Well my dad has just fell off his chair when we have been quoted for our 40 drivers to be put through their cpc training, its not just the cost, its the time off the roads and most of them round ourway are starting to hike prices up for the weekends and we honestly cannot afford to park trucks up, and tbh its the Saturday morning loads that make up the week for us or give us a head start on the Monday. So dad thinks if I am doing the training then I will be at the yard anyway and it would not matter if i did one driver or 20. So I have been looking at the possibility of me doing the training in house… problem is I get nervous… and don’t want to make a suggestion of me doing it, if I am going to be made to look a pratt by some of the men.
You know what its like… daddy’s boy and all that crap… so come on do your worst - what is the most awful question you would ask a cpc trainer to tie them up in knots… and if I think I will be able to cope I may just go for it !
Jenson Button:
Well my dad has just fell off his chair when we have been quoted for our 40 drivers to be put through their cpc training, its not just the cost, its the time off the roads and most of them round ourway are starting to hike prices up for the weekends and we honestly cannot afford to park trucks up, and tbh its the Saturday morning loads that make up the week for us or give us a head start on the Monday. So dad thinks if I am doing the training then I will be at the yard anyway and it would not matter if i did one driver or 20. So I have been looking at the possibility of me doing the training in house… problem is I get nervous… and don’t want to make a suggestion of me doing it, if I am going to be made to look a pratt by some of the men.
You know what its like… daddy’s boy and all that crap… so come on do your worst - what is the most awful question you would ask a cpc trainer to tie them up in knots… and if I think I will be able to cope I may just go for it !
What’s the next line after “young man on a lonely platform”?
I asked a training bloke that once and he had the answer straight away.
Big laugh all round, instant respect, (for him) brilliant course, job done. 
Cheers mate… that would have floored me ! 
Jenson Button:
Cheers mate… that would have floored me !
Very important to know your Communards’ lyrics before taking any course! 
Seriously though mate, I’ve done the PTLLS course (I assume you will be too) and it’s very good. Most important to “not lose the room” as the saying goes, a bit of banter and humour (but not too much) goes a long way. 
Its called a Drivers C.P.C. in short your dad does not have to pay for the drivers courses.The old man could pay the £60 t0 £100 x 5 for all of his drivers just to watch them all hand in their notice and fill some of the 50,000 vacancies that we keep hearing about.
alamcculloch:
Its called a Drivers C.P.C. in short your dad does not have to pay for the drivers courses.The old man could pay the £60 t0 £100 x 5 for all of his drivers just to watch them all hand in their notice and fill some of the 50,000 vacancies that we keep hearing about.
what a ■■■■ you must be to come out with a statement like that on a truckdrivers forum
I have merely stated facts, if I have said something that is wrong or untrue please let me know. My employer has been paying for drivers courses but does not pay us to attend.If you are located in Wales or Scotland then you can apply for funding for the course.If you are English or residing in England then you ,the driver are responsible for your own DCPC.Thats how the cookie crumbles.
alamcculloch:
I have merely stated facts, if I have said something that is wrong or untrue please let me know. My employer has been paying for drivers courses but does not pay us to attend.If you are located in Wales or Scotland then you can apply for funding for the course.If you are English or residing in England then you ,the driver are responsible for your own DCPC.Thats how the cookie crumbles.
the employers obvously willing to pay to train his drivers, and i applaud him for that, as i believe that any compulsary training to enable a employee to do his job should be paid for him but your trying to convince him not to, what a ■■■■ you are
I have not tried to convince any one on here.The employer does not have to pay a cost that he is not liable for. Fair play to the boss man if he takes on the added cost and I hope that he can set it aside as a business cost to secure a tax break.
I had the same thing at my last employment. We decided to setup delivering the DCPC ourselves. i did all the centre approval and courses etc
Centre approval is £1500 for 5 years. Each 7 hour course is £250 for 12 months. Plus you’ll neeed a relevant QA policy and various bits of documentation and control systems in place. or you could join a consortium and line their pockets.
Anyway - I did all that, delivered the CPC for our own drivers from September 2009 onwards, then started bringing in local companies that we knew and now I no longer work there and run my own training business including DCPC.
I don’t know what your old fella has been quoted - don’t know where you are in the country but to give you an idea on prices … my current charges means training at yours with 15 drivers in the room works out around £28.00 each just about and that’s at a weekend. All of a sudden doing it yourself doesn’t sound like it’ll save you much.
If you need any help/advice drop me a message.
PS
I don’t care who pays - employee or employer as long as someone pays 
And … there’s nothing worse than standing up in front of drivers that know more than you …
Just not happened to me yet
I think there is always an opportunity that a driver will have more in depth or specific knowledge than a trainer… after all you cant have done every job with every truck can you. But i am hoping that someone that is not an aroggant toss (like one of the blokes that came touting for business was) who knows where to look will get some credit from the room, rather than one that just says "its not relevant or try’s to be little the driver.
As my dad always says “he wishes he could put his head on my shoulders” he has a lifetimes worth of knowledge that its impossible for me to gain, just because the industry now it wholly differant to what it was when he started out.
So bringing it back to my intial question:- What would you ask to test a trainers knowldge?
cheers
p.s. why do lorry drivers want to listen to the comundards…?
I would say that there would be a training provider close to you that provides an open course that you can send 1 driver at a time so not to disrupt your operation. It is not worth the time, hassle or cost for you to do it.
We thought about this - sending one at a time… but with 40 drivers and most of them with ZERO hours… a couple booked on ADR courses… when you look at it we dont have that many weekends left… each driver needs 5 training lots between now and Sept 2014… I know it sounds daft but there are only about 120 ish weekends left…before its due to be enforced, so we are already behind schedule with our current drivers, and you always have a bit of a merry go round at somepoint - ours is due later this month when a new truck gets ordered… dummy’s prams ete !
Another thought - it may look expensive now but how soon will it be before the training companies start to hike the prices up ? supply and demand is bound to kick in the closer we approach it.
Finally would I still have to do the DCPC? or would i get the hours because I I teach it?
Hi,
If I was in your position then I would not be thinking of becoming a trainer unless I knew that I could do the job well and save money.
With the amount of drivers that you have I would be putting the dcpc training out to tender with all the trainers I could find. Lots of people have set up for dcpc training and the demand has not (yet) materialised, you may be surprised at how far a trainer will travel and their rates if they are short of work.
Presenting a training course is not for everyone and I would not want the bother or responsibility of it.
Jenson Button:
We thought about this - sending one at a time… but with 40 drivers and most of them with ZERO hours… a couple booked on ADR courses… when you look at it we dont have that many weekends left… each driver needs 5 training lots between now and Sept 2014… I know it sounds daft but there are only about 120 ish weekends left…before its due to be enforced, so we are already behind schedule with our current drivers, and you always have a bit of a merry go round at somepoint - ours is due later this month when a new truck gets ordered… dummy’s prams ete !
Another thought - it may look expensive now but how soon will it be before the training companies start to hike the prices up ? supply and demand is bound to kick in the closer we approach it.
Finally would I still have to do the DCPC? or would i get the hours because I I teach it?
How many companies are in exactly this position. It is estimated that over one third of drivers still have no progress in the periodic learning courses. The clock is ticking and you will have had FIVE YEARS up to September 2014. The DCPC isn’t going away and is a small price to pay against the cost of penalties plus loss of drivers who have lost their entitlement to drive. Don’t forget that after September 2014 you have to start over again so if a long term plan had been in place at the outset it wouldn’t be hurting so much now! A cost effective method is do as you state - drivers doing ADR or anything else that is useful to your operation so that they can score a double whammy!
The cost of setting up as a JAUPT recognised centre and all the registration costs, etc must exceed the cost of using an existing DCPC Training organisation. Also you can’t just use an old portacabin that is used as a ‘mess’ room - the facilities have to be up to a reasonable standard to be accepted. You also need computer, whiteboad, projector, etc as well as something to present that will fill 35 hours and be acceptable content to be approved by JAUPT/DSA.
Of course the costs of training are increasing - its like booking a flight on EasyJet - the nearer the time the more expensive. Supply and demand, etc,etc!
Jenson Button:
So bringing it back to my intial question:- What would you ask to test a trainers knowldge?
Surely the questions you are likely to be asked will depend on the subject matter, for instance if you were doing a course of drivers hours you’re not likely to be asked questions about load security, and if you are you just tell them to stick to the subject.
I don’t see how anyone can test your knowledge until we know what the course subject is going to be 
Jenson Button:
Finally would I still have to do the DCPC? or would i get the hours because I I teach it?
Sorry mate, 'fraid not.
I’ve taught approx 1,500 DCPC hours, but I still haven’t got one single hour credited to my own DCPC hours account.
I’ve also not bothered becoming a provider, simply because of the time, expense and hassle of getting started.
dieseldave:
Jenson Button:
Finally would I still have to do the DCPC? or would i get the hours because I I teach it?
Sorry mate, 'fraid not.
I’ve taught approx 1,500 DCPC hours, but I still haven’t got one single hour credited to my own DCPC hours account.
Seems daft, surely if you have been teaching it, you have been in the classroom for 7 hours while someone was teaching it… there’s nothing stopping a barber from cutting his own hair.