to describe an unrealistic picture of reality.
Maybe North Korea and England (not the rest) could join up.
Both have dodgy government and leadership with dodgy hair.
OwenMoney:
Maybe North Korea and England (not the rest) could join up.
Both have dodgy government and leadership with dodgy hair.
I dunno, that wee Jimmy Kranky has dodgy looking hair!
msgyorkie:
OwenMoney:
Maybe North Korea and England (not the rest) could join up.
Both have dodgy government and leadership with dodgy hair.
I dunno, that wee Jimmy Kranky has dodgy looking hair!
The outgoing US Pres has a very coiffe too! Is it true of many current world leaders?
switchlogic:
Winseer:
Not just a “Remainer”, but an extremist one, looking the hostility I get from the guy when I slag off the EU something rotton on here…
Awwww I’m so sorry. I didn’t realise you were so delicate. An extremist? Yup, you bet I am. I have opinions that most on would despise but I generally don’t bother you delicate souls with them.
Still waiting for this non EU Scandinavian dairy powerhouse
Whatever dairy we currently purchase from the EU, once out with no deal, should the EU decide to stop selling us anything at all, not just dairy - then we are free to source it from either rank-breaking EU member states, or those countries of Europe that are not in the EU to start with.
“Scandinavia” has an extensive home dairy industry of it’s own for example, with Sweden being in the EU and Norway not.
This would suggest that whatever the EU does, says, or tries to prevent - is all water under the bridge when it comes to the UK being able to re-source anything and everything from elsewhere including from within geographic Europe for all that stuff the scaremongers said “won’t exist any longer, and we’ll all starve if we do Brexit, especially a no-deal one”.
In practice, I would imagine we have enough of a UK dairy industry to be self-sufficient, so there won’t actually be any “shortages needing to be filled from overseas” AT ALL, but if anything - we might have a problem shifting our over-produces stuff onto the now intransigent EU who won’t buy any of it, even whilst still flogging their stuff over HERE as before.
Franglais:
the nodding donkey:
switchlogic:
I do find it a bit comical how for many when the other side does it they are being ‘awkward’, ‘difficult’ or ‘digging their heels in’ but when jolly old Britain does exactly same thing we are just ‘standing up for what’s right’, ‘brave’ or ‘standing up for ourselves against bullies’. Either that or as increasingly happens bring up the war FFS. The actual war. Amazing how much Brexit has led to people who never have before swallowing every. Single. Government. Line.
Yes, can you believe that Britain doesnt want to be ruled by a foreign power, and feels its beter off alone, but keeps telling Scotland that they are beter off as part of the UK
Mind you, willy Nicky Kranky suffers from the opposite affliction. We want to be part of the UK, and be ruled by a far away government in Westminster, but we do want to be part of the EU, and be ruled by a far away government in Brussels.
“Ruled by” a foreign Gov un Brussels?
You’ve made a good post about emotive language, so how do you define “Ruled By”?
The EU gov is not a foreign gov if we have (had) representatives there: we are (were) part of that government.
Being “ruled by a foreign gov” implies no representation, and that wasn’t the case.
Being part of a trade deal with any foreign country(s) means obeying the rules of that deal. That doesn’t mean one country dictates the rules. Sure, a powerful country will hold more sway than an economically weaker one, but that is the way the world works.
Imagining that a deal with any country doesn’t involve some cost (doing what they wish) to some extent is pure fantasy. Even an isolated economy such as North Korea does some of what Beijing wants.
You’re using emotive language to describe an unrealistic picture of reality.
Whether Britain wants or doesn’t want to be ruled by a foreign power, isn’t so much about some perceived Right-Wing mission statement, but rather just common interest in the name of “common sense”.
If being ruled by the EU made us ALL better off, rather than just in the perception of 48% of us, then we wouldn’t have voted to leave it in the first place - wouldn’t we?
At any time over the past four decades prior to 2015, the EU could have made membership sooo cushy for the UK masses - that of COURSE it could and would have been a no-brainer to be as much in favour of Remaining as people were when they voted strongly to join the common market EEC back in the 70’s, only to live to regret it, as the “promise” wasn’t bourne out by the reality during the 80’s in particular that followed, let alone the disasterous end to the 70’s that fell right on people’s heads right after we’d voted to join…
If the EU told us for instance, even now that if we’d all drop Brexit, we could all have some printed fiat Euros to the tune of say, 2500 per month paid as a “Universal Benefit” to everyone with an NH number (or at least every household) rather than every individual in this country - then even a ■■■■■■■■ Brexiteer like me - would have been won over.
Winseer:
If the EU told us for instance, even now that if we’d all drop Brexit, we could all have some printed fiat Euros to the tune of say, 2500 per month paid as a “Universal Benefit” to everyone with an NH number (or at least every household) rather than every individual in this country - then even a ■■■■■■■■ Brexiteer like me - would have been won over.
So if the EU simply paid you wage of €2,500 a month for doing nothing basically means your opinions can be bought with some cold hard cash. That’s some dedication to your cause going on there isn’t it.
switchlogic:
So if the EU simply paid you wage of €2,500 a month for doing nothing basically means your opinions can be bought with some cold hard cash. That’s some dedication to your cause going on there isn’t it.
Well at least he’s being honest. Countless pages of incomprehensible waffle, tub-thumping, ranting, playing with the colour of fonts, going mental with punctuation marks . . . and all it would take to change his mind is a couple of grand. I think he’s maybe pricing himself a little low.