Robbies Dad:
The plot thickens,when you consider this load was not supposed to be dangerous by road.What about the firm who he is carrying the load for.They must surely bear some responsibility for the current situation.
What is the situation regarding ammunition and haz plates etc? You see military vehicles with the orange boards up but I guess it could come down to what kind of ammunition.
With a load of bullets on board I think some indication might be handy should the vehicle catch fire and those things start cooking off.
When the military move ammo over here they normally display haz plates and display blue flags on the vehicle, they also tend to have a land-rover ■■■■■■.
Robbies Dad:
The plot thickens,when you consider this load was not supposed to be dangerous by road.What about the firm who he is carrying the load for.They must surely bear some responsibility for the current situation.
What is the situation regarding ammunition and haz plates etc? You see military vehicles with the orange boards up but I guess it could come down to what kind of ammunition.
With a load of bullets on board I think some indication might be handy should the vehicle catch fire and those things start cooking off.
When the military move ammo over here they normally display haz plates and display blue flags on the vehicle, they also tend to have a land-rover ■■■■■■.
they had to be carried in metal boxes with a wire seal and the diamond displayed on each box. i didnt carry ammo but i did carry a lot of guns when i ran my squadron armoury. mostly going to warminster for refurb/modification
It is normal of the british embassies abroad to wash their hands of most truckers who are in trouble abroad…so this is no surprise.
I cannot offer much help with regards to my wife travelling to sofia on sunday. she has to travel from there down to Russe (ruse) the border where ian crossed, and we have a very good friend who works in the customs there. Un fortunately ian is in sofia…already in the country…and up the creek without a paddle. he has employed the help of a translator, and had my wife had more time, she would of course helped a great deal, but shes out there to erect a headstone for her mother who died last year.
I am sure that ian should contact the importer in cyprus…and also the exporter !
He may be able to store the load in a customs compound, and therefore release him of the responsibility. therefore allowing him to backload from bulgaria or greece.
at the end of the day he should have checked the route, and the countries he intended to cross with regards to what paperwork he may need, and of course the costs involved. The bulgarians are normally quite a helpful bunch, and if there is a solution, they will help him to find one. if its a case of permits, then they may allow him to buy one, but what about the Turkish paperwork or the greek paperwork , depending on which way hes going to travel. I wouldnt want to be in his shoes at the moment, taking into account the way things have turned out…i hope and pray that everything turns out ok, and he can then learn the lesson.
One other thing, the entry into turkey needs a visa, and the last time i travelled to turkey, i was told that a visa must be stamped from the country of origin ie(the uk) so i would assume that greece would be a viable route, and a ferry from there to cyprus…if the ferry company would take the load on board !!
all in all…the load sounds very dodgy…especially so close to the former yugoslavia…i dont believe that the load is not hazardous…its bullets for gods sake…so i wish him all the very best of luck…and if i can be of any further help contact me.
A p.s for rob…i am on a regular run to dewsbury (chiquita)…whats so godly about that place ■■
at the end of the day he should have checked the route, and the countries he intended to cross with regards to what paperwork he may need, and of course the costs involved.
Errr…correct me if I’m wrong, but the way I read Ian’s update, he did check, did have the right paperwork, and it was the authorities who [zb]'d up by holding him…hence it is all now sorted bar the shouting…
They use them for a convoy situation.And if they are abroad then depending on which country they are entering will determin what side of the vehicle the flag is to be placed on.
I think all this could have been prevented if the customer whom Ian collected the freight from had their admin in order.They should have had all the paperwork sorted ( ie permit’s for every country that the freight would be entering)Even though Ian say’s that this freight isn’t hazardous,i’d tend to differ as munition’s are dangerous.As he was going by road and sea then it come’s under ADR ( BY ROAD) then IMDG ( BY SEA) then ADR (by road at other end)then IMDG( by sea to Cyprus.)If the sender was a half decent run company then Ian would not be in this situation( lesson learned the hard way i think Ian)
One tip for anyone,even though the load might not come under ADR rule’s and reg’s it still require’s a trem card to move the freight.If you do Euro work then you require trem card’s for each country( in that countries language) that you will be travelling through.
kitkat:
I think all this could have been prevented if the customer whom Ian collected the freight from had their admin in order.They should have had all the paperwork sorted ( ie permit’s for every country that the freight would be entering)
That would generally be down to the tranport firm to arrange permits etc, not the customer. Depending on the permit required it could well be that an O Licence would need to be produced to obtain one, and the customer would likely not have an O Licence.
kitkat:
I think all this could have been prevented if the customer whom Ian collected the freight from had their admin in order.They should have had all the paperwork sorted ( ie permit’s for every country that the freight would be entering)Even though Ian say’s that this freight isn’t hazardous,i’d tend to differ as munition’s are dangerous.As he was going by road and sea then it come’s under ADR ( BY ROAD) then IMDG ( BY SEA) then ADR (by road at other end)then IMDG( by sea to Cyprus.)If the sender was a half decent run company then Ian would not be in this situation( lesson learned the hard way i think Ian)
One tip for anyone,even though the load might not come under ADR rule’s and reg’s it still require’s a trem card to move the freight.If you do Euro work then you require trem card’s for each country( in that countries language) that you will be travelling through.
Was I talking to myself when I explained this about 13 times to you on the phone last night ?
The load is NOT hazardous by road. It is class 1.4S - LOOK IT UP FFS.
The problem Ian has had is nothing to do with whether the load is hazardous or not and the paperwork that goes it. The problem the Bulgarian authorities have is that there is no paperwork clearly stating the ammo is for HUNTING use and no ammo for SHOOTING PEOPLE. THAT is why all this has kicked off. NOTHING TO DO WITH WHETHER IT’S HAZARDOUS OR NOT.
DO PEOPLE THINK THEY CAN GET THIS INTO THEIR HEADS INSTEAD OF PLAYING THE SAME RECORD OVER AND OVER AGAIN?
truckyboy:
but what about the Turkish paperwork or the greek paperwork , :
Not that I know anything about it but it seems highly unlikely that Greece would even consider a truck in transit for Northern Cyprus, an area they consider to be part of their bosom buddies the Greek Cypriots’ country, occupied by Turkey.
Can you imagine them authorising bullets for goodness sake, when the T.Cyps can’t even sell Turkish Delight to the G.Cyps without renaming it Cyprus Delight
And when all is said and done it appears that everything is correct and the Bulgars have cocked it up, not Ian. This is a rare occasion when I share your frustration Rob.
Ian has been on and explained about the ADR stuff… yet everyone is still saying he should have got his paperwork sorted■■?
Well, as I read it, he did have!! It was the Bulgars that cocked up, wasn’t it??
Yet we have Trucky YET AGAIN being damned condescending … Trucky, if we are going out of Spain, Italy, France, Germany or Benelux, do we have to ask you the way ■■?
TheBear:
Ian has been on and explained about the ADR stuff… yet everyone is still saying he should have got his paperwork sorted■■?
Well, as I read it, he did have!! It was the Bulgars that cocked up, wasn’t it??
thats the way I read it too
I’m just glad they are both safe and not in too much bother
kitkat:
I think all this could have been prevented if the customer whom Ian collected the freight from had their admin in order.They should have had all the paperwork sorted ( ie permit’s for every country that the freight would be entering)
That would generally be down to the tranport firm to arrange permits etc, not the customer. Depending on the permit required it could well be that an O Licence would need to be produced to obtain one, and the customer would likely not have an O Licence.
Neil i was referring to the firm Ian collected the freight from( ie uk ) it is down to them to sort the relevant documentation out
Rob K:
The problem the Bulgarian authorities have is that there is no paperwork clearly stating the ammo is for HUNTING use and no ammo for SHOOTING PEOPLE.
So how does the Ammo know the difference between Bambi and Boris?
And I believe that Ian was going through Bulgeria to avoid Greece, because of the problems that might cause.
Was I talking to myself when I explained this about 13 times to you on the phone last night ?
Rob,If Ian had the correct paperwork at the start ie tremcard then this would have stated on it the nature of the hazourd and plus what it is for.
irrespective if it’s hazourdous or not,it still require’s tremcards to move the dam freight.And if you had your adr then you’d know this and so would Ian.So i’ll leave it with you since you know best.
Was I talking to myself when I explained this about 13 times to you on the phone last night ?
Rob,If Ian had the correct paperwork at the start ie tremcard then this would have stated on it the nature of the hazourd and plus what it is for.
irrespective if it’s hazourdous or not,it still require’s tremcards to move the dam freight.And if you had your adr then you’d know this and so would Ian.So i’ll leave it with you since you know best.
F.F.S. IT IS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE [zb] TREM CARD OR BEING HAZAROUS OR NOT. F.F.S. HOW MANY MORE TIMES DOES IT NEED SPELLING OUT ■■?
Much as I 100% understand your frustration, and 100% agree with your feelings on this, that had to go. L.
