dinosteveus1:
Did I? Errrrr best you read my posts again.
Yes, you did, and I quote :
dinosteveus1:
It’s all about RESPECT, something today’s generation know FA about.
dinosteveus1:
Not every company [zb] on you, take that chip of your shoulder.
No chip here. It’s mugs like you that are happy to bend over and let your gaffer’s shaft you up the arse.
The whole quote FFS:- If you work for a ‘decent’ Company who don’t want you to work illegally then why wouldn’t you be loyal to them? If a Company looks after you, you are going to look after them. It’s nothing to do with BS and ‘old breeds’. It’s all about RESPECT, something today’s generation know FA about. If a Company looks after you, you are going to look after them. RESPECT them as they must RESPECT you.
But they don’t. Which part of this are you not understanding and how many MORE examples do you want as proof of this? Please, stop playing this same ficticious record and take a look around you in the real world.
So they tell me to falsify my legal record of work and get on with it and I am to respect this by staying with the vehicle? Ha ha HA at some of the crap you lot talk on here I hope you get caught bending and braking rules and pay the ultimate consequence and there’ll be few less idiots on the road! It’s no wonder the vosa inspectors are so harsh on us they’ve only got to read this thread to prove they are more then needed to try and clean our roads up of untrustworthy drivers ■■■■ me its 2010 not 1965
I had two days stuck in the Iveco dealers at High Wycombe on a previous job… viscous fan bearing gone. my tacho was out for the entirety of the 2 days I was there, so on the saturday I went out and completed my run, and could quite of happily carried on working until the following wednesday. Why? because I had, in the eyes of VOSA and the law, taken my statuary weekly rest period.
I agree with Spanky, and not just because he’s my boss, but if the OP worked for me then he would be looking for a new job and be lucky to get paid. YOU dont walk out halfway through a job. The original OP wasnt breaking any law, and atleast 99% of drivers can sleep anywhere… try doing container work and sleeping whilst being loaded or unloaded and the cab is constantly moving. Though from some of the comments by Rog and the OP I take it also that neither of them have done a night out in a cab on fridge work?
OllieNotts:
So they tell me to falsify my legal record of work and get on with it and I am to respect this by staying with the vehicle? Ha ha HA at some of the crap you lot talk on here I hope you get caught bending and braking rules and pay the ultimate consequence and there’ll be few less idiots on the road! It’s no wonder the vosa inspectors are so harsh on us they’ve only got to read this thread to prove they are more then needed to try and clean our roads up of untrustworthy drivers [zb] me its 2010 not 1965
there is no rule to say you have to sleep during your daily rest though, so since YOU pulled your card at 1pm then you wait till10 and drive home, how flipping hard is that to understand? im not talking about doing another 15 hour shift im talking about doing the right thing, they never told you to drive without taking 9 hours off and looks legal according to vosa., get the motor and yourself back and if you dont want to work there anymore then tell the agency instead of coming on here and complaining.
mind you coulda left your card in and then you couldnt have driven home. its also not about being bent over and arse raped by the boss/company, yes ive worked for companies who treated you like {zb} but ive weeded them out and told the agency im not doing it and these days im only where i get treated fine with them. the fact being ive never walked out on a job and left the truck no matter how bad they are, its not the said thing to do
just like yourself i dont need to work 5 days a week, and regularly work 3/4 days. i dont need money to pay bills cause its next to nothing these days.if i work 5 days its usually cause im bored and want something to do
OllieNotts:
So they tell me to falsify my legal record of work and get on with it and I am to respect this by staying with the vehicle? Ha ha HA at some of the crap you lot talk on here I hope you get caught bending and braking rules and pay the ultimate consequence and there’ll be few less idiots on the road! It’s no wonder the vosa inspectors are so harsh on us they’ve only got to read this thread to prove they are more then needed to try and clean our roads up of untrustworthy drivers [zb] me its 2010 not 1965
Nobody tells you to bend the rules or break to law, but what you could have done was sort it inside the law.
A good tip, when next time your baby keep you awake, don’t even bother to go into work, because you would break the law that you didn’t have enough sleep.
You posted it here because you are frustrated with yourself that you cannot even finish a job properly, isn’t it
En yes I think the VOSA is doing good thing but I don’t climb up their arses and lick it clean there!
It’s a shame that we are going from a country with a hard working moral, to a country where we should first it cannot be done before we start.
Some of the drivers want a Risc Assesment and method statememt if they need to change a bulb, because “it’s not my job boss” mentality.
You wonder why so many companies take foreign drivers on… I don’t.
Transport is not for the faint hearted, and if you want a job where you never will be put in situations out of the normal, start driving a milk float around the town, and you know that you always can be home in a minute.
The holier than the Pope brigade on here, don’t have a problem after a week hard work and a day of driving to drive another 5 hours in their car to go on holiday etc. , I agree it’s not illigal but you didn’t have enough sleep to be a proper safe driver as you all state!
OllieNotts:
So they tell me to falsify my legal record of work and get on with it and I am to respect this by staying with the vehicle? Ha ha HA at some of the crap you lot talk on here I hope you get caught bending and braking rules and pay the ultimate consequence and there’ll be few less idiots on the road! It’s no wonder the vosa inspectors are so harsh on us they’ve only got to read this thread to prove they are more then needed to try and clean our roads up of untrustworthy drivers [zb] me its 2010 not 1965
Hang on, if TNUK Members don’t say what you want or agree with you, they are talking ‘crap’?
I’ll put this in simple terms cos you don’t seem to understand what I’m saying:-
If your Company look after you and respect you, then you should look after your company and respect them.
If your company ■■■■ on you all the time and treat you like a ■■■■■ then you return the ‘favour’ and you would NOT respect them.
If you think that BOHICA is fine, then you are totally wrong and you need to find another job, a job where you are ‘looked after’ and ‘respected’ as a driver.
OllieNotts:
So they tell me to falsify my legal record of work and get on with it and I am to respect this by staying with the vehicle? Ha ha HA at some of the crap you lot talk on here I hope you get caught bending and braking rules and pay the ultimate consequence and there’ll be few less idiots on the road! It’s no wonder the vosa inspectors are so harsh on us they’ve only got to read this thread to prove they are more then needed to try and clean our roads up of untrustworthy drivers [zb] me its 2010 not 1965
there is no rule to say you have to sleep during your daily rest though, so since YOU pulled your card at 1pm then you wait till10 and drive home, how flipping hard is that to understand? im not talking about doing another 15 hour shift im talking about doing the right thing, they never told you to drive without taking 9 hours off and looks legal according to vosa., get the motor and yourself back and if you dont want to work there anymore then tell the agency instead of coming on here and complaining.
mind you coulda left your card in and then you couldnt have driven home.
Ok, there is no rule to say I need sleep but there is that says I must REST and to rest properly before driving when I am off I need sleep. You will not let your brain comprehend this fact to that I am now at work and available for 15 hours no matter what I argue if I did as some are claiming on here I should of done then they could easily of planned and expected me to do a 15 hour day after I started again. Just because they say at 6pm I will only have to swap trailers is neither here nor there with me they had over 8 hours to pull me out and swap me with a driver that had more time to sit and wait and chose not to. And I dont think walking out 10 hours after I broke down is half way through the job I only had an hour and a half left of the full day
I think it is very telling that not one person can argue their case when I kill their family at the wheel. The same posters here would be saying what a ■■■■ I am for not taking my rest properly and if I had they wouldnt of lost their loved one
OllieNotts:
So they tell me to falsify my legal record of work and get on with it and I am to respect this by staying with the vehicle? Ha ha HA at some of the crap you lot talk on here I hope you get caught bending and braking rules and pay the ultimate consequence and there’ll be few less idiots on the road! It’s no wonder the vosa inspectors are so harsh on us they’ve only got to read this thread to prove they are more then needed to try and clean our roads up of untrustworthy drivers [zb] me its 2010 not 1965
Hang on, if TNUK Members don’t say what you want or agree with you, they are talking ‘crap’?
No I never said that and if you read my post properly you would of seen tha., I knew I would get abuse off certain members on here and funnily enough I am not that shocked about the attitude of some. I have shown a mate the link to this thread who cant believe the attitude of so many “professional” drivers who will do owt to get a job done. Card out for 9 hours is legal if/when vosa look at it yes but the conditions that those 9 hours I was off were not suitable to get rest and be ready for another 15 hours(making it illegal) should the company decide I am liable to being took the ■■■■ out of again.
Good luck to all you hard men who will stay with lorries for 2 days and drive with no sleep you are the perfect reason we get treated like ■■■■ in this job and the longer you carry on the longer may you get treated like this. I have never worked for a firm who would leave you high and dry with a depot a few miles down the road and if you choose to and are happy to work for such crap conditions then more fool you. It not an acceptable condition of work for me, had I of ran out of hours on the job I would of happily pulled over had dinner and gone to sleep. Life is too short and I wont waste it like so many of you will do I intend to enjoy my life while you lot keep getting taken for ■■■■■
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you could have went to b&b/hotel/park bench and had your 9 hours off,came back an finished the job you were paid to do
That’s what I would have done - do the 15 hour shift, book into somewhere or if the unit was available use that, have the daily rest, as I would then be ready to sleep, then start again the next day
Best of all worlds - get pay for a full 15 shift, a night out and then for the shift the next day.
It would be a case of me telling them what is going to happen rather than them telling me to do something that I regard as being unsafe (see below) and/or illegal
As regards who needs what sleep and when… we all have different needs on that issue so it’s up to each driver to know their own SAFE limits and stick to them
Have read this thread with interest, and the jist I get is, technically they weren’t asking you to do something illegal, maybe not good practice but in the eyes of the law not illegal. The sticking point is access to a bunk, but the only reference I can find is about splitting the rest when the truck needs to be moved on/off a ferry during a daily rest period.
Now just speculating as to the various companies involved here (maybe way off ), I can understand ths attitude from the truck owner having had some dealings with them in the past, but I have a habit of saying what I think and do seam to get respect from them on the odd days I go back. As for the garage, if its the main agent, I’ve had similar dealings in past and they were very obliging. They lent me a van to get some food and to go over to their sales site to ‘borrow’ a truck to sleep in for the night, then get the van back when my time off was up.
FWIW, I would have pulled my card, informed them I will play their game of having 9 off, but the only place I will be going after the 9 off is back to the yard and clocking off. If your attitude to the situation is as you have put it can I suggest you leave your card in in the future, yoou said you would have the truck back by 8, 15hrs shift, 9hrs off when you wanted it, then back on shift.
The reason you have had some of the comments from drivers not on your side is they aren’t in the lucky situation you are of not having to work full weeks, so are more open to getting the job done and guarenteeing the work. I’m n a similar situation to yourself where I only drive Dec, Jan and poss feb whilst my other work is dead.
OllieNotts:
So they tell me to falsify my legal record of work and get on with it and I am to respect this by staying with the vehicle? Ha ha HA at some of the crap you lot talk on here I hope you get caught bending and braking rules and pay the ultimate consequence and there’ll be few less idiots on the road! It’s no wonder the vosa inspectors are so harsh on us they’ve only got to read this thread to prove they are more then needed to try and clean our roads up of untrustworthy drivers [zb] me its 2010 not 1965
Hang on, if TNUK Members don’t say what you want or agree with you, they are talking ‘crap’?
No I never said that and if you read my post properly you would of seen tha., I knew I would get abuse off certain members on here and funnily enough I am not that shocked about the attitude of some. I have shown a mate the link to this thread who cant believe the attitude of so many “professional” drivers who will do owt to get a job done. Card out for 9 hours is legal if/when vosa look at it yes but the conditions that those 9 hours I was off were not suitable to get rest and be ready for another 15 hours(making it illegal) should the company decide I am liable to being took the ■■■■ out of again.
Good luck to all you hard men who will stay with lorries for 2 days and drive with no sleep you are the perfect reason we get treated like [zb] in this job and the longer you carry on the longer may you get treated like this. I have never worked for a firm who would leave you high and dry with a depot a few miles down the road and if you choose to and are happy to work for such crap conditions then more fool you. It not an acceptable condition of work for me, had I of ran out of hours on the job I would of happily pulled over had dinner and gone to sleep. Life is too short and I wont waste it like so many of you will do I intend to enjoy my life while you lot keep getting taken for [zb]
you talk such crap
you just gonna spit your dummy out everytime something doesnt go your way,if their own depot was only a few miles away why the hell did you not just walk down to it? or does somebody have to pick you up because your that important.
you put your card in after 9 hours, you make it clear to them that you are only running the motor back to the yard then going home and if they have a problem then you dont go back again.
It was illegal to walk down the m6 last time I checked
And I didn’t spit my dummy out I gave em plenty of notice before I walked and told them getting a train home was an option before truck was delayed again.
You claim to sleep for 2 hours between shifts and tell me I talk crap LOL
OllieNotts:
You claim to sleep for 2 hours between shifts and tell me I talk crap LOL
Some people can do just that and be safe - Ex PM Maggie Thatcher hardly ever slept but just cat-napped when she felt a little tired and it’s not as if she has a concentration free job…
I trained on chap for his class C and he drove a van from 10pm to 7am then trained from 8.30am to 5pm - he then went home for a wash & something to eat - got about 3 hours of kip then started again
Never once in the whole of his C training did I have to stop him driving and believe me when I say that I was looking to do just that at a moments notice
I would have been like a zombie and crashed on day 1 !!
OllieNotts:
It was illegal to walk down the m6 last time I checked
And I didn’t spit my dummy out I gave em plenty of notice before I walked and told them getting a train home was an option before truck was delayed again.
You claim to sleep for 2 hours between shifts and tell me I talk crap LOL
well get in a taxi and bill them for it ffs
and yes so what if i only had 2 hours sleep, i still had my legally required 9 hours between shifts
but as you dont seem to have read i dont sleep much, never have done.
you seem to have balls to say no im going home so why couldnt u just kip in the truck once it was fixed and after you told them that your only driving the truck back to the yard and not doing another days work.
wake up about 2pm, go to work for 10 pm finish that job at 3am, get home for 4am, sleep till 10am, start shift at 12 noon then finish 1am the following day
now i did that perfectly fine…what would you say to that?
OllieNotts:
It was illegal to walk down the m6 last time I checked
And I didn’t spit my dummy out I gave em plenty of notice before I walked and told them getting a train home was an option before truck was delayed again.
You claim to sleep for 2 hours between shifts and tell me I talk crap LOL
well get in a taxi and bill them for it ffs
and yes so what if i only had 2 hours sleep, i still had my legally required 9 hours between shifts
but as you dont seem to have read i dont sleep much, never have done.
you seem to have balls to say no im going home so why couldnt u just kip in the truck once it was fixed and after you told them that your only driving the truck back to the yard and not doing another days work.
They wanted lorry back on the road, if I wasnt gonna come back to work they were sending someone to fetch it and me and then expected me to get a lift back unpaid. Maybe I should of let em but I am a militant stuborn sod at times and the way they spoke to me, dealt with it and gave no ■■■■ what so ever I decided to return the favour and will do it again when someone speaks to or treats me like that
), I can understand ths attitude from the truck owner having had some dealings with them in the past, but I have a habit of saying what I think and do seam to get respect from them on the odd days I go back. As for the garage, if its the main agent, I’ve had similar dealings in past and they were very obliging. They lent me a van to get some food and to go over to their sales site to ‘borrow’ a truck to sleep in for the night, then get the van back when my time off was up.
