Bad habits

[rog]

Orys, you are suggesting starting a turn from the 10 to 2 position - I never do that - I put both hands at the top of the wheel just prior to starting the turn so it gives full use of the wheel.
My hands NEVER leave the steering wheel when turning - one is always gripping whilst the other is on the wheel, sliding to meet the other.

The other method I use quite frequently is the ‘racing driver’ steering technique when negotiating chicanes (lots of them near me) - keeping both hands at quarter to three, do a quarter turn right then a quarter turn left.

Last but not least: from my observation made during 10 years of hitchhiking: there is a strict corelation: most good drivers use “rally” technique, most bad drivers still drives as they were taught at driving lessons…

During my expert observations over the past 10+ years I can say that I have observed exactly the opposite.
This is why advanced drivers use the pull/push method more than any other - it is SAFER but not always exclusive - other methods can be taught such as rotational steering for pursuit driving but this requires the driver to go on a very special driving course.

The use of cross handed steering is used by many drivers because they are too lazy to use a better SAFER method but as I have found out over the past 10 years, all find easy to revert to when shown how to do it properly.
The usual comment I get after it has been instilled into their everyday driving is “I feel much more in control and safer”

If you were nearer to me then I would gladly give you a demo of this but as I am not, may I suggest asking your nearest advanced driving group for such a demo

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[orys]

ROG:
Orys, you are suggesting starting a turn from the 10 to 2 position - I never do that - I put both hands at the top of the wheel just prior to starting the turn so it gives full use of the wheel.
My hands NEVER leave the steering wheel when turning - one is always gripping whilst the other is on the wheel, sliding to meet the other.

So:

1. You have to move your hands even before you start turning (from safe 10 to 2 or 15 to 3 position to position 2 to 12 ) and then you admited my point: you steering with one hand at the time when the other hand is sliding only.

The other method I use quite frequently is the ‘racing driver’ steering technique when negotiating chicanes (lots of them near me) - keeping both hands at quarter to three, do a quarter turn right then a quarter turn left.

Yeah, that’s obvious. It’s a small turn only.

During my expert observations over the past 10+ years I can say that I have observed exactly the opposite.

Cool. Did you even thought that they are doing that becouse they are on the driving course and they know what you expect from them?

This is why advanced drivers use the pull/push method more than any other - it is SAFER

This is a question you struggling to give me answer to:

WHY THIS IS SAFER?

The use of cross handed steering is used by many drivers because they are too lazy to use a better SAFER method

…or they don’t agree that it’s safer, as from their own experience it comes that they have much better control over vehicle when using normal steering technique…

but as I have found out over the past 10 years, all find easy to revert to when shown how to do it properly.

It is also very easy to revert to making three circles arround every lamppost when walking on the pavement, but what it’s for?

The usual comment I get after it has been instilled into their everyday driving is “I feel much more in control and safer”

I will tell that to my instructor as well to make him happy and allow him to move to something really important (I have many bad habits I agree they are bad).

If you were nearer to me then I would gladly give you a demo of this but as I am not, may I suggest asking your nearest advanced driving group for such a demo

When I was taught to become a teacher, our lecturers used to say: “if you can’t explain it to your students either you don’t understand it yourself or you don’t believe in that…”

I seen the movie (quoted above, driving school of Marian Bublewicz) and his explanation (about speed of reaction and full control over vehicle all the time) is good for me. I know, he’s the rally driver, but driving techniques are still the same - you still have to turn your steering wheel to change direction. Only difference is that in rallys you do it to extreme level, but if something is good in extremal situation, is good in normal live as well.

[rog]

orys:
Did you even thought that they are doing that becouse they are on the driving course and they know what you expect from them?

No - they don’t do this to ‘pass a test’ - this is as a ‘skill for life’ - they drive this way as their normal driving - the advanced is done totally different to DSA.
Generally the DSA test is done on a time scale - as little as possible - the advanced is done at the drivers own pace so that the techniques become thier ‘normal’ driving.

We are able to talk to family members who are passengers in their vehicle to get an independant view as to how their driving was and how it is now.

orys:
steering with one hand at the time when the other hand is sliding only.

Yes, but the other hand can re-grip in a fraction of a second to enable the wheel to be turned into the other direction if needs be or used to steer more into the direction of travel in an emergency by using the method of rotational steering (X-ing hands).
If fully X-ing hands already and needing to steer more into the direction of travel then it takes so long to take one hand off the wheel to get it over to the other side of the wheel to then steer more that it’s then too late !!!

This is why the Pull/Push method is SAFER as it gives more ‘options’ if done correctly.

Are you going to be in the Leicester area with some time to spare at any time? - if yes, then I will arrange to give you a demo drive

[rog]

Last saturday I observed a 90 min advanced drive by a LGV driver in a full length artic.
I took him around every possible tight turn and tight twisty country lane I could find. We finished off with a combination reverse consisting of bilnd side and good side.
All done with pull/push steering without compromising progress.

Why would that driver want to, or need to, use a less safe steering method
I did say less safe and not unsafe

This is his normal way of steering - how do I know? - because on a 90 min drive there is always a dip in concentration where a drivers’ usual method of driving tends to show, even if for a few minutes - this is why the AD test is that length of time, so that it gives the opportunity for the examiner to notice ‘what is normal’ for the driver and not what they think should be done for a test.

[aranger]

ROG:
Last saturday I observed a 90 min advanced drive by a LGV driver in a full length artic.
I took him around every possible tight turn and tight twisty country lane I could find. We finished off with a combination reverse consisting of bilnd side and good side.
All done with pull/push steering without compromising progress.

Why would that driver want to, or need to, use a less safe steering method
I did say less safe and not unsafe

This is his normal way of steering - how do I know? - because on a 90 min drive there is always a dip in concentration where a drivers’ usual method of driving tends to show, even if for a few minutes - this is why the AD test is that length of time, so that it gives the opportunity for the examiner to notice ‘what is normal’ for the driver and not what they think should be done for a test.

Without compromising what progress.

Did you have 13 drops and 5 collections or was it a drive around sightseeing.

Boss “where are you”

Me “having a go at this pull push steering thats in the highway code, I should be back for midnight”