Brexit , borders and lorries

[dexxy57]

Winseer:
Brexit ending up “No Deal” threatens to weaken the pound vs the Euro some more…
This would be an utter disaster upon disaster for the EU, who even if they decided NOT to impose Tariffs on UK stuff sold there, or EU food being sold here - people will simply go off buying EU imports because they are now too expensive, and are going to remain that expensive.

For a No Deal Brexit to succeed, the UK needs to be prepared to stop trading with the EU outright, or when and where the EU can actually halt cross-channel trade, simply because they are unable and unwilling to end it overnight even now at the 11th hour.

My guess is that Eastern European countries in particular, will continue sending trucks over here with stuff on, which the UK will continue to buy, refuse to pay any EU-imposed tariffs for doing thus, whilst attempts by the EU to impose tariffs upon the hapless EE trucking firm - will fall flat, as there’s no more meat to be cut off that particular bone…

Are our new improved trade routes with the rest of the world ready? My observation is that they are getting there.

Most things, in particular foodstuffs - currently imported from the EU and it’s member states - can be re-sourced from elsewhere, if they have not already done so.
Expect a marked increase in Meat from the commonwealth nations, Citrus from South America, Dairy from Scandinavia, Vegetables from the “looser” EU members like Turkey…
THAT is assuming we cannot ever become self-sufficient in anything there, of course…

When Sterling is shorted, it gets shorted against the Euro primarily. This in turn pushes up the price of Euros to an inflated level that makes their woeful unemployed masses hunger for a cheaper exchange rate to kick-start their economy again… But the ECB want a strong Euro to punish the UK, so tough luck EU farmers - You’ve priced everyone ELSE out of your own markets, and you wonder why there is now a glut of food you cannot possibly eat yourselves, and isn’t even coming down in price so people don’t starve nor waste it in due course…

No Deal Britain meanwhile, is free to make any deals it likes, pick and choose which produce at what prices from whatever countries - is worthy for our platters back here in blighty.
“Free Trade Zone UK” - How about it?

Once we’ve left, - others will follow.
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Hmm . . . interesting . . . yawn . . . .zzzzz

[franglais]

dexxy57:

Winseer:
Brexit ending up “No Deal” threatens to weaken the pound vs the Euro some more…
This would be an utter disaster upon disaster for the EU, who even if they decided NOT to impose Tariffs on UK stuff sold there, or EU food being sold here - people will simply go off buying EU imports because they are now too expensive, and are going to remain that expensive.

For a No Deal Brexit to succeed, the UK needs to be prepared to stop trading with the EU outright, or when and where the EU can actually halt cross-channel trade, simply because they are unable and unwilling to end it overnight even now at the 11th hour.

My guess is that Eastern European countries in particular, will continue sending trucks over here with stuff on, which the UK will continue to buy, refuse to pay any EU-imposed tariffs for doing thus, whilst attempts by the EU to impose tariffs upon the hapless EE trucking firm - will fall flat, as there’s no more meat to be cut off that particular bone…

Are our new improved trade routes with the rest of the world ready? My observation is that they are getting there.

Most things, in particular foodstuffs - currently imported from the EU and it’s member states - can be re-sourced from elsewhere, if they have not already done so.
Expect a marked increase in Meat from the commonwealth nations, Citrus from South America, Dairy from Scandinavia, Vegetables from the “looser” EU members like Turkey…
THAT is assuming we cannot ever become self-sufficient in anything there, of course…

When Sterling is shorted, it gets shorted against the Euro primarily. This in turn pushes up the price of Euros to an inflated level that makes their woeful unemployed masses hunger for a cheaper exchange rate to kick-start their economy again… But the ECB want a strong Euro to punish the UK, so tough luck EU farmers - You’ve priced everyone ELSE out of your own markets, and you wonder why there is now a glut of food you cannot possibly eat yourselves, and isn’t even coming down in price so people don’t starve nor waste it in due course…

No Deal Britain meanwhile, is free to make any deals it likes, pick and choose which produce at what prices from whatever countries - is worthy for our platters back here in blighty.
“Free Trade Zone UK” - How about it?

Once we’ve left, - others will follow.
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Hmm . . . interesting . . . yawn . . . .zzzzz

Don’t yawn, read it again. Better than Monty Python.
We will be better off, because as the pound falls and we can’t afford to buy anything we are in a better position!
Lorries will drive here from EU and we then decide whether or not to buy them.
Don’t buy from the EU but do buy from Scandinavia.
Buy fresh veg from Turkey. (Well that is slightly more credible than a previous suggestion by A.N.Other to fly tomatoes in from Aus).
Others will join us soon!

[dexxy57]

Franglais:
]Don’t yawn, read it again. Better than Monty Python.
We will be better off, because as the pound falls and we can’t afford to buy anything we are in a better position!
Lorries will drive here from EU and we then decide whether or not to buy them.
Don’t buy from the EU but do buy from Scandinavia.
Buy fresh veg from Turkey. (Well that is slightly more credible than a previous suggestion by A.N.Other to fly tomatoes in from Aus).
Others will join us soon!

No, others will NOT join us soon, unless of course they have some kind of insane desire to self harm.

[switchlogic]

Winseer:
if they have not already done so.
Expect a marked increase in Meat from the commonwealth nations, Citrus from South America, Dairy from Scandinavia, Vegetables from the “looser” EU members like Turkey…
THAT is assuming we cannot ever become self-sufficient in anything there, of course…

Specifically not buying from the EU but buying from Scandinavia is an interesting concept. Has the nurse forgotten your medication?

[switchlogic]

I must say though that Winseer thinking that companies pick stuff up abroad and bring it here on a whim somewhat hilarious.

[franglais]

Another huge Brexit vict…same old…
We have signed a trade deal with Canada, rolling over the listing EU deal.
The good news hailed by the Telegraph
telegraph.co.uk/business/20 … rade-deal/
is that we have again avoided shooting ourselves in the foot.
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Keep trying Liz!

[theyoungtrucker]

Winseer:
Brexit ending up “No Deal” threatens to weaken the pound vs the Euro some more…
This would be an utter disaster upon disaster for the EU, who even if they decided NOT to impose Tariffs on UK stuff sold there, or EU food being sold here - people will simply go off buying EU imports because they are now too expensive, and are going to remain that expensive.

For a No Deal Brexit to succeed, the UK needs to be prepared to stop trading with the EU outright, or when and where the EU can actually halt cross-channel trade, simply because they are unable and unwilling to end it overnight even now at the 11th hour.

My guess is that Eastern European countries in particular, will continue sending trucks over here with stuff on, which the UK will continue to buy, refuse to pay any EU-imposed tariffs for doing thus, whilst attempts by the EU to impose tariffs upon the hapless EE trucking firm - will fall flat, as there’s no more meat to be cut off that particular bone…

Are our new improved trade routes with the rest of the world ready? My observation is that they are getting there.

Most things, in particular foodstuffs - currently imported from the EU and it’s member states - can be re-sourced from elsewhere, if they have not already done so.
Expect a marked increase in Meat from the commonwealth nations, Citrus from South America, Dairy from Scandinavia, Vegetables from the “looser” EU members like Turkey…
THAT is assuming we cannot ever become self-sufficient in anything there, of course…

When Sterling is shorted, it gets shorted against the Euro primarily. This in turn pushes up the price of Euros to an inflated level that makes their woeful unemployed masses hunger for a cheaper exchange rate to kick-start their economy again… But the ECB want a strong Euro to punish the UK, so tough luck EU farmers - You’ve priced everyone ELSE out of your own markets, and you wonder why there is now a glut of food you cannot possibly eat yourselves, and isn’t even coming down in price so people don’t starve nor waste it in due course…

No Deal Britain meanwhile, is free to make any deals it likes, pick and choose which produce at what prices from whatever countries - is worthy for our platters back here in blighty.
“Free Trade Zone UK” - How about it?

Once we’ve left, - others will follow.
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Umm time will tell winseer, I honestly think you are right and tend to agree with you, unfortunately many of the members on here don’t seem to be able to see past next week let alone the long term goal of Brexit, it will bear fruit but it will certainly take a few years, then the others may follow.

[winseer]

I’m seeing the incoming food that increasingly seems to be coming from further afield than the EU, excepting Turkey, that seems to be a law unto itself.

If the pound continues to fall vs the Euro, then the EU will be priced out of the market, regardless of if they put an extra tariff on top of that.

I reckon Boris is going to have to police the fishing grounds with naval vessels - or the militant Frenchies will be out there trawling the channel to death like a rat up a drainpipe…

Eastern European countries currently sending trucks to the UK are hardly going to stop because the EU tells them they mustn’t come here any more…
It is hardly “coming here on a whim”… They’ll just attempt to be “business as usual” until an outside force, such as the EU - stops them.

I’m sure we’ll all be seeing the familiar sight of Waeberers wagons and all the other usual suspects trundling around our motorways on New Year’s Day - put it that way.

[switchlogic]

But what’s this Scandinavian country outside the EU that’s going to supply us with all our dairy products?

[theyoungtrucker]

switchlogic:
But what’s this Scandinavian country outside the EU that’s going to supply us with all our dairy products?

Rep of ireland exported 24.3 billion worth of goods to the uk in 2019 that’s huge for an island so small, they stand to be massive losers in all this, yet there digging there heels in because the eu wants them to. Same with the Spanish digging in over the fishing they are relaying hugely on a tourism market. The eu knows this could be the end game.

[owenmoney]

Britain is a major force once again, Liz Truss says, as UK signs free trade deal in Singapore

The new ’ rolled over ’ trade deal with Singapore will see us right . Another victory for Ms.Truss

[owenmoney]

A partir du vendredi soir 11 décembre, un nouveau test (organisé cette fois par les autorités britanniques, pendant quatre nuits) permettra d’évaluer la capacité de désengorgement de la M20. Certaines voies de cette autoroute seront censées servir de lieu d’attente pour les camions. Cet axe essentiel pourrait bien devenir « les toilettes de l’Angleterre », comme le souligne notre confrère Libération, qui interviewe des élus locaux dans son édition du 7 décembre. Car aucune aire de service avec WC n’est prévue !

This from Routiers.com

So from Friday 11 December a new test - this time by UK authorities - for 4 nights - to permit the evaluation and the capacity of the M20
Certain lanes will restricted
The next bit is about the lack of toilet and facilities in ’ the toilet of england ’

[franglais]

OwenMoney:
A partir du vendredi soir 11 décembre, un nouveau test (organisé cette fois par les autorités britanniques, pendant quatre nuits) permettra d’évaluer la capacité de désengorgement de la M20. Certaines voies de cette autoroute seront censées servir de lieu d’attente pour les camions. Cet axe essentiel pourrait bien devenir « les toilettes de l’Angleterre », comme le souligne notre confrère Libération, qui interviewe des élus locaux dans son édition du 7 décembre. Car aucune aire de service avec WC n’est prévue !

This from Routiers.com

So from Friday 11 December a new test - this time by UK authorities - for 4 nights - to permit the evaluation and the capacity of the M20
Certain lanes will restricted
The next bit is about the lack of toilet and facilities in ’ the toilet of england ’

Those night trunking “Brexit won’t affect me” drivers will say what?
And still no Jacob Rees’ s? (bogs)

[switchlogic]

TheYoungTrucker:

switchlogic:
But what’s this Scandinavian country outside the EU that’s going to supply us with all our dairy products?

Rep of ireland exported 24.3 billion worth of goods to the uk in 2019 that’s huge for an island so small, they stand to be massive losers in all this, yet there digging there heels in because the eu wants them to. Same with the Spanish digging in over the fishing they are relaying hugely on a tourism market. The eu knows this could be the end game.

Ah yes, those famous non EU Irish Scandinavians. I get you.

[switchlogic]

I do find it a bit comical how for many when the other side does it they are being ‘awkward’, ‘difficult’ or ‘digging their heels in’ but when jolly old Britain does exactly same thing we are just ‘standing up for what’s right’, ‘brave’ or ‘standing up for ourselves against bullies’. Either that or as increasingly happens bring up the war FFS. The actual war. Amazing how much Brexit has led to people who never have before swallowing every. Single. Government. Line.

[the_nodding_donkey]

switchlogic:
I do find it a bit comical how for many when the other side does it they are being ‘awkward’, ‘difficult’ or ‘digging their heels in’ but when jolly old Britain does exactly same thing we are just ‘standing up for what’s right’, ‘brave’ or ‘standing up for ourselves against bullies’. Either that or as increasingly happens bring up the war FFS. The actual war. Amazing how much Brexit has led to people who never have before swallowing every. Single. Government. Line.

'T was always thus…

One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.

Until about the 70’s Native American Indians were commonly portrayed as savages, who raped and murdered the plucky innocent settlers.

Depending on wether you’re catholic or protestant, the IRA are either murderous scum, or gallant freedom fighters.

Depending on wether you’re muslim or jewish, Palestinians are untermenschen or oppressed, or from the other side, the Jews are either a an oppressed religion, fighting for their home and survival, or a ruthless and oppressive invader.

In the 1980’s, the Taliban were plucky resistance fighters, fighting against the nasty invading Soviet forces, and we helped them with guns and training.
Fast forward a decade, and they were suddenly our enemy, and how dare they oppose us invading their country and telling them how to live…?

The list of countries that fought against the colonial invader Britain, and were considered terrorists is to long to go into here.

More recently (sorry to bring WWII into it, it may have been mentioned before), history is fickle. Until the point that Hitler started getting mad, the world was at best ambivalent about his actions. He spend the best part of a decade buding up a strong military, and turned Germany in a strong authoritarian regime, with clearly stated expansionist ideals, but nobody intervened, nor condemned. Even the 1936 Olympic Games were a pageant of German military might (at that point still forbidden by convention), Had Hitler not gone as far as invading most of Europe, we might well be negotiating with the Germans now, not as the rulers of Europe, but as a bigger and stronger Germany. Dont forget, that the West already had ideological differences with Bolshevik Russia, and many on the Allied Side were mindful to negotiate with the German Army command, about a surrender/combined effort against the Russians. The Poles were sacrifi8 (several times), the Jews were disliked by most, and would have been swiped under the carpet as “Hitlers and his barbaric SS private enterprise”, opening the path for cooperation with the Army.

Sorry for the sermon. But history is written by the Victor’s, and today, truth is spoken by those who shout down the opposition loudest.

[the_nodding_donkey]

switchlogic:
I do find it a bit comical how for many when the other side does it they are being ‘awkward’, ‘difficult’ or ‘digging their heels in’ but when jolly old Britain does exactly same thing we are just ‘standing up for what’s right’, ‘brave’ or ‘standing up for ourselves against bullies’. Either that or as increasingly happens bring up the war FFS. The actual war. Amazing how much Brexit has led to people who never have before swallowing every. Single. Government. Line.

Yes, can you believe that Britain doesnt want to be ruled by a foreign power, and feels its beter off alone, but keeps telling Scotland that they are beter off as part of the UK
Mind you, willy Nicky Kranky suffers from the opposite affliction. We want to be part of the UK, and be ruled by a far away government in Westminster, but we do want to be part of the EU, and be ruled by a far away government in Brussels.

[winseer]

Franglais:

dexxy57:

Winseer:
Brexit ending up “No Deal” threatens to weaken the pound vs the Euro some more…
This would be an utter disaster upon disaster for the EU, who even if they decided NOT to impose Tariffs on UK stuff sold there, or EU food being sold here - people will simply go off buying EU imports because they are now too expensive, and are going to remain that expensive.

For a No Deal Brexit to succeed, the UK needs to be prepared to stop trading with the EU outright, or when and where the EU can actually halt cross-channel trade, simply because they are unable and unwilling to end it overnight even now at the 11th hour.

My guess is that Eastern European countries in particular, will continue sending trucks over here with stuff on, which the UK will continue to buy, refuse to pay any EU-imposed tariffs for doing thus, whilst attempts by the EU to impose tariffs upon the hapless EE trucking firm - will fall flat, as there’s no more meat to be cut off that particular bone…

Are our new improved trade routes with the rest of the world ready? My observation is that they are getting there.

Most things, in particular foodstuffs - currently imported from the EU and it’s member states - can be re-sourced from elsewhere, if they have not already done so.
Expect a marked increase in Meat from the commonwealth nations, Citrus from South America, Dairy from Scandinavia, Vegetables from the “looser” EU members like Turkey…
THAT is assuming we cannot ever become self-sufficient in anything there, of course…

When Sterling is shorted, it gets shorted against the Euro primarily. This in turn pushes up the price of Euros to an inflated level that makes their woeful unemployed masses hunger for a cheaper exchange rate to kick-start their economy again… But the ECB want a strong Euro to punish the UK, so tough luck EU farmers - You’ve priced everyone ELSE out of your own markets, and you wonder why there is now a glut of food you cannot possibly eat yourselves, and isn’t even coming down in price so people don’t starve nor waste it in due course…

No Deal Britain meanwhile, is free to make any deals it likes, pick and choose which produce at what prices from whatever countries - is worthy for our platters back here in blighty.
“Free Trade Zone UK” - How about it?

Once we’ve left, - others will follow.

Hmm . . . interesting . . . yawn . . . .zzzzz

Don’t yawn, read it again. Better than Monty Python.
We will be better off, because as the pound falls and we can’t afford to buy anything we are in a better position!
Lorries will drive here from EU and we then decide whether or not to buy them.
Don’t buy from the EU but do buy from Scandinavia.
Buy fresh veg from Turkey. (Well that is slightly more credible than a previous suggestion by A.N.Other to fly tomatoes in from Aus).
Others will join us soon!

How much money have I spent abroad in the past 19 years since 9/11 the last time I was on an aircraft overseas, coming home? - ZIPPO
How much money have I spent buying overpriced imported stuff like German Junk cars? - ZIPPO
How much to I intend spending anytime soon overseas - ZIPPO.

As far as I’m concerned, “foreign activities” can cost infinity quid per hour to partake of.

I am predicting that foreign trucker firms, in particular the EE ones will be attempting to send produce in particular to the UK after January 1st, because they won’t be obeying the EU’s instructions “not to sell stuff to embargoed Britain any more”. Sure - who’s gonna enforce that anyways?

Turkey, meanwhile - are not fully fledged member nation state as of yet, so my guess is that Erdogan will act as he sees fit for his country, and bugger the EU trying to tell HIM “not to sell produce to the UK any longer” as well!

“Breaking Rank” is the key to a smooth No Deal Brexit. The EU member states will NOT act “as one” in embargoing Britain from at very least buying their stuff brought over here BY them.

The EU on the other hand, will EASILY be able to stop UK truckers from EXPORTING UK stuff TO them, but then again, we were losing balance of trade hand-over-fist on our UK-EU trade over the past four decades anyways, so if you take away a minus that big - what you then don’t lose by wasting it selling it at capped prices to the EU, when you can always flog off somewhere else further afield, for better prices to boot…

There is, and never was any good reason why we should be an EU colony in this country. They could have bribed us to stay in the EU at any point, but have singlely failed to do so - BECAUSE the UK is nothing but a cash cow to them. The money flows in one direction, and our balance of trade can never possibly heal, constantly being funded and re-funded by forever extending our debt with CHINA, who will one day call in that debt by a “major favour” like they are currently doing in the USA by openly rigging the election to get rid of Anti-China Trump…

The election is already proven to be busted, and now the task begins to convince those who just “don’t want to believe that” - that it is true.

Never mind about “Brexit Damage”, which I see as being 99% to the EU, 1% to the UK, - if Trump now ends up going quietly into the night, Brexit can still be cancelled in January, with the result that our government will duly fall, “Oh well never mind”. Boris will resign like Cameron did if it comes to "Sorry bud, I cannot complete Brexit, as Biden has expressly forbidden it on instructions of the EU China-funded Deep State…"

A No Deal Brexit - was always going to be the only one possible don’t forget. You cannot ever get permission to do something the other side won’t ever allow… It’s like asking Hitler (or the other non-fighting nations of the world) permission for the RAF to bomb Berlin in 1940!

[franglais]

switchlogic:
I do find it a bit comical how for many when the other side does it they are being ‘awkward’, ‘difficult’ or ‘digging their heels in’ but when jolly old Britain does exactly same thing we are just ‘standing up for what’s right’, ‘brave’ or ‘standing up for ourselves against bullies’. Either that or as increasingly happens bring up the war FFS. The actual war. Amazing how much Brexit has led to people who never have before swallowing every. Single. Government. Line.

In time of war we have brave undercover agents, but they have cowardly hidden spies.
Now, we have red lines which can’t be broken. They have a list of demands.
We stand firm. They are stubborn.
We are determined. They are intransigent.
We impose penalties. They give out punishments.
And on, and on…
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.Edit.
Posted while N.D.'s post was “in the waiting room”.

[winseer]

BOTH sides lack the enforcement infrastructure to “punish”…

What would Gendarmerie equivalent of “French Farmers” when it comes to “stamping their feet, because the pre-entant cordialle enemy is getting one over on us”?

Do they mort you to death and then bring you back to life so they can do it all over again?