True fuse - aint saying they are perfect but I got a slight injury in america once - cost me £2700 for about ten minutes treatment.
JeffA:
^^No matter how “bad” the nhs is - at least you dont have to die if you get ill and have no money. Thats the reality without it. Nye bevin started it after watching his father die cos he didnt have the money to tempt a doctor to visit.
The money still isn’t there.
You’ll still have to watch the parent be transferred to the Liverpool Pathways type gig because vascular surgery and/or intensive care etc is rationed dependent on age among other priorities and triaged on that basis.
Doctors in the NHS are making those life and death decisions routinely every day.
As you’d see if you saw all the deliberate obstacles put in place before anyone can be transferred to emergency surgery or ICU from A and E.
More likely they’ll die waiting on the trolley in ambulance RAP.
Bevan was a Socialist pushing a socialist agenda the result was predictably a basket case compared to Germany’s system.
I’d argue that losing one’s livlihood is a bigger financial burden to one’s family than either dying outright, or being seriously injured and in hospital…
The financial problems start the day you are discharged, and the big gap between leaving Hospital and being well enough to return to work…
Universal Credit - doesn’t rise into 4 figures to run one’s entire household, and if you’re used to earning £2000pm+ - essentially you are going to be running up debts of around £1000 per month WHILST recuperating at home.
If anything, a longer stay in hospital - might be of less burden to the family, but alas beds get blocked and have been for many years now - by patients with avoidable ailments, “If only they could have been seen sooner”…
We don’t need “More Hospices” FFS… We need Fully-up-and-running 24/7 oncology departments that don’t have 9-5 staff working in them! 
Winseer:
We don’t need “More Hospices” FFS… We need Fully-up-and-running 24/7 oncology departments that don’t have 9-5 staff working in them!
As Liverpool Pathways scandal proved the palliative care system here is being used as a cheap substitute for treatment as part of the NHS rationing regime.At the end of the day the NHS is just a way for employers to limit the health care costs of their employees and their dependents to limit their wage costs and Bevan knew it.He effectively sacrificed the working class to meet a Socialist crusade.
theguardian.com/society/2015 … -countries
So a country which is prepared to sacrifice the health care of its workers and a government which is no friend of the road transport industry.There’s not much going for the place to come here to work as a driver let alone settle a family here.
Carryfast:
JeffA:
^^No matter how “bad” the nhs is - at least you dont have to die if you get ill and have no money. Thats the reality without it. Nye bevin started it after watching his father die cos he didnt have the money to tempt a doctor to visit.
The money still isn’t there.
You’ll still have to watch the parent be transferred to the Liverpool Pathways type gig because vascular surgery and/or intensive care etc is rationed dependent on age among other priorities and triaged on that basis.
Doctors in the NHS are making those life and death decisions routinely every day.
As you’d see if you saw all the deliberate obstacles put in place before anyone can be transferred to emergency surgery or ICU from A and E.
More likely they’ll die waiting on the trolley in ambulance RAP.
Bevan was a Socialist pushing a socialist agenda the result was predictably a basket case compared to Germany’s system.
You really cant find a good word for the nhs carryfast? Not one?
Yeah bevin was a socialist pushing a socialist agenda - if he had been a tory pushing a tory agenda we would all still be dying by the thousand from treatable illness.
Tories may celebrate a shortage of HGV drivers pushing up wages, but none has any desire to restore trade union power, the single most effective way of defending working-class living standards. When workers do take action to improve wages and conditions, the Tory response has been to threaten greater curbs on union activity. Four of the current cabinet – Priti Patel, Kwasi Kwarteng, Dominic Raab and Liz Truss – were, together with Chris Skidmore, authors of the infamous Britannia Unchained manifesto, which derided British workers as among “the worst idlers in the world” and demanded greater scope for employers to sack them.
Interesting take - certainly not only migrants driving wages down. The tories are far more responsible.