gogzy:
if you had read properly i dont sleep very much,i dont need to i work better with less sleep than sleeping for 8/9/10 hours then going to work
Yeah but to be fair, you’re only young and messing about on small vans and a few artics and stuff, just wait till you do it day in day out for years, see how you go on then !!!
i aint been out in a van for about 6 months, been out in an artic since then until this week…mainly cause i got ■■■■■ with the agency, also when i left school 8 years ago nearly i alwasy went to work with hardly any sleep.
gogzy:
if you had read properly i dont sleep very much,i dont need to i work better with less sleep than sleeping for 8/9/10 hours then going to work
Yeah but to be fair, you’re only young and messing about on small vans and a few artics and stuff, just wait till you do it day in day out for years, see how you go on then !!!
i aint been out in a van for about 6 months, been out in an artic since then until this week…mainly cause i got ■■■■■ with the agency, also when i left school 8 years ago nearly i alwasy went to work with hardly any sleep.
ROG:
I thought there are laws that say (directly or indirectly) a driver must not drive if too tired to drive safely and I do believe that trumps anything else
I don’t think that anyone will be able to come up with a reasonable argument with the above but I bet some will try…
You would have to prove they were too tired and unless they actually fall asleep and have an accident that would be impossible.
The last 6 Saturdays I have worked from around 05:00 to sometime between 13:00 - 14:00 then parked for 9 hours but didn’t bother sleeping on any of those days. i met friends and passed the time with them and on most of the days it was a little too warm to sleep anyway. Started again 22:00 - 23:00 and carried on, caught the train and returned to the yard and finished any time between 03:00 and 05:00 Sunday morning and then went home, 20 minutes to get home, then had a couple of hours sleep about 08:00. I did not feel tired at all on the drive home, had no accidents or near misses and got home safely each time.
So I had no sleep during my 9 hours daily rest and you would argue I was too tired to drive but I wasn’t, everybody is different and because some people need 8 hours at least a night doesn’t mean everybody does, I usually have about 4 hours or so and don’t think I could actually sleep for 8 hours, can’t remember the last time I did but it would have been many years ago.
Everybody has to make the call based on the knowledge of their own sleep requirements, just as the OP did, and no one else can really say if that is right or wrong. The OP made the call based on his circumstances, I would have done it differently but I wouldn’t expect him to do it that way just because I could as we each have different sleep requirements and no one can really tell him he was wrong in his decision, it was the right choice for him and that is all that matters. Nobody died and I’m sure the work still got done eventually.
I’ve been parked since 18:00, been to the chip shop to watch the football, it’s better than the pub here and they sell beer, and will be starting at 03:00 so will get up about 02:30 and will then be doing a 10 hour driving day between Adinkerke and Berlin. Will I be tired tomorrow? No, I won’t. Would someone else be tired doing that? Yes, they might well be but only one person knows what is and isn’t enough sleep before working and that is the person doing the job and not people on an internet forum.
ROG:
I’ve mentioned this twice on this thread but no-one has commented on it…
How many on here could get a full nights kip then be up for a few hours and then get another full kip in readiness for a full or part time shift
Let me name you some scenarios where it is often necessary Rog, forget Ollie for a while and see what you would make of these jobs.
You got off a Dover Zeebrugge nightime ferry and drove for 3 hours to get to a border at 1300 which didn’t open till 10pm. You arrived at the next border and spent 24 hours stop start to get through or you park for 9 hours each day and take 3 days to get through.
How about the heavy haulage men in Europe? You can only drive in daylight in France and only at night in Belgium. In your perfect world of the living room, would you want a full day off in between?
Roadside recovery operators sleep at the side of a busy noisy road and have to get up when the mobile rings and go to recover a vehicle. They lay under a truck to remove the propshaft, tow it to the compound and go back to bed.
There are many jobs that require you to take rest when you can. The normal shift on a ship is 4 on 4 off with a dog watch, like a shift worker the dog watch alter your duty times every day.
I have been in a European truck dealer and they had a drivers room with a bunk, but they are very very rare.
gogzy:
if you had read properly i dont sleep very much,i dont need to i work better with less sleep than sleeping for 8/9/10 hours then going to work
Yeah but to be fair, you’re only young and messing about on small vans and a few artics and stuff, just wait till you do it day in day out for years, see how you go on then !!!
i aint been out in a van for about 6 months, been out in an artic since then until this week…mainly cause i got ■■■■■ with the agency, also when i left school 8 years ago nearly i alwasy went to work with hardly any sleep.
So because you do means I should? And for the record I dont believe you can have 2 hours kip over 2 full days at work if you were driving a vehicle for most of your shift it just isnt believable
An interesting insight this thread. Question is…Break the law or not? And due to the fact the driver does not have access to a bunk or couch for his rest he’d be breaking the law by trying to claim a nine hours wait as a rest. But there’s plenty here who would go with the flow. And there’s plenty out there who know this too and thats why they pull us up ,check us ,ask questions and give out fixed penalties !!!
What is any guarantee if you sleep enough hours that you don’t fall asleep at the wheel?
There is much more involved in that, you can have a perfectly night rest and an hour down the road you are knackered and could do with some hours kip.
Next day you work the clock round and you are still fit, the older drivers in here remember the times that the Gaffer would say if you tired sleep with your arm on the steering wheel, when you wake up from the pain, you had enough sleep! Was not perfect but it showed that the human body can do a little more than 10 hours a day.
The gritters last winter don’t use a tacho for a VERY good reason.
But everybody has there own priorities and standards.
Leaving the truck and walk away shows a little where you are made off, life will bring you many a times things where you just have to go on with and cannot walk away.
I finished many a job with tears in my eyes from anger, frustration and a general feeling from enough is enough,but I finished it and held my head high.
That is the attitude where you separate the boys from the real men. Every company where I have worked in my life, I am welcome to come back, because even if I didn’t like it, I did my job and after that told the gaffer that he better would look around for a replacement, this has and will always be appreciated.
Transport world is a very small business and there is a major chance you cross each other way more than once.
Nowadays people are not loyal any more and walk away when the smallest resistance comes up, in private and in work.
Where are the good men??
Walking away is the easiest part, sort it come with good proposals, and there will be a solution, keep crying on the phone " I wanna go home" and it will be a one way cul de sac!
caledoniandream:
What is any guarentee if you sleep enough hours that you don’t fall asleep at the wheel?
There is much more involved in that, you can have a perfectly night rest and an hour down the road you are knackered and could do with some hours kip.
Next day you work the clock round and you are still fit, the older drivers in here remember the times that the Gaffer would say if you tired sleep with your arm on the steering wheel, when you wake up from the pain, you had enough sleep! Was not perfect but it showed that the human body can do a little more than 10 hours a day.
The gritters last winter don’t use a tacho for a VERY good reason.
But everybody has there own priorities and standards.
Leaving the truck and walk away shows a little where you are made off, life will bring you many a times things where you just have to go on with and cannot walk away.
I finished many a job with tears in my eyes from anger, frustration and a general feeling from enough is enough,but I finished it and held my head high.
That is the atitude where you separate the boys from the real men. Every company where I have worked in my life, I am welcome to come back, because even if I didn’t like it, I did my job and after that told the gaffer that he better would look around for a replacement, this has and will always be appriciated.
Transport world is a very small busuness and there is a major chance you cross each other way more than once.
Nowadays people are not loyal anymore and walk away when the smallest resistance comes up, in private and in work.
Where are the good men??
Walking away is the easiest part, sort it come with good proposals, and there will be a solution, keep crying on the phone " I wanna go home" and it will be a one way cul de sac!
LOL !!! Go read Commercial motor legal section and just see how many companies that have been done for running bent then go and dob their drivers in for the blame when it was them that got them to do the bent running in the first place. Thats the harsh reality of employers who just want the job done. Of course walking away is that easy that you can’t do it !!!
caledoniandream:
What is any guarentee if you sleep enough hours that you don’t fall asleep at the wheel?
There is much more involved in that, you can have a perfectly night rest and an hour down the road you are knackered and could do with some hours kip.
Next day you work the clock round and you are still fit, the older drivers in here remember the times that the Gaffer would say if you tired sleep with your arm on the steering wheel, when you wake up from the pain, you had enough sleep! Was not perfect but it showed that the human body can do a little more than 10 hours a day.
The gritters last winter don’t use a tacho for a VERY good reason.
But everybody has there own priorities and standards.
Leaving the truck and walk away shows a little where you are made off, life will bring you many a times things where you just have to go on with and cannot walk away.
I finished many a job with tears in my eyes from anger, frustration and a general feeling from enough is enough,but I finished it and held my head high.
That is the atitude where you separate the boys from the real men. Every company where I have worked in my life, I am welcome to come back, because even if I didn’t like it, I did my job and after that told the gaffer that he better would look around for a replacement, this has and will always be appriciated.
Transport world is a very small busuness and there is a major chance you cross each other way more than once.
Nowadays people are not loyal anymore and walk away when the smallest resistance comes up, in private and in work.
Where are the good men??
Walking away is the easiest part, sort it come with good proposals, and there will be a solution, keep crying on the phone " I wanna go home" and it will be a one way cul de sac!
LOL !!! Go read Commercial motor legal section and just see how many companies that have been done for running bent then go and dob their drivers in for the blame when it was them that got them to do the bent running in the first place. Thats the harsh reality of employers who just want the job done. Of course walking away is that easy that you can’t do it !!!
Agree. I think a lot of these old drivers are still stuck in the 70s! Loyalty probably worked both ways then but these days it doesn’t and with the exception of a very small number of companies, you are just used and abused to get the job done, be it legally or illegally, they do not care for you nor your personal circumstances nor your home life. Far too many drivers these days just simply roll over and be tickled, chanting BS like “well, I’ve done them a favour so they’ll do me a favour by giving me an early finish on Friday”, and what happens come Friday? Yeah that’s right, you’re still on the M25 at 6pm with another 2hrs drive to go when you should be down the boozer with your pals. The sooner these old breed of ‘how high?’ boys [zb] off and retire, the better for all of us.
Mike-C:
LOL !!! Go read Commercial motor legal section and just see how many companies that have been done for running bent then go and dob their drivers in for the blame when it was them that got them to do the bent running in the first place. Thats the harsh reality of employers who just want the job done. Of course walking away is that easy that you can’t do it !!!
Is not what I say to work bent, I am very against that at all, bit there are more ways that lead to Rome, speak and your mouth go open!
Could have offered to stay in a hotel, on their exppenses and have soem sleep and bring the truck back after his legal rest.
Come with ideas, walking away is easy and leave another in the [zb].
Mostimes there is more than one solution.
And yes I can walk away if I want but I never will do it, and never will apriciate anybody who does it.
I had my fair share in life, but I am still there.
As an employer I would never ask anybody to bent the rules, use the rules yes, but bending them is another story.
But I must say, I used agency drivers in the past and many of them drop the job very easy and don’t care a [zb], how somebody it will solve not their problem!
And the same people moan that a company not is interested in them, why would that be.
I know for sure and without boasting, that most drivers who work for me respect me and give me respect, because they know that I stand for what I say, and back them up where ever is nesecary.
I read Commercial Moter and have to smile now and than, the driver didn’t want to do it, but didn’t spit on the money what they paid for doing it, we call that double standard, I don’t know what you want to call it??
Rob K:
Agree. I think a lot of these old drivers are still stuck in the 70s! Loyalty probably worked both ways then but these days it doesn’t and with the exception of a very small number of companies, you are just used and abused to get the job done, be it legally or illegally, they do not care for you nor your personal circumstances nor your home life. Far too many drivers these days just simply roll over and be tickled, chanting BS like “well, I’ve done them a favour so they’ll do me a favour by giving me an early finish on Friday”, and what happens come Friday? Yeah that’s right, you’re still on the M25 at 6pm with another 2hrs drive to go when you should be down the boozer with your pals. The sooner these old breed of ‘how high?’ boys [zb] off and retire, the better for all of us.
If you work for a ‘decent’ Company who don’t want you to work illegally then why wouldn’t you be loyal to them? If a Company looks after you, you are going to look after them. It’s nothing to do with BS and ‘old breeds’. It’s all about RESPECT, something today’s generation know FA about.
Rob K:
Agree. I think a lot of these old drivers are still stuck in the 70s! Loyalty probably worked both ways then but these days it doesn’t and with the exception of a very small number of companies, you are just used and abused to get the job done, be it legally or illegally, they do not care for you nor your personal circumstances nor your home life. Far too many drivers these days just simply roll over and be tickled, chanting BS like “well, I’ve done them a favour so they’ll do me a favour by giving me an early finish on Friday”, and what happens come Friday? Yeah that’s right, you’re still on the M25 at 6pm with another 2hrs drive to go when you should be down the boozer with your pals. The sooner these old breed of ‘how high?’ boys [zb] off and retire, the better for all of us.
If you work for a ‘decent’ Company who don’t want you to work illegally then why wouldn’t you be loyal to them? If a Company looks after you, you are going to look after them. It’s nothing to do with BS and ‘old breeds’. It’s all about RESPECT, something today’s generation know FA about.
caledoniandream:
Is not what I say to work bent, I am very against that at all, bit there are more ways that lead to Rome, speak and your mouth go open!
Could have offered to stay in a hotel, on their exppenses and have soem sleep and bring the truck back after his legal rest.
Come with ideas, walking away is easy and leave another in the [zb].
Mostimes there is more than one solution.
And yes I can walk away if I want but I never will do it, and never will apriciate anybody who does it.
I had my fair share in life, but I am still there.
As an employer I would never ask anybody to bent the rules, use the rules yes, but bending them is another story.
But I must say, I used agency drivers in the past and many of them drop the job very easy and don’t care a [zb], how somebody it will solve not their problem!
And the same people moan that a company not is interested in them, why would that be.
I know for sure and without boasting, that most drivers who work for me respect me and give me respect, because they know that I stand for what I say, and back them up where ever is nesecary.
I read Commercial Moter and have to smile now and than, the driver didn’t want to do it, but didn’t spit on the money what they paid for doing it, we call that double standard, I don’t know what you want to call it??
Agreed, it’s too easy to just ‘go’, whatever the reason it just seems wrong to ‘walk’ like that.
If the Vehicle was dangerous or unsafe and you was told to use it, then yes.
Rob K:
Agree. I think a lot of these old drivers are still stuck in the 70s! Loyalty probably worked both ways then but these days it doesn’t and with the exception of a very small number of companies, you are just used and abused to get the job done, be it legally or illegally, they do not care for you nor your personal circumstances nor your home life. Far too many drivers these days just simply roll over and be tickled, chanting BS like “well, I’ve done them a favour so they’ll do me a favour by giving me an early finish on Friday”, and what happens come Friday? Yeah that’s right, you’re still on the M25 at 6pm with another 2hrs drive to go when you should be down the boozer with your pals. The sooner these old breed of ‘how high?’ boys [zb] off and retire, the better for all of us.
If you work for a ‘decent’ Company who don’t want you to work illegally then why wouldn’t you be loyal to them? If a Company looks after you, you are going to look after them. It’s nothing to do with BS and ‘old breeds’. It’s all about RESPECT, something today’s generation know FA about.
Rob K:
Agree. I think a lot of these old drivers are still stuck in the 70s! Loyalty probably worked both ways then but these days it doesn’t and with the exception of a very small number of companies, you are just used and abused to get the job done, be it legally or illegally, they do not care for you nor your personal circumstances nor your home life. Far too many drivers these days just simply roll over and be tickled, chanting BS like “well, I’ve done them a favour so they’ll do me a favour by giving me an early finish on Friday”, and what happens come Friday? Yeah that’s right, you’re still on the M25 at 6pm with another 2hrs drive to go when you should be down the boozer with your pals. The sooner these old breed of ‘how high?’ boys [zb] off and retire, the better for all of us.
If you work for a ‘decent’ Company who don’t want you to work illegally then why wouldn’t you be loyal to them? If a Company looks after you, you are going to look after them. It’s nothing to do with BS and ‘old breeds’. It’s all about RESPECT, something today’s generation know FA about.
Right, so you call it RESPECT when your gaffer expects you to do a 20hr day when his truck breaks down and there’s a depot of theirs round the corner. RESPECT should work both ways and the simple fact is that it is EXTREMELY rare to find it coming from the co. you work for, I don’t care how good a job you do them. It’s all “can you nip… can you just… can you help us out…” but when you need an early finish due to they say “yeah no problem” and then come 4pm you still find yourself at the other end of the country. And don’t even try to deny it because there is all the evidence you could ever need from other drivers just on this site alone.
Rob K:
Agree. I think a lot of these old drivers are still stuck in the 70s! Loyalty probably worked both ways then but these days it doesn’t and with the exception of a very small number of companies, you are just used and abused to get the job done, be it legally or illegally, they do not care for you nor your personal circumstances nor your home life. Far too many drivers these days just simply roll over and be tickled, chanting BS like “well, I’ve done them a favour so they’ll do me a favour by giving me an early finish on Friday”, and what happens come Friday? Yeah that’s right, you’re still on the M25 at 6pm with another 2hrs drive to go when you should be down the boozer with your pals. The sooner these old breed of ‘how high?’ boys [zb] off and retire, the better for all of us.
If you work for a ‘decent’ Company who don’t want you to work illegally then why wouldn’t you be loyal to them? If a Company looks after you, you are going to look after them. It’s nothing to do with BS and ‘old breeds’. It’s all about RESPECT, something today’s generation know FA about.
Rob K:
Right, so you call it RESPECT when your gaffer expects you to do a 20hr day when his truck breaks down and there’s a depot of theirs round the corner. RESPECT should work both ways and the simple fact is that it is EXTREMELY rare to find it coming from the co. you work for, I don’t care how good a job you do them. It’s all “can you nip… can you just… can you help us out…” but when you need an early finish due to they say “yeah no problem” and then come 4pm you still find yourself at the other end of the country. And don’t even try to deny it because there is all the evidence you could ever need from other drivers just on this site alone.
Did I? Errrrr best you read my posts again.
Not every company ■■■■ on you, take that chip of your shoulder.
OK, I’m new to this and I may be ‘old fashioned’ in my way of thinking, but when you get your DAF or whatever vehicle for the Day or Week isn’t that ‘yours’? Don’t you look after it? Keep it secure when away from it? Check it before driving off that it’s OK and ‘safe’?
If I’m in charge of something it’s my responsibility until I hand it back, is that not the case?
dinosteveus1:
Did I? Errrrr best you read my posts again.
Yes, you did, and I quote :
dinosteveus1:
It’s all about RESPECT, something today’s generation know FA about.
dinosteveus1:
Not every company [zb] on you, take that chip of your shoulder.
No chip here. It’s mugs like you that are happy to bend over and let your gaffer’s shaft you up the arse.
The whole quote FFS:- If you work for a ‘decent’ Company who don’t want you to work illegally then why wouldn’t you be loyal to them? If a Company looks after you, you are going to look after them. It’s nothing to do with BS and ‘old breeds’. It’s all about RESPECT, something today’s generation know FA about. If a Company looks after you, you are going to look after them. RESPECT them as they must RESPECT you.
edit,
CBA with this, argue with yourself and I wouldn’t take it up the arse for no one.
