muckles:
There are a lot of tales of gassing people truck drivers, holiday makers, etc. so I won’t say it can’t happen, just like many others who are sceptical have a few questions.
If you get anesthetics wrong you’ll either kill somebody or they won’t go fully under, anesthetists train for years to do their job, and they have to take many factors in to consideration when they decide the dose they use, they then continue to monitor the life signs for the rest of the operation.
The one recorded event where anesthetic gas was used to knock out people in a building, (the Moscow theatre siege as mentioned by Chester)130 of the 850 hostages died, mostly because they were overcome by the gas, but all these criminals can run round Europe gassing people and there are no recorded fatalities.
With trucks the stories were they pumped the gas through the night heater intake, but the night heater is a sealed unit, the intake is only supplying air to the combustion side which is then passed out of the night heater exhaust, it never enters the cab otherwise you’d risk carbon monoxide poisoning.
I believe air con units in building are the same, the unit on the outside wall is a compressor/cooler that cools the refrigerant that then is passed through pipes to the unit inside where it cools the air that is already in the building by passing over the coils, then the refrigerant goes back to the compressor cooler, it’s a closed circuit.
Agreed +++ x a million
I’m sorry, I don’t care whether people claim to have had it happen, it’s complete bollix
I’ve read a serious article by anaesthestist (spelling) who said it couldn’t be done. Too many tales from people. Also how much would be needed for a luxury villa.
Seems like as is usual within this forum there are loads of people posting saying it couldn’t happen but as far as I am concerned you are all ignorant [zb] [zbs], you don’t know so you assume you know it all just like you assume you are a ‘professional’ steering wheel attendant, there are stranger things happen in this world than having to sit in a RDC drivers room for ages you know.
To be honest from the reply from what harry posted and someone else with the link to the website of the collage of Anaesthetists,
Its hard to dispute, years of knowledge from the pro’s when I know 99.9% of us here know nothing about the gasses.
Like they say there is no chemicals / gases going around that anyone knows of that is capable of doing this, that is portable, safe and without an odour.
Harry Monk:
Dear Mr Kirby,
Thank you for your enquiry. I would like to inform you that you are not the first enquirer with this question. Professor Hatch, our Clinical Advisor, has given the following previous comments:
"I can give you a categorical assurance that it would not be possible to render someone unconscious with ether without their knowledge, even if they were sleeping at the time. Ether is an extremely pungent agent and a relatively weak anaesthetic by modern standards and has a very irritant affect of the air passages, causing coughing and sometimes vomiting. It takes some time to reach unconsciousness, even if given by direct application to the face on a rag, and the concentration needed by some sort of spray into a room would be enormous. The smell hangs around for days and would be obvious to anyone the next day.
There are much more powerful agents around now, some of which are almost odourless. However, these would be unlikely to be able to achieve the effect you describe, and the cost would be huge enough to deter any thief unless he was after the crown jewels.The only practicable agent is probably the one used by the Russians in the Moscow siege - I advised the BBC on their programme about this. The general feeling is that they used an agent which is not available outside the KGB!
Finally, unsupervised anaesthesia, which is what we are really talking about is very dangerous. In the Moscow siege about 20% of victims died from asphyxia, because their airways were unprotected. If the reports you talk about are true I would have expected a significant number of deaths or cases of serious brain damage to have been reported."
Despite the increasing numbers of reports of people being gassed in motor-homes or commercial trucks in France, and the warning put out by the Foreign Office for travellers to be aware of this danger, this College remains of the view that this is a myth.
It is the view of the College that it would not be possible to render someone unconscious by blowing ether, chloroform or any of the currently used volatile anaesthetic agents, through the window of a motor-home without their knowledge, even if they were sleeping at the time. Ether is an extremely pungent agent and a relatively weak anaesthetic by modern standards and has a very irritant affect on the air passages, causing coughing and sometimes vomiting. It takes some time to reach unconsciousness, even if given by direct application to the face on a cloth, and the concentration needed by some sort of spray administered directly into a room would be enormous. The smell hangs around for days and would be obvious to anyone the next day. Even the more powerful modern volatile agents would need to be delivered in tankerloads of carrier gas by a large compressor. Potential agents, such as the one used by the Russians in the Moscow siege are few in number and difficult to obtain. Moreover, these drugs would be too expensive for the average thief to use.
The other important point to remember is that general anaesthetics are potentially very dangerous, which is why they are only administered in the UK by doctors who have undergone many years of postgraduate training in the subject and who remain with the unconscious patient throughout the anaesthetic. Unsupervised patients are likely to die from obstruction of the airway by their tongues falling back. In the Moscow seige approximately 20% of the people died, many probably from airway obstruction directly related to the agent used.
If there was a totally safe, odourless, potent, cheap anaesthetic agent available to thieves for this purpose it is likely the medical profession would know about it and be investigating its use in anaesthetic practice.
raymundo:
Seems like as is usual within this forum there are loads of people posting saying it couldn’t happen but as far as I am concerned you are all ignorant [zb] t.wats, you don’t know so you assume you know it all just like you assume you are a ‘professional’ steering wheel attendant, there are stranger things happen in this world than having to sit in a RDC drivers room for ages you know.
Raymundo, do you have 100% proof that you were gassed?? I mean proof, not an assumption due to no other identified cause?
How can a professor of anaesthesia be wrong on this? They’re putting thousands of people to sleep every day across the world, they’ve trained for many years at millions of pounds worth of expense - they know what they’re talking about
I would like to withdraw my last statement about fully qualified medical people knowing what they are on about. Especially when the contrary arguement comes from an rdc wallower.
i reckon we should put a team on University Challenge from this forum.we could be the ‘University of Hard Knocks’ we’d beat any of those other teams of pasty faced kids
From my experience every bloke that says he has been gassed also just missed the herald of free enterprise and has had police out to an rdc to chalk round the wheels.
Not saying it can’t happen but iv only heard it ever allegedly happen to these type of clowns
Raymundo, why have you called us all ignorant twunts ?Your drink was spiked when you had your incident.
On Radio Two yesterday, a driver rang in on the JV show, he was paid in cash for a removal job in Spain and robbed over night.
The police told him they found a small hole in the rubber seal for the windscreen.
And suggested that Rhipnol was used, this is a ■■■■■■■■■ drug that is ingested not administered as a gas.
It seems the police are feeding the gas rumours around Europe and beyond.
I think Jensen left the windows open and the insurance would not pay out, so the gas story covers that excuse.
Why Toby ? because some of you are !!
I posted the full account of what happened to me and another crew member in full when the subject cropped three or so years or so ago so have no intention in doing so again but I know what happened and so does he. There was no alcohol consumed prior to the incident and if the said incident were a load of crap why would the Dutch river police call a doctor immediately and actually have two turn up within about ten minutes and after tests confirm that we HAD been drugged and that there had been an alarming rise in the number of times this was happening around the ports. But what do those doctors and the police know, they should be on this forum to get all the correct answers from the ‘knowitalls’ who can ‘copy an paste’. You have a theory, I have the facts. End of !!
I hope you enjoy your next bike ride, dinner with the mayor and screwing his daughter afterwards.
raymundo:
Why Toby ? because some of you are !!
I posted the full account of what happened to me and another crew member in full when the subject cropped three or so years or so ago so have no intention in doing so again but I know what happened and so does he. There was no alcohol consumed prior to the incident and if the said incident were a load of crap why would the Dutch river police call a doctor immediately and actually have two turn up within about ten minutes and after tests confirm that we HAD been drugged and that there had been an alarming rise in the number of times this was happening around the ports. But what do those doctors and the police know, they should be on this forum to get all the correct answers from the ‘knowitalls’ who can ‘copy an paste’. You have a theory, I have the facts. End of !!
I hope you enjoy your next bike ride, dinner with the mayor and screwing his daughter afterwards.
I’m not saying your lying but it’s hard to believe you when the pro’s who are all over this stuff say they have not got any info of any new types of drugs/gases available, but a petty thief can get his hands on this and can work out the dosage for each victim, and not leave any evidence, If you can give me some solid evidence then you may be able to persuade me other wise.
carryfast-yeti:
i reckon we should put a team on University Challenge from this forum.we could be the ‘University of Hard Knocks’ we’d beat any of those other teams of pasty faced kids
There’s quiet a gap in the market between the most elite and the scumbags…
raymundo:
Why Toby ? because some of you are !!
I posted the full account of what happened to me and another crew member in full when the subject cropped three or so years or so ago so have no intention in doing so again but I know what happened and so does he. There was no alcohol consumed prior to the incident and if the said incident were a load of crap why would the Dutch river police call a doctor immediately and actually have two turn up within about ten minutes and after tests confirm that we HAD been drugged and that there had been an alarming rise in the number of times this was happening around the ports. But what do those doctors and the police know, they should be on this forum to get all the correct answers from the ‘knowitalls’ who can ‘copy an paste’. You have a theory, I have the facts. End of !!
I hope you enjoy your next bike ride, dinner with the mayor and screwing his daughter afterwards.
I’m not saying your lying but it’s hard to believe you when the pro’s who are all over this stuff say they have not got any info of any new types of drugs/gases available, but a petty thief can get his hands on this and can work out the dosage for each victim, and not leave any evidence, If you can give me some solid evidence then you may be able to persuade me other wise.
I give up, OK OK I made it all up because I spend too much time on Trucknet and like to be like the majority on here, know ■■■■ all about anything that goes on outside that little metal box in the real world so have to pretend things happen so that maybe someone will say ‘Oh poor you’. Whether you believe me or not makes no difference whatsoever as I don’t give a flying ■■■■ either way. Have a nice day.
