newmercman:
Interrupting weekly rest period, if I was quoted that, you would be on a permanent rest period. A driver with that attitude is going to be far more trouble than they’re worth.
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Or if those drivers took their firm to court for repeatedly doing it every weekend they would win their case, as Stobarts drivers in Ireland did a few years ago …( if I remember rightly that is.)
It’s pedantic yeh of course it is, driver being arsey? that is debateable.
These type of bloody stupid rules are made, and required to be adhered to, by those that make them and by the law.
Up to the point where drivers are ridculously getting bollocked for going a minute over or something as if they have committed a major crime with some firms .
So… how selective have you to be with all this crap?
Are you supposed to cherry pick through it all by your own judgement, as to which you should stick to or ignore, or what?..
So don’t take the ■■■■ out of the o/p save it for the body who devise this whole cluster ■■■■ of bloody stupid rules, and press for it all to be simplified.
To add, …in my case after I am booked off for the night or over the weekend, and my firm rings (they don’t now btw as they’ve got the message) I do not answer it, so everybody can rip the ■■■■ out of me also if you like.
newmercman:
Interrupting weekly rest period, if I was quoted that, you would be on a permanent rest period. A driver with that attitude is going to be far more trouble than they’re worth.
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Or if those drivers took their firm to court for repeatedly doing it every weekend they would win their case, as Stobarts drivers in Ireland did a few years ago …( if I remember rightly that is.)
It’s pedantic yeh of course it is, driver being arsey? that is debateable.
These type of bloody stupid rules are made, and required to be adhered to, by those that make them and by the law.
Up to the point where drivers are ridculously getting bollocked for going a minute over or something as if they have committed a major crime with some firms .
So… how selective have you to be with all this crap?
Are you supposed to cherry pick through it all by your own judgement, as to which you should stick to or ignore, or what?..
So don’t take the ■■■■ out of the o/p save it for the body who devise this whole cluster [zb] of bloody stupid rules, and press for it all to be simplified.
To add, …in my case after I am booked off for the night or over the weekend, and my firm rings (they don’t now btw as they’ve got the message) I do not answer it, so everybody can rip the ■■■■ out of me also if you like.
Cheers, someone that’s aware of the laws and how they’ve been enforced in the past.
I’ve been in jobs where you work 12days straight, finish late then start early. The rules we have are a pain. But they do a good job of keeping employers in line.
chester1:
So next time you go to a job and it’s cancelled and you ask why no one told you I think you have your answer
Just to go down that route, …I would say (broadly speaking) that technically due to the fact that it’s the law not to disturb a driver’s obligatory rest, and they (should) know that.
So they would have to pay him…?
Unless they contacted him when his legal rest time was complete.
Hey, maybe I’m talking ■■■■■■■■ here, but I would say it’s the letter of the law, then again I don’t use agencies, mainly for the title of the thread.
newmercman:
Interrupting weekly rest period, if I was quoted that, you would be on a permanent rest period. A driver with that attitude is going to be far more trouble than they’re worth.
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Or if those drivers took their firm to court for repeatedly doing it every weekend they would win their case, as Stobarts drivers in Ireland did a few years ago …( if I remember rightly that is.)
It’s pedantic yeh of course it is, driver being arsey? that is debateable.
These type of bloody stupid rules are made, and required to be adhered to, by those that make them and by the law.
Up to the point where drivers are ridculously getting bollocked for going a minute over or something as if they have committed a major crime with some firms .
So… how selective have you to be with all this crap?
Are you supposed to cherry pick through it all by your own judgement, as to which you should stick to or ignore, or what?..
So don’t take the ■■■■ out of the o/p save it for the body who devise this whole cluster [zb] of bloody stupid rules, and press for it all to be simplified.
To add, …in my case after I am booked off for the night or over the weekend, and my firm rings (they don’t now btw as they’ve got the message) I do not answer it, so everybody can rip the ■■■■ out of me also if you like.
I don’t have an us and them mentality, so maybe that’s why I think the way I do about this situation. If you have a job with flexible start times then it’s only to be expected that you will need to be informed of your start time. Things change in transport all the time, so there’s a good chance your start time could be changed, how are you to find this out if you don’t have some form of communication with the company?
To say that your rest period us being interrogated by a phone call is, in my opinion, absolutely pathetic, the kind of thing that used to be made fun of before all the PC ■■■■■■■■ and everyone started getting feelings. There was even a segment on That’s Life with Esther Rantzen that highlighted what was termed as “jobsworths”
newmercman:
Interrupting weekly rest period, if I was quoted that, you would be on a permanent rest period. A driver with that attitude is going to be far more trouble than they’re worth.
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Or if those drivers took their firm to court for repeatedly doing it every weekend they would win their case, as Stobarts drivers in Ireland did a few years ago …( if I remember rightly that is.)
It’s pedantic yeh of course it is, driver being arsey? that is debateable.
These type of bloody stupid rules are made, and required to be adhered to, by those that make them and by the law.
Up to the point where drivers are ridculously getting bollocked for going a minute over or something as if they have committed a major crime with some firms .
So… how selective have you to be with all this crap?
Are you supposed to cherry pick through it all by your own judgement, as to which you should stick to or ignore, or what?..
So don’t take the ■■■■ out of the o/p save it for the body who devise this whole cluster [zb] of bloody stupid rules, and press for it all to be simplified.
To add, …in my case after I am booked off for the night or over the weekend, and my firm rings (they don’t now btw as they’ve got the message) I do not answer it, so everybody can rip the ■■■■ out of me also if you like.
I don’t have an us and them mentality, so maybe that’s why I think the way I do about this situation. If you have a job with flexible start times then it’s only to be expected that you will need to be informed of your start time. Things change in transport all the time, so there’s a good chance your start time could be changed, how are you to find this out if you don’t have some form of communication with the company?
To say that your rest period us being interrogated by a phone call is, in my opinion, absolutely pathetic, the kind of thing that used to be made fun of before all the PC ■■■■■■■■ and everyone started getting feelings. There was even a segment on That’s Life with Esther Rantzen that highlighted what was termed as “jobsworths”
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Absolutely pathetic?..you know what?..maybe you’re right mate.
Thing is In my case I actually work for a ‘‘Us and Them’’ type firm, so I reciprocate accordinglly…a reap what you sow situation.
When I did work for a ‘‘Team firm’’ I was an integral part of that team, a model employee who helped out whenever I could, bent the rules on the odd occasion, AND was amply rewarded for it and I was very much appreciated …a different version of reap what you sow.
Now with my present co, I’m purely mercenary, as on head depot terms I am in their view and consideration ‘An arse on a seat’’ and have to put up with stuff like nasty memos etc that illustrate their attitude.
I work for the money, the fact that I like the job I do and that I’ m left alone is the main reason I have not moved on.
Hope that explains my ‘‘Absutely pathetic’’ opinion and pov.
Looks like I’ve been lucky in where I’ve worked then. I wouldn’t put up with that kind of thing, no seriously I wouldn’t. Not just internet tough guy stuff, I wouldn’t work somewhere that I was considered “the enemy” I just don’t have any tolerance for that kind of thing.
The wife and I are looking into moving to another part of the country and I did a bit of research in case I had to find new work for my lorries, reading through the T&Cs at the few places I contacted was a bit of an eye opener, the companies expect me to invest hundreds of thousands to be treated like a school leaver, giving a weeks notice if I wanted a day off (just a day off after a week or more at work, not an extra day off) can’t do this, can’t do that, must do this, must do that. The meetings never lasted very long!
chester1:
So next time you go to a job and it’s cancelled and you ask why no one told you I think you have your answer
Just to go down that route, …I would say (broadly speaking) that technically due to the fact that it’s the law not to disturb a driver’s obligatory rest, and they (should) know that.
So they would have to pay him…?
Unless they contacted him when his legal rest time was complete.
Hey, maybe I’m talking ■■■■■■■■ here, but I would say it’s the letter of the law, then again I don’t use agencies, mainly for the title of the thread.
Although I can see your point Rob, I’d only get arsey about if I was working for one of those companies that tried micro-managing me and dragging me over the coals for any minor infringement of the regs, etc then play them at their own game, rules is rules and they should be obeyed regardless.
However if you working for somebody who is decent, trusts you to get the job done the way you see fit and doesn’t treat the odd infringement as the end of civilisation as we know it, then what’s the point of being all mardy because they call you once in a while when you’re at home.
PS I have seen you’ve written something similar further on.
Replying “ok” to a text message is hardly the end of the world.
Things change, including start times. Its why companies use agencies in the first place. Its hardly life or death and to be honest, moaning about it interrupting your weekly rest is pathetic IMO.
It’s barely covered under “being messed about” either.
My start times (and sometimes even the company im going to work for) can change during my days off but rather than be awkward I simply reply “ok”. Its why I have never been without a shift on any day ive been available for the last 4 years, including January to April, while I listen to other drivers complain they only get 1 or 2 shifts a week, and sometimes none.
In short, man up or get a full time gig that has a dedicated start time because it doesnt sound like agency work is for you
I’m with Snowman on this. They contact you to change your start time by one hour and you come on here moaning?. I often get two or three changes and destinations but get on with it. No problem. Bloody snowflakes
newmercman:
Looks like I’ve been lucky in where I’ve worked then. I wouldn’t put up with that kind of thing, no seriously I wouldn’t. Not just internet tough guy stuff, I wouldn’t work somewhere that I was considered “the enemy” I just don’t have any tolerance for that kind of thing.
The wife and I are looking into moving to another part of the country and I did a bit of research in case I had to find new work for my lorries, reading through the T&Cs at the few places I contacted was a bit of an eye opener, the companies expect me to invest hundreds of thousands to be treated like a school leaver, giving a weeks notice if I wanted a day off (just a day off after a week or more at work, not an extra day off) can’t do this, can’t do that, must do this, must do that. The meetings never lasted very long!
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Would not go as far as being considered ‘‘The enemy’’ but one of our lads summed it up in one by saying… ‘‘I don’t know why xxxxx has a haulage firm, because he ■■■■ hates lorry drivers’’
At my depot the situation aint too bad tbh, but all the rules are made at
head depot level… no way in hell could I work for those lot.
These firms do not realise that if drivers were treated like grown ups, that they would get much more co.operation out of those with a head on their shoulders, but the arse crawlers and yes men kind of mask the situation, those guys just put up with any old crap dished out to them which kinda exacerbates the situation and makes things worse for the rest.
chester1:
So next time you go to a job and it’s cancelled and you ask why no one told you I think you have your answer
Just to go down that route, …I would say (broadly speaking) that technically due to the fact that it’s the law not to disturb a driver’s obligatory rest, and they (should) know that.
So they would have to pay him…?
Unless they contacted him when his legal rest time was complete.
Hey, maybe I’m talking ■■■■■■■■ here, but I would say it’s the letter of the law, then again I don’t use agencies, mainly for the title of the thread.
Possibly. but I think his reply will end up biting him on the bum one day .id say a text at 16.15 is quite reasonable regardless of breaks
The-Snowman:
Replying “ok” to a text message is hardly the end of the world.
Things change, including start times. Its why companies use agencies in the first place. Its hardly life or death and to be honest, moaning about it interrupting your weekly rest is pathetic IMO.
It’s barely covered under “being messed about” either.
My start times (and sometimes even the company im going to work for) can change during my days off but rather than be awkward I simply reply “ok”. Its why I have never been without a shift on any day ive been available for the last 4 years, including January to April, while I listen to other drivers complain they only get 1 or 2 shifts a week, and sometimes none.
In short, man up or get a full time gig that has a dedicated start time because it doesnt sound like agency work is for you
The essential element of the Stobarts case mentioned was that the drivers concerned were required to phone in at specific times to get their start times/locations - i.e. They successfully argued it was a duty commitment and so they were not “free to dispose of their time” at the relevant times - e.g. they couldn’t choose to go scuba diving/shagging/hiking in the mountains because they were required to make those phone calls. This is not the same as the office sending a text advising of start times or changes thereto. In the case of a text/letter/email the recipient is free to choose whether or not he opens said communication or leaves it until a more convenient time.
The OP might also like to note that the Stobart case in question had nothing to do with enforcement of drivers’ hours legislation - the Irish equivalent of DVSA were not involved. It was an action taken through the Irish equivalent of an employment tribunal.
newmercman:
Interrupting weekly rest period, if I was quoted that, you would be on a permanent rest period. A driver with that attitude is going to be far more trouble than they’re worth.
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Or if those drivers took their firm to court for repeatedly doing it every weekend they would win their case, as Stobarts drivers in Ireland did a few years ago …( if I remember rightly that is.)
It’s pedantic yeh of course it is, driver being arsey? that is debateable.
These type of bloody stupid rules are made, and required to be adhered to, by those that make them and by the law.
Up to the point where drivers are ridculously getting bollocked for going a minute over or something as if they have committed a major crime with some firms .
So… how selective have you to be with all this crap?
Are you supposed to cherry pick through it all by your own judgement, as to which you should stick to or ignore, or what?..
So don’t take the ■■■■ out of the o/p save it for the body who devise this whole cluster [zb] of bloody stupid rules, and press for it all to be simplified.
To add, …in my case after I am booked off for the night or over the weekend, and my firm rings (they don’t now btw as they’ve got the message) I do not answer it, so everybody can rip the ■■■■ out of me also if you like.
One wonders whether the OP is as fastidious about all the rules if they’re complaining about receiving a text on their weekly rest. One wonders if they strap every load down to the standards VOSA expect, do a proper walk around and don’t take out a truck if its got a marker light out or one bulb out of a pair on a rear sidelight. One wonders whether the OP has their tacho on break or Other Work/PoA when tipping on a bay. One wonders whether they brake to the new lower speed limit before they pass the sign, whether they make sure they don’t accelerate to the higher one until they’ve passed the sign, whether they park on double yellows waiting to get into a place to unload…
I would be probably safe in saying the OP interprets the rules to their benefit when they see fit rather than following them to the letter, especially on a Friday.
Conor:
One wonders whether the OP is as fastidious about all the rules if they’re complaining about receiving a text on their weekly rest. One wonders if they strap every load down to the standards VOSA expect, do a proper walk around and don’t take out a truck if its got a marker light out or one bulb out of a pair on a rear sidelight. One wonders whether the OP has their tacho on break or Other Work/PoA when tipping on a bay. One wonders whether they brake to the new lower speed limit before they pass the sign, whether they make sure they don’t accelerate to the higher one until they’ve passed the sign…
I would be probably safe in saying the OP interprets the rules to their benefit when they see fit rather than following them to the letter, especially on a Friday.
The-Snowman:
Replying “ok” to a text message is hardly the end of the world.
Things change, including start times. Its why companies use agencies in the first place. Its hardly life or death and to be honest, moaning about it interrupting your weekly rest is pathetic IMO.
It’s barely covered under “being messed about” either.
My start times (and sometimes even the company im going to work for) can change during my days off but rather than be awkward I simply reply “ok”. Its why I have never been without a shift on any day ive been available for the last 4 years, including January to April, while I listen to other drivers complain they only get 1 or 2 shifts a week, and sometimes none.
In short, man up or get a full time gig that has a dedicated start time because it doesnt sound like agency work is for you
The essential element of the Stobarts case mentioned was that the drivers concerned were required to phone in at specific times to get their start times/locations - i.e. They successfully argued it was a duty commitment and so they were not “free to dispose of their time” at the relevant times - e.g. they couldn’t choose to go scuba diving/shagging/hiking in the mountains because they were required to make those phone calls. This is not the same as the office sending a text advising of start times or changes thereto. In the case of a text/letter/email the recipient is free to choose whether or not he opens said communication or leaves it until a more convenient time.
The OP might also like to note that the Stobart case in question had nothing to do with enforcement of drivers’ hours legislation - the Irish equivalent of DVSA were not involved. It was an action taken through the Irish equivalent of an employment tribunal.
Was just going to add about the Stobarts thing always gets misinterpreted but you beat me to it.
…( if I remember rightly that is.)
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