truckman020:
Suedehead:
Surely working for 15 hours day is illegalif I remember correctly[and I could be wrong]but I think you are allowed to work 15 hrs 3 days a week on spreadover,personally employers can stuff hrs like that,max for me is 12
Technically can do 15 hr spread everyday
A lot of container drivers do
Using the split rest and 3 hours break during the day
xichrisxi:
As said I’d rather do 15hrs that sleep in a tiny can all night,having to [zb] in a carrier bag and ■■■■ in a old bottle,you would get better sleeping facilities in prison that you do nighting out in a tin can.
No mate, just because it’s known as ‘tramping’ it does not literally mean that you live and behave like a ■■■■■■ tramp 
(Well most of us anyway)
You always get the old ‘■■■■ ing in a carrier bag’ chestnut from somebody who actually knows ■■■■ all about tramping, and if they have sampled it and done it that way, they have been doing it wrong, so should not judge others by their own methods.
As for the 15 hr thing, I tend to agree with the o/p.
I only do them when it suits me.
If others want to do them let them crack on, but I think a 13hr working day is enough for anybody in this day and age.
keepthefaith:
i’m alright jack comes to mind don’t bother me because i’m ok, the mugs doing 15 hour days wouldn’t be doing them if they where banned
that’s the point of the post
Yes but those of us who aren’t mugs occasionally need a 15 to get home, that’s my point.
Are you a bit thick? Is there cabbage in your blood?
Nobody is forcing you to do 15 hour days. If they are, call the police.
robroy:
As for the 15 hr thing, I tend to agree with the o/p.
I only do them when it suits me.
Have you even read the original post?
It’s everyone else you agree with, not the OP.
If I couldn’t of done a 15 Thursday after loading
I would of been 3 hrs short of the port Friday
Would needed 11 off Friday night then missed sat morning boat
Which in effect I would not be sat at home tonight
If you don’t want them have the balls and find a better job that suits you
robroy:
xichrisxi:
As said I’d rather do 15hrs that sleep in a tiny can all night,having to [zb] in a carrier bag and ■■■■ in a old bottle,you would get better sleeping facilities in prison that you do nighting out in a tin can.No mate, just because it’s known as ‘tramping’ it does not literally mean that you live and behave like a [zb] tramp
(Well most of us anyway)
You always get the old ‘[zb] ing in a carrier bag’ chestnut from somebody who actually knows [zb] all about tramping,As for the 15 hr thing, I tend to agree with the o/p.
I only do them when it suits me.
If others want to do them let them crack on, but I think a 13hr working day is enough for anybody in this day and age.
So you want to ban them ■■? But do them when it suits you
taz1972:
robroy:
As for the 15 hr thing, I tend to agree with the o/p. I only do them when it suits me.So you want to ban them ■■? But do them when it suits you
Exactly. What you on about robroy?
Bring back the 16 hour day and 8 off
Only 2007 when that stopped 
And only since 07 and digis and 28 days of cards anyone even been bothered
About 90 hours and having 45 hour breaks
Contraflow:
taz1972:
robroy:
As for the 15 hr thing, I tend to agree with the o/p. I only do them when it suits me.So you want to ban them ■■? But do them when it suits you
Exactly. What you on about robroy?
Load of sh*t that’s what as said no body has a gun to your head to work in transport lots of shops need staff this time of year sure you will get 4 hours per day
I think if I couldn’t tramp I’d get out of the game. Spent far too long chasing my own arse trying to get back to base in day cabs with not even a clean shirt or underwear.
15 hours can seem like a long time, but if you’re tramping, you’re a foot away from your bed, no drive home, no idle chit chat with anyone etc etc etc. I can imagine it would be different if I was handballing, but I tend to be either driving, occasional trailer change, doesn’t take long, the off faff with my back doors or curtains (ooooo errrrrr missus) other than that, there are many food, ■■■ and coffee breaks. If I want a 15 I can do one, and if I don’t, I won’t.
Can’t see myself wanting to park up the motor to take 14 hours off, particularly as if it’s parked, I stop earning
I did 14 3/4 hours yesterday on my 6th shift. If I didn’t have a 15 available then I would have had to weekend out in a truck less than an hour from the depot. No thanks!
I dont do 9 off if I am going home though (which is usually the case). 9 off means 9 hours at home in my book
robroy:
xichrisxi:
As said I’d rather do 15hrs that sleep in a tiny can all night,having to [zb] in a carrier bag and ■■■■ in a old bottle,you would get better sleeping facilities in prison that you do nighting out in a tin can.No mate, just because it’s known as ‘tramping’ it does not literally mean that you live and behave like a [zb] tramp
(Well most of us anyway)
You always get the old ‘[zb] ing in a carrier bag’ chestnut from somebody who actually knows [zb] all about tramping,As for the 15 hr thing, I tend to agree with the o/p.
I only do them when it suits me.
If others want to do them let them crack on, but I think a 13hr working day is enough for anybody in this day and age.
While it’s obviously easier to get more sleep out out of a 9 hour daily rest period if someone isn’t commuting and staying with the wagon out of that time it is still borderline.Because no one parks up and goes to sleep and wakes up and drives off.
However the idea of compromising sleep to get home when commuting time is added to that,because they supposedly don’t want to sleep in a wagon,is bs.While I actually argued with a zb of a guvnor on general haulage work who wanted me to do exactly that.Not only to try to get more work done but because he didn’t want to pay night out money which I told him to shove anyway.12 hours on 12 off is enough for anyone and if anyone doesn’t want to do nights out then it’s them who are in the wrong job.
On that note I’d change the hours regs to 12 hours minimum daily rest no ifs no buts but get rid of the daily driving time limit on the basis that it’s lack of sleep that makes tired drivers not driving. 
Ok, the bit I agree with is the 15 hr isn’t acceptable, in real terms I reckon he is right.
As I said I only do it if it suits me, I aint pressurised to do it.
If it suits Contraflow and his mates, again as I said …crack on, but it aint for me on a regular basis.
If that aint clear to you lot it is to me 
Edit:
Just to do some serious back peddaling here 
, (especially as I have upset the monkey)
I agree with the o/p’s points, but maybe draw the line on the thread title of actually Banning them … No need as they are not compulsory
If only I had put that first, ah well at least I didn’t make a ■■■ of myself. 
…yeh ok I know I did 
Think I got out of that ok.
taz1972:
Contraflow:
taz1972:
robroy:
As for the 15 hr thing, I tend to agree with the o/p. I only do them when it suits me.So you want to ban them ■■? But do them when it suits you
Exactly. What you on about robroy?
Load of sh*t that’s what as said no body has a gun to your head to work in transport lots of shops need staff this time of year sure you will get 4 hours per day
Don’t get your nappy in a knot mate. I never said a gun was held to my head, …the clue was in the bit that said ‘I only do a 15 when it suits me’
I’ve maybe done more 15s in the past than you mate, it’s just that after too many years in the game you see things from a different perspective, and if I want to do 4 hrs in a shop I’ll get back to YOU for some more valuable advice. So Thanks.
The things I’d change are all to do with flexibility. If I drive 9.01 I lose a 10 hr drive. What a load of guff, why not allow me a 9.59 instead?
And I fully understand the regs about 24hr spread etc, but I work 5 out of 7, don’t want to do anymore. If I don’t have a 15 left on my last day, I have to park up for 11 and run in on day 6. I’m about to have roughly 60 hours off if I can get back on day 5. All seems a bit daft.
I wouldn’t like to see them banned, typically my average days are 10-12hrs but if i do an overnighter i run to 15hrs usually do at least one overnighter a week. As well its lets you get home as Scanny says, how many accidents do you get on a Friday afternoon become common place on the A9. More than a few times gotten back to the depot just under 15hrs because of accidents and delays on a Friday, much rather done 15hr shift than done a 13hr and be stuck in the truck on a Friday night.
Before on agency used to do three 15hrs shifts a week but that was it, done a fair bit more on a double manned shift, much preferred getting getting 45hrs over three days than doing 5 x 8hr shifts.
Pick the job that suits you.
Kenny1975:
I wouldn’t like to see them banned, typically my average days are 10-12hrs but if i do an overnighter i run to 15hrs usually do at least one overnighter a week. As well its lets you get home as Scanny says, how many accidents do you get on a Friday afternoon become common place on the A9. More than a few times gotten back to the depot just under 15hrs because of accidents and delays on a Friday, much rather done 15hr shift than done a 13hr and be stuck in the truck on a Friday night.
Assuming the hours regs were changed to minimum 12 hours daily rest that would still allow a late finish on a Friday because the 12 hours then obviously becomes part of the weekly rest quota.
F-reds:
As for your total number of hours spent at work for a day, or a week really is only a tiny factor in how tired you are. The things you do doing that shift are far more important factors in your overall tiredness.
If you’re doing a 15hr shift, spending 15 minutes at each end travelling to/from work that leaves 8.5hrs to have a meal, have a shower, get 8hrs sleep, get up, have a wash, have breakfast and prepare your packed lunch before setting off to work again.
The total time spent at work absolutely has a bearing on your overall tiredness.
scanny77:
. If I didn’t have a 15 available then I would have had to weekend out in a truck less than an hour from the depot.
Yeh but you wouldn’t would you
Would you? 
Conor:
F-reds:
As for your total number of hours spent at work for a day, or a week really is only a tiny factor in how tired you are. The things you do doing that shift are far more important factors in your overall tiredness.If you’re doing a 15hr shift, spending 15 minutes at each end travelling to/from work that leaves 8.5hrs to have a meal, have a shower, get 8hrs sleep, get up, have a wash, have breakfast and prepare your packed lunch before setting off to work again.
The total time spent at work absolutely has a bearing on your overall tiredness.
A 15 minute commute to/from base isn’t realistic in most cases.It’s the amount of proper unbroken sleep between shifts that is the main factor regards ‘tiredness’.
