unfortunately a map doesnt tell you of any diversions or roadworks that could make the chosen route take longer.
prob not put the best way but you know what i mean. 
jessicas dad:
Robbies Dad:
If you brought back flats,half the drivers on here would need to pack up.Back door boys and curtain tuggers
yeah and whats wrong with that times have moved on and for the better i cant rope and sheet and have no intention of learning its dosent make me a worse driver in fact for some strange reason i would rather pull back a curtain than try and sheet a trailer in the wind and rain.
times have moved on.
and every day on the radio we here of overturned wagons and shed loads.
why, thats because drivers dont rope and sheet and simply close the curtains and forget about the load…
curtains are not a means of load restraint.
Lucy:
Should I hand my licence back to DVLA now, as I cannot yet pass the “all seeing, all knowing” test■■?
But - what needs to be appreciated is that those born with a licence often look down theirs noses at those of us that weren’t 
The same sort of people that stand around sniggering at some poor newbie struggling to get on a bay.
dave:
jessicas dad:
Robbies Dad:
If you brought back flats,half the drivers on here would need to pack up.Back door boys and curtain tuggers
yeah and whats wrong with that times have moved on and for the better i cant rope and sheet and have no intention of learning its dosent make me a worse driver in fact for some strange reason i would rather pull back a curtain than try and sheet a trailer in the wind and rain.
times have moved on.
and every day on the radio we here of overturned wagons and shed loads.
why, thats because drivers dont rope and sheet and simply close the curtains and forget about the load…
curtains are not a means of load restraint.
did i say they was a means of restraint in fact i think im showing signs of restraint my self on this thread when a driver gets a gob full of experianced well so called experianaced drivers for having the audacity to ask a best way for a route and another numpty has a go at drivers for not being able to rope and sheet 
curtains are there to protect the load from the elements of the weather and yes they do provide a means of RESTRAINT actually thats why the lorries you mention dave are going over BECAUSE the curtain has held the load in and stopped it falling all onto the road. i think but im not sure but someone will tell us that each buckle on a curtain side has to withstand 3 tonnes so 20 buckles on one side …
i think you will find that the vast majority of drivers with curtainsider have the attitude that because it is covered by the curtains it will not fall off the trailer.Your remark about 3 tonne straps makes no sense at all.Just have one pallet with one tonne on it move to the curtain and see what happens to the curtain,it will bulge out quite significant amount.Its a case of out of sight out of mind.
Even euroliners will bulge out if something moves to the edge of the trailer.
Robbies Dad:
Just have one pallet with one tonne on it move to the curtain and see what happens to the curtain,it will bulge out quite significant amount.Its a case of out of sight out of mind.
Even euroliners will bulge out if something moves to the edge of the trailer.
As opposed to falling off and spilling all over the road ■■?
Loads should still be secured tho.
Although I haven’t pulled a cyrtainsider for a few of years, when I did, they had internal straps
Robbies Dad:
i.Your remark about 3 tonne straps makes no sense at all.Just have one pallet with one tonne on it move to the curtain and see what happens to the curtain,it will bulge out quite significant amount.Its a case of out of sight out of mind.
the 3 ton remark meant that the verticle strape on the curtain holding the buckle are made to with stand a force of 3 ton against it before snapping.
jessicas dad:
dave:
jessicas dad:
Robbies Dad:
If you brought back flats,half the drivers on here would need to pack up.Back door boys and curtain tuggers
yeah and whats wrong with that times have moved on and for the better i cant rope and sheet and have no intention of learning its dosent make me a worse driver in fact for some strange reason i would rather pull back a curtain than try and sheet a trailer in the wind and rain.
times have moved on.
and every day on the radio we here of overturned wagons and shed loads.
why, thats because drivers dont rope and sheet and simply close the curtains and forget about the load…
curtains are not a means of load restraint.curtains are there to protect the load from the elements of the weather and yes they do provide a means of RESTRAINT actually thats why the lorries you mention dave are going over BECAUSE the curtain has held the load in and stopped it falling all onto the road. i think but im not sure but someone will tell us that each buckle on a curtain side has to withstand 3 tonnes so 20 buckles on one side …
I am not 100% sure, JD, but I think you will find the curtains are NOT a recognised method of restraint for a load. Brit_Mark may know for sure but in Germany now, they are fining drivers for unrestrained loads.
Lets face it, the reason we have ragsiders now is because times have changed. Someone sat there one day and thought “Why don’t we make life easier and put a roof and curtains on the trailer” Quicker loading times equals quicker turnaround times. In the old days, you might take only 15 minutes to be loaded but then spent anything from one to two hours to sheet the load down securely. Especially, if as it seemed every time I took a flat out, it was peeing it down with rain 
By the way, I would never slate a driver for being unable to rope and sheet. I am unlucky enough to be that old that thats how it was done on my firm. Good luck to the guys that have never had to do it. But it does come in handy sometimes knowing how to tie those blinking knots.
The way I was taught, you don’t expect anything to be held down effectively unless you’d be happy to pick it up by the same means.
In practise that means that when I load a trailer, I imagine turning it upside-down. If I think the load would stay in, I’m happy.
Hence there are some loads I would be happy pulling with only curtains for restraint, and some I wouldn’t. 
Ps. I was taught that method on General and Ag…hence I also know how to rope and sheet, and properly strap down steel. 
TheBear:
But then I forget, I am an old ■■■■ who looks at a map instead of the latest gizmo with a soppy tart telling you which way to go.
That rings a bell with me Austin, good job you decided not to run down to Barce with Neil Wednesday though
Salut, David.
Spardo:
TheBear:
But then I forget, I am an old ■■■■ who looks at a map instead of the latest gizmo with a soppy tart telling you which way to go.
Salut, David.
I would have put something in her mouth, David lolol
Mind you, surely even Coffee didn’t use her for that run. Oh he might have cos I rang him Thursday afternoon and he told me exactly how far from the Conference Centre he was lol
Robbies Dad:
Back door boys and curtain tuggers
Err…maybe thats another type of website your talking about!!! 
Made me laugh anyway.
Wouldnt it be easier to not go to Yarmouth? where did they get the Great from anyway.
Mind you some people live there! oops, so does PMAC