You are saying the same as me !!
mick.mh2racing:
FarnboroughBoy11:
the maoster:
Conor:
mick.mh2racing:
Or whip your card out, move your vehicle and put your card back in and do a manual entry to say you’ve been on break all the time.
Plus of course follow the good advice of not blocking anyone in before you start your break.Except that removing the card is classed as other work so you’d have infringed on the break anyway.
Oh dear me, pedantry your particular forte is it? Just wait 50 mins or so before putting the card in and doing your manual entry.
Vosa ain’t stupid.
No they’re not but once a month isn’t gong to flag up as a problem I wouldn’t have thought.
Yes but that would be falsifying records which is a big deal.
The tacho printout will show that the card has been removed for that period.
ROG:
You are saying the same as me !!
But in a totally different way 
oakeedokee:
Yes but that would be falsifying records which is a big deal.
The tacho printout will show that the card has been removed for that period.
Would it be falsifying records if another driver moves the vehicle? I would contend not and as the tacho head did not have a card to identify the driver then all that would show is the vehicle movement. None of the shunters in my depot use a digicard when moving rigid vehicles or dedicated truck/trailer combinations, within the depot.
You would need something else , like a personal testimony or video footage, to make a case strong enough to consider further action. Imagine the conversation:
Vosa - Why did you take your card out?
Driver - I didn’t the yard shunter did when HE moved the vehicle.
Vosa - Where were you at this time?
Driver - In the canteen.
Vosa - When did you return to your vehicle?
Driver - When my break was completed then I re-inserted my card and made a manual entry for the missing time.
It might be suspicious but suspicion is not proof of guilt, and this is a credible scenario IMHO.
threewheelsonmywagon:
Conor:
Moving it is an infringement.Not in itself it isn’t. Why would it if you haven’t exceeded any driving/working limits?. If you’ve driven for 4.5 hours or worked for 6 hours and moving your wagon takes you over those limits then yes, that’s an infringement.
Why didn’t you quote the following sentence that qualified it? ■■■■.
heliguy10:
had a bit of a heated chat at work last night regarding moving my truck whislt on 45min break. before i get slatted i know about the eu rules and what the vosa infomation tells me but i cant find any thing to put this conversation to bed, ok, just put tacho on my break get asked to move the lorry its in the way, other person says just move it put it back on break and continue your break. does moving it create an infringement because the lorrys moved before having enough break… after its been moved does the break have to begin from scratch again or continue from the previous start time…what if the request to move the lorry is for an emergancy.
just to finish off, i told the other person B#**#??s its not moving
The simple answer is that since you had only just started your break - you should move and start your break again. If you had been on break for 15 minutes or more, then you would need another 30 minutes.
If you aren’t driving the wagon, but someone else is (even if it’s only across the yard) then surely you should remove your card?
No way should you let anyone record their driving as yours…no matter where or for how short the distance.
I’d have thought that if you are in the vehicle when it is being moved then your card should go in the ‘second driver’ slot because the truck is being double-manned, and if you are not in the vehicle then nor should your card be.
It amazes me when I hear about people who leave their card in the truck in the depot between shifts, then go back to work and find someone has taken ‘their’ truck and their card out already.
mick.mh2racing:
FarnboroughBoy11:
You can’t move a truck when your on a break, simple as.Don’t agree with that mate. It’s the driver that needs to have a break not the vehicle. If you can show that you’ve had a break then that ought to be enough.
If for example you were doing local shunts and you came back to yard and your boss asked you to sit in the canteen for an hour to have your break while someone else uses your motor for that hour, that would be ok wouldn’t it?
We had it when a shunter, moving trailers from one site to another on the public road said as much. I’m having my break so that vehicle isn’t moving was tyhe driver’s attitude so his manager took advice from VOSA who agreed that as long as the driver showed a break as a manual entry then it was fine.
I agree with everything you said which is why I don’t understand why you disagree with my comment?? 
I said you can’t move a truck when you are on a break.
I didn’t say your truck can’t be moved by someone else when you are on a break 
threewheelsonmywagon:
Conor:
Moving it is an infringement.Not in itself it isn’t. Why would it if you haven’t exceeded any driving/working limits?. If you’ve driven for 4.5 hours or worked for 6 hours and moving your wagon takes you over those limits then yes, that’s an infringement.
Second answer is right. It is not an infringement, it just annuls any time you have taken on break up to 15 minutes, if you have taken more than 15 minutes but less than 45 minutes it annuls anything over 15 minutes. You simply need to re-start the break.
FarnboroughBoy11:
mick.mh2racing:
FarnboroughBoy11:
You can’t move a truck when your on a break, simple as.Don’t agree with that mate. It’s the driver that needs to have a break not the vehicle. If you can show that you’ve had a break then that ought to be enough.
If for example you were doing local shunts and you came back to yard and your boss asked you to sit in the canteen for an hour to have your break while someone else uses your motor for that hour, that would be ok wouldn’t it?
We had it when a shunter, moving trailers from one site to another on the public road said as much. I’m having my break so that vehicle isn’t moving was tyhe driver’s attitude so his manager took advice from VOSA who agreed that as long as the driver showed a break as a manual entry then it was fine.I agree with everything you said which is why I don’t understand why you disagree with my comment??
I said you can’t move a truck when you are on a break.
I didn’t say your truck can’t be moved by someone else when you are on a break
Yeah reading what you put again I see what you mean and is the diffeence with typing on a forum and having a conversation.
YOU can’t move a truck but the truck can be moved. I read it as “the truck can’t be moved while you’re on break”
Yep that just about sums up folk who “drive” trucks dont it!Like the tow rag who drives his truck into the garage for a new red line puts it on break and fires off for a brew.
Comes back ■■■■■■■ I put it outside.Guess what reply he zb got.
Another brain dead ■■■■■■.
mick.mh2racing:
FarnboroughBoy11:
mick.mh2racing:
FarnboroughBoy11:
You can’t move a truck when your on a break, simple as.Don’t agree with that mate. It’s the driver that needs to have a break not the vehicle. If you can show that you’ve had a break then that ought to be enough.
If for example you were doing local shunts and you came back to yard and your boss asked you to sit in the canteen for an hour to have your break while someone else uses your motor for that hour, that would be ok wouldn’t it?
We had it when a shunter, moving trailers from one site to another on the public road said as much. I’m having my break so that vehicle isn’t moving was tyhe driver’s attitude so his manager took advice from VOSA who agreed that as long as the driver showed a break as a manual entry then it was fine.I agree with everything you said which is why I don’t understand why you disagree with my comment??
I said you can’t move a truck when you are on a break.
I didn’t say your truck can’t be moved by someone else when you are on a break
Yeah reading what you put again I see what you mean and is the diffeence with typing on a forum and having a conversation.
YOU can’t move a truck but the truck can be moved. I read it as “the truck can’t be moved while you’re on break”
Yeah I thought that’s what you thought I meant. No probs.
Bking:
Yep that just about sums up folk who “drive” trucks dont it!Like the tow rag who drives his truck into the garage for a new red line puts it on break and fires off for a brew.Comes back ■■■■■■■ I put it outside.Guess what reply he zb got.
Another brain dead ■■■■■■.
We’ve got one of them too, I’ll come into the yard and park out the way for a 45, come back to the truck and it’s parked somewhere else!!! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I keep the keys now just in case he doesn’t remember the incident.
Ross.
If somebody moves a truck wiithout a card in the tacho unit it will register ‘driving without card’. You can clear that before putting your card back in but when the operator or VOSA downloads the information from the actual tacho unit they can see the ‘driving without card’ and then they will also see it was your card that was in before and after the offence.
If the vehicle was to be stopped abroad then you would be fined for the vehicle (not your own card) having been driven without a card in it.
If someone was really desperate for me to move out the way I would and do printout/write on card. Unless you’re a complete tool who’s always parking up in daft places (yes you Mr Parcel 7.5ton drivers parking in the turning areas on Ind Estates) then this will only be once in a blue moon.
Also if it’s just a small shunt forwards/backwards needed always worth taking the parking brake off and seeing if it will roll. My view is there’s no point ■■■■■■■ people off unnecessarily.
Own Account Driver:
If someone was really desperate for me to move out the way I would and do printout/write on card. Unless you’re a complete tool who’s always parking up in daft places (yes you Mr Parcel 7.5ton drivers parking in the turning areas on Ind Estates) then this will only be once in a blue moon.Also if it’s just a small shunt forwards/backwards needed always worth taking the parking brake off and seeing if it will roll. My view is there’s no point ■■■■■■■ people off unnecessarily.
Move our trucks round the yard all the time without cards in eg servicing,shunting trailers and vosa dont have a problem with it, as usual its somebody filling in the “urban myth” and trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.If your on private land what the hell can vosa do about it.
I’m a new driver and have my first job next week. I’m just looking for some advice about what to put on the taco when broken down.
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DoverCally:
I’m a new driver and have my first job next week. I’m just looking for some advice about what to put on the taco when broken down.
This thread is nearly eight years old and you might have done better starting a new thread. However, to answer the question I personally would give as much relevant information as possible in the shortest amount of words, for example “Duty time exceeded 1.5 hours, breakdown, airline failure, attended and repaired by Scania Purfleet” then I would sign and date the print-out.
Or another example, the longest driving period I have ever done without a break was 7 hours 20 minutes and I wrote on the print-out “Driving time exceeded 2 hours 50 minutes, chemical tanker overturned M25 j23-24, held in queue, stopped at first available place”.
Which was all true. And if they wanted to DVSA could have checked and found out that a chemical tanker did overturn on that day and in that place and at that time. And the first reasonable place for me to stop was at Thurrock.
Dafman:
Or just start your break again from scratch simple especially if paid by the hour
This^^^^
And don’t have your break were you are going to be in the way,