whisperingsmith: > adam277: > Personally, I am not even against immigration but it should be us who choose who comes here not some “Free-movement” system that allows anyone who manages to get into the EU to come across. > Like NHS workers for example or Teachers. We don’t have to rely on just EU workers for this now. For example one of Cuba’s biggest exports is healthcare workers.
The ending of Free Movement impacts us more than the EU - we have lost our rights of movement.
WE are now in a similar position to those of the Soviet Block pre-Freedom.
Those of us of a certain age remember exiting Soviet Block Countries and the strict cab & truck searches. They were carried out to find anyone trying to leave the Soviet wonderland.
We are not quite as bad as that here yet, but I for one am seriously p1$$ed off with my loss of free movement - I tell a lie "I am realy, really, 4king Angry about it"
Lol WS…you like me and others are old enough to remember movement pre EU days. And you know that if travelling in a car it was nothing more than a quick wave of the passport and away you went.
whisperingsmith: > adam277: > Personally, I am not even against immigration but it should be us who choose who comes here not some “Free-movement” system that allows anyone who manages to get into the EU to come across. > Like NHS workers for example or Teachers. We don’t have to rely on just EU workers for this now. For example one of Cuba’s biggest exports is healthcare workers.
The ending of Free Movement impacts us more than the EU - we have lost our rights of movement.
WE are now in a similar position to those of the Soviet Block pre-Freedom.
Those of us of a certain age remember exiting Soviet Block Countries and the strict cab & truck searches. They were carried out to find anyone trying to leave the Soviet wonderland.
We are not quite as bad as that here yet, but I for one am seriously p1$$ed off with my loss of free movement - I tell a lie "I am realy, really, 4king Angry about it"
Lol WS…you like me and others are old enough to remember movement pre EU days. And you know that if travelling in a car it was nothing more than a quick wave of the passport and away you went.
The KGB are in the background just incase your papers are wrong.
adam277:
Thats just ridiculous.
Personally I cant understand as a truck driver how you can not see the immediate benefit brexit has brought in terms of wage increases across the industry. Brexit has been good for truck drivers yet you still get a few on here who act like they would rather be in the EU working for like £9-10 an hour.
If you are a dyed-in-the-wool Labour voter then you simply can’t get this. Your father voted Labour and his father before him and that is the end of the logical thought process. The few remaining Labour supporters are totally incapable of seeing how much the Labour party despise the working class which it was originally founded to represent.
I would bet the farm that Labour will not win another General Election in my lifetime.
adam277:
Thats just ridiculous.
Personally I cant understand as a truck driver how you can not see the immediate benefit brexit has brought in terms of wage increases across the industry. Brexit has been good for truck drivers yet you still get a few on here who act like they would rather be in the EU working for like £9-10 an hour.
If you are a dyed-in-the-wool Labour voter then you simply can’t get this. Your father voted Labour and his father before him and that is the end of the logical thought process. The few remaining Labour supporters are totally incapable of seeing how much the Labour party despise the working class which it was originally founded to represent.
I would bet the farm that Labour will not win another General Election in my lifetime.
In this video I completely agree with his original views. He had to follow the party line though because Labour as a whole was very pro remain. Which is disappointing. I think if he was allowed to campaign with his actual beliefs he would of done very well.
But then again the biggest opposition Jeremy Corbyn faced in his time in office was his own party who hated him (Mainly just the MPs). As his support among the members itself was strong. And now Starmer has made it certain that no one like Jeremy Corbyn can get elected again…
I know a lot of people dont like Jeremy Corbyn on here but on this point in regards to EU I completely agreed with him.
Labour as a party are just completely stupid. They seem intent on sabotaging themselves by not supporting working class people. There was a reason a lot of working class people liked Jeremy Corbyn and they are intent on destroying that. All for the bourgeois Londoners who are pro EU and get their coffee at starbucks.
I mean they keep going on about how Jeremy Corbyn was an anti-semite. I have seen nothing to suggest that. All I have seen is his support for Palestinians. Labour did not have an anti antisemitism problem, it was just a tool to get rid of Jeremy Corbyn.
Harry Monk:
On a visit to Leeds General Infirmary, Mr Johnson said: “Of course we keep everything under review but what we don’t want to do is go back to a situation in which we basically allowed the road haulage industry to be sustained with a lot of low-wage immigration that meant that wages didn’t go up and the quality of the job didn’t go up.
“The weird thing is now, that people don’t want to go into the road haulage industry, don’t want to be lorry drivers, precisely because you have that mass immigration approach that held wages down, that held the quality of the job down.”
He added: “I think what the UK shouldn’t be doing is to continue to try to be a low-wage, low-skills, low-productivity
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The quality of the job went through the floor because of the government’s pro rail anti road policies that intend to send the industry back to the local delivery service of the 1920/30’s.That added to an elitist arbitrary ‘experience’ issue regarding what decent jobs are left.
Low productivety when he won’t allow LHV’s on the road he’s avin a larf.
ScaniaUltimate:
It seems a little mad to seriously consider the words of a pathological liar.
I weep. This backstabbing, lying, self serving, egotistical away with the faeries piece of bovine excrement who jumps onto any popular bandwagon for as long as itcallows him to bask in the warm glow of approval, says something true about trucks, and he’s the ■■■■■■■ messiah.
adam277:
Thats just ridiculous.
Personally I cant understand as a truck driver how you can not see the immediate benefit brexit has brought in terms of wage increases across the industry. Brexit has been good for truck drivers yet you still get a few on here who act like they would rather be in the EU working for like £9-10 an hour.
If you are a dyed-in-the-wool Labour voter then you simply can’t get this. Your father voted Labour and his father before him and that is the end of the logical thought process. The few remaining Labour supporters are totally incapable of seeing how much the Labour party despise the working class which it was originally founded to represent.
I would bet the farm that Labour will not win another General Election in my lifetime.
unfortunatly for me at 44 I probably will see another labour party. Seems to me that all you need for them to get into power is enough older voters to die off then the young will vote them in
Harry Monk:
I’ve never been a huge fan of the Conservative party (although the alternatives are no better) but I’ve never known a politico to be so on board with what we want…
Boris Johnson warned the road haulage industry it cannot expect to rely on cheap immigrant labour in the future - as fuel shortages got worse in London and the south east.
On a visit to Leeds General Infirmary, Mr Johnson said: “Of course we keep everything under review but what we don’t want to do is go back to a situation in which we basically allowed the road haulage industry to be sustained with a lot of low-wage immigration that meant that wages didn’t go up and the quality of the job didn’t go up.
“The weird thing is now, that people don’t want to go into the road haulage industry, don’t want to be lorry drivers, precisely because you have that mass immigration approach that held wages down, that held the quality of the job down.”
He added: “I think what the UK shouldn’t be doing is to continue to try to be a low-wage, low-skills, low-productivity economy.
“People don’t want that. They want us to be a well-paid, well-skilled, highly productive economy and that’s where we’re going.”
Over to you then Mr Starmer, when you’ve finished pontificating about who does and doesn’t have a cervix. You know, the sort of thing that really matters to your voter base.
Harry Monk:
Over to you then Mr Starmer, when you’ve finished pontificating about who does and doesn’t have a cervix. You know, the sort of thing that really matters to your voter base.
Thats just ridiculous.
Personally I cant understand as a truck driver how you can not see the immediate benefit brexit has brought in terms of wage increases across the industry. Brexit has been good for truck drivers yet you still get a few on here who act like they would rather be in the EU working for like £9-10 an hour.
Maybe I am just a selfish person who only cares about myself but I would rather not compete with drivers who live in a country who have a cost of living 3-4x less then myself.
whisperingsmith: > adam277: > Personally, I am not even against immigration but it should be us who choose who comes here not some “Free-movement” system that allows anyone who manages to get into the EU to come across. > Like NHS workers for example or Teachers. We don’t have to rely on just EU workers for this now. For example one of Cuba’s biggest exports is healthcare workers.
The ending of Free Movement impacts us more than the EU - we have lost our rights of movement.
WE are now in a similar position to those of the Soviet Block pre-Freedom.
Those of us of a certain age remember exiting Soviet Block Countries and the strict cab & truck searches. They were carried out to find anyone trying to leave the Soviet wonderland.
We are not quite as bad as that here yet, but I for one am seriously p1$$ed off with my loss of free movement - I tell a lie "I am realy, really, 4king Angry about it"
What you are saying is you cant be arsed applying for visas when ever you go on holiday to an EU country ,free movement only applied to the EU it has more than likely never been to the rest of the world.
adam277:
Thats just ridiculous.
Personally I cant understand as a truck driver how you can not see the immediate benefit brexit has brought in terms of wage increases across the industry. Brexit has been good for truck drivers yet you still get a few on here who act like they would rather be in the EU working for like £9-10 an hour.
If you are a dyed-in-the-wool Labour voter then you simply can’t get this. Your father voted Labour and his father before him and that is the end of the logical thought process. The few remaining Labour supporters are totally incapable of seeing how much the Labour party despise the working class which it was originally founded to represent.
I would bet the farm that Labour will not win another General Election in my lifetime.
People bet the farm the tories wouldn’t win again in 2004. Times change. You arn’t that old Harry! (I hope…)
Harry Monk:
I’ve never been a huge fan of the Conservative party (although the alternatives are no better) but I’ve never known a politico to be so on board with what we want…
Boris Johnson warned the road haulage industry it cannot expect to rely on cheap immigrant labour in the future - as fuel shortages got worse in London and the south east.
On a visit to Leeds General Infirmary, Mr Johnson said: “Of course we keep everything under review but what we don’t want to do is go back to a situation in which we basically allowed the road haulage industry to be sustained with a lot of low-wage immigration that meant that wages didn’t go up and the quality of the job didn’t go up.
“The weird thing is now, that people don’t want to go into the road haulage industry, don’t want to be lorry drivers, precisely because you have that mass immigration approach that held wages down, that held the quality of the job down.”
He added: “I think what the UK shouldn’t be doing is to continue to try to be a low-wage, low-skills, low-productivity economy.
“People don’t want that. They want us to be a well-paid, well-skilled, highly productive economy and that’s where we’re going.”
Over to you then Mr Starmer, when you’ve finished pontificating about who does and doesn’t have a cervix. You know, the sort of thing that really matters to your voter base.
I would tend to believe him more if it hadnt taken a complete collapse in driver numbers before suggesting a payrise.
I imagine if you are PM (any party) the in tray is always full and you deal with what’s at the top. Haulage was getting by so it could be left.
As for the Labour Party…im a woman not a person with a cervix who may or may not be female. They really need to drop the identity politics that 5% of their electorate have any interest in.
JeffA:
The tories have had by far the most time in office over the last 100 years - but everything positive - like the NHS - was created by (old) Labour.
And in a nutshell that explains the problems of the current Labour party, if they had remained true to their roots they might be more electable
Hard to stay the same tho - from '79 the tories closed heavy industry hoping to turn us into a cheap labour paradise. It worked for 40 years - then it went wrong. Most old labour voters could depend on getting a house, a good well-paid job. After Thatcher - that all died.
JeffA:
The tories have had by far the most time in office over the last 100 years - but everything positive - like the NHS - was created by (old) Labour.
The NHS was a Socialist solution to low wages that didn’t meet the costs of health care.
The result was Callagahan’s wage controls and the debt ridden rationed basket case that such a solution predictably resulted in.
Good luck anyone of that generation now asking the friendly NHS for vascular micro surgery to save them from dying of gangrene.Or an intensive care bed on demand.
Liverpool Pathways then being the default choice.
Old Labour/real labour, as opposed to a self serving far left institution, would have concentrated on wages within the Capitalist system, at levels which could sustain decent health care just like Germany.
Instead of which we got Callaghan’s social contract and jobs exported to Euroland.
Who needs Tories with friends like that.
