dave:
“plus if they had it fixed by 8pm you could have got 2 or 3 hours kip if you wanted to”
3 hours kip and then onto another shift
hey if it meant i could then drive the 3 hours home to get my bed and sleep for as long as i want and get paid 8 hours for it why not.
How can I trust them that I will go home? I am according to some on here legal to do another 15 hours due to company needs so how the ■■■■ am I gonna stay up for 15 hours when I start again at 10am should I get held up?
I cant believe the amount of lads on here with this attitude although it doesnt surprise me. I agree with Mike, if more of you stood up for yourself instead of going along with being bossed about you would get more respect. I wont be bitched about like some of you do for what is an average wage at the end of the day crack on with it I just hope it is their own lives they take on not an innocent one when they drop off after 2 hours sleep in 2 shifts
I’ve not read all the posts as it seems like a slanging match.
Legally, you could drive the truck 9hrs after taking your tacho out…
Personally, I’d have told the agency that I’m going in a premier inn or similar for the night at their expense, the tacho would have 5am - 8pm with 1pm - 8pm as POA, charged then 15hrs work, night out, premier inn expenses, then hours for running back in next day (not all will pay you 8hrs min for just running in, only if you’re working)…
And I’d have been rolling when I was ready to drive again, not at 8pm or whatever the company says.
Best of luck mate, but make sure you do a manual entry / printout with POA from 1pm - 8pm for when you took tach out.
OllieNotts:
Ok guys will cut a long story short…
Broke down this morning on Cannock island where ramada is(sorry if I was in your way to all the lorry drivers giving me swear words and shakes of the head like it was my fault ) anyway, mechanic turns up and we move off to a retail park and he decides that the compresser is gone and I need a new one. Ok fair doo’s I go to Walsalll and ask how long. They say 4 hours tops and as I arrived I told gaffa at company I dont think it is realistic I will make it back at 8pm when my 15 runs out. He tells me it will be ok and I will stay with unit. 5pm comes and it isnt fixed…as I predicted and now the air dryer has gone to meaning another 2 hours(8pm) gaffa tells me I will either wait and get a lift back or as I pulled card can leave it out till 9 is up and crack on. I ring agency to tell them that after our tele call I am being told to break the law and I am not happy. Agency to my shock tell me I should break the law if I want get home or sleep in their yard(in a small room with 2 chairs)
Now that is the short story, I told him it is my license and not his and he was taking the ■■■■, they had all day to sort something out as regards to pulling me out and they decided not to and thought I would play their game of breaking law to suit them but I wont and I ended up getting the train from Walsall to brum and back to Nottingham.
My question is this…
How do I ask to be paid? 5am to 1830 when I walked plus bus/train/tram to get home? They said if I had pulled my card at 1pm as I did as I knew I wouldnt be back on road that I only had to wait till 2200 to be back on it when I could complete job and get back despite no rest as and I quote “you have been sitting round for hours its the same as rest” and then back to Belle eau park and home. When I said that will be near on 20 hours at work by time im finished he said “no it wont, 2 cards in one day 9 off UNPAID means it is to your benefit” Needless to say I will not be working for these cowboys again, I value my license more then that.
Or am I being mardy? I am having doubts as to wether this is normal practise or not and the law counts for nothing or was I right to stick to my grounds and refuse to bring it back and get the train?
Any advice greatly appreciated and yeah I know I didnt bend over when I could of done as chances caught are slim but I would also appreciate not being hammered for this
original post seeks advice etc
seem thats yet again gone by the board and some seem to take delight in having a personnel go at others because of their answers ,which is no help to ollie. why do alot of threads degenerate into abuse etc. Most of us all do the same thing and 99% struggle to make a decent living with some home life(cept the £1000 per week 39 hours/job an finish etc brigade) it gets very boring reading all the "im better/know more/been there/done more in reverse etc brigade. i also have done many many things in my 36 years as a hgv driver but would not be so condesending as to squash/critize another drivers skills.
he (the o p ) asked for advice not a f war amongst us
perhaps this forum should be renamed “WAR NET”
Lee G:
you may find its all about give and take in this world, granted nine times out of ten its the bosses and companies that do the taking but its called getting on with the job and if you do help them out, when you need it they will normally help you out if they can.
maybe transport would have a better name and drivers would get treated with more respect if we stopped [zb] moaning as much and helped each other out!
Funny that, i have a completley different take on it. Maybe we’d have more respect if we grew a pair of balls and said no to being taken for granted that we’d do a 20 hour day. If he started work at 5am you can guess he was up at 4am, for anyone to assume or hope he might sit it through till midnight ,well its absurd. I do realise that there are some guys that would be happy to do such a stint on the basis ‘its all money’, i wouldn’t be one of them and it sounds like you would. I suppose thats the beauty of our job, you can find one that works the way that suits you. And its cases like this that highlight to us that there are obviously lots of guys out there who are prepared to do this stuff that others amongst us wouldn’t. My take on it is that if more people said ‘are you stupid, you want me to work till midnight and i started at 5am? get a life, i’ll see ya tomorrow’, then we’d get more respect. But as you say, you’d get your P45 so you do it, i understand.
no mike I’m not saying he should do 20 hours plus then start a new day, I’m saying he took his card out of the wagon and didn’t ask for somewhere to sleep, as has been said im sure they would have given him a cab to crash in for the next 9 hours, yes it can be noisy at dealers but no more noisy than a truck stop or msa!
All I’m saying is that a bit of give and take goes a long way. When you ring up with a problem sometimes it makes the office bods job a lot easier if you already have a possible solution to put to them but a lot of drivers can’t think outside the box “cos they are just paid to drive”. Maybe if the OP had put the spare cab option to them(so even if the garage said no to him his gaffer could have rung up and put some pressure on them) and explained he would be claiming night out (which he is entitled to) and the next day’s 8 hour shift (would more than likely get this anyway for the inconvenience) as he has had to cancel tomorrow’s job with a different agency because of it
dave:
“plus if they had it fixed by 8pm you could have got 2 or 3 hours kip if you wanted to”
3 hours kip and then onto another shift
hey if it meant i could then drive the 3 hours home to get my bed and sleep for as long as i want and get paid 8 hours for it why not.
How can I trust them that I will go home? I am according to some on here legal to do another 15 hours due to company needs so how the [zb] am I gonna stay up for 15 hours when I start again at 10am should I get held up?
I cant believe the amount of lads on here with this attitude although it doesnt surprise me. I agree with Mike, if more of you stood up for yourself instead of going along with being bossed about you would get more respect. I wont be bitched about like some of you do for what is an average wage at the end of the day crack on with it I just hope it is their own lives they take on not an innocent one when they drop off after 2 hours sleep in 2 shifts
es if you take ur tacho out for 9 hours you can "legally " ( i use that in the loosest of terms) do another 15 hour shift. but as you said it was only 3 hours back home, its called getting on with things and stop bloody moaning about it. its not ideal but if you want to get home then do it.
but there was nothing there to say you cant have more than a couple of hours kip in the truck was their? hell you could have had ur 9 hours then went home if you really wanted, that is if im reading into this properly
dave:
“plus if they had it fixed by 8pm you could have got 2 or 3 hours kip if you wanted to”
3 hours kip and then onto another shift
hey if it meant i could then drive the 3 hours home to get my bed and sleep for as long as i want and get paid 8 hours for it why not.
How can I trust them that I will go home? I am according to some on here legal to do another 15 hours due to company needs so how the [zb] am I gonna stay up for 15 hours when I start again at 10am should I get held up?
I cant believe the amount of lads on here with this attitude although it doesnt surprise me. I agree with Mike, if more of you stood up for yourself instead of going along with being bossed about you would get more respect. I wont be bitched about like some of you do for what is an average wage at the end of the day crack on with it I just hope it is their own lives they take on not an innocent one when they drop off after 2 hours sleep in 2 shifts
es if you take ur tacho out for 9 hours you can "legally " ( i use that in the loosest of terms) do another 15 hour shift. but as you said it was only 3 hours back home, its called getting on with things and stop bloody moaning about it. its not ideal but if you want to get home then do it.
but there was nothing there to say you cant have more than a couple of hours kip in the truck was their? hell you could have had ur 9 hours then went home if you really wanted, that is if im reading into this properly
It was 3 hours back yes, however once the card is back in I am liable to another 15 hour day because as you say loosely it is legal so after I am in the position to drive on wales and I have not refused this instance whats to say they dont demand I carry on and finish the job hence leaving me open to nodding off at the wheel. There were no units for hire or on show it was not a showroom how many more times have I got to say it was a bloody garage
And I dont take the abuse personally its quite sad that so many will go to such lengths for any company agency or permanent staff it makes me feel sorry you feel you have to or need to in this day and age grow some balls men
Lee G:
no mike I’m not saying he should do 20 hours plus then start a new day, I’m saying he took his card out of the wagon and didn’t ask for somewhere to sleep, as has been said im sure they would have given him a cab to crash in for the next 9 hours, yes it can be noisy at dealers but no more noisy than a truck stop or msa!
All I’m saying is that a bit of give and take goes a long way. When you ring up with a problem sometimes it makes the office bods job a lot easier if you already have a possible solution to put to them but a lot of drivers can’t think outside the box “cos they are just paid to drive”. Maybe if the OP had put the spare cab option to them(so even if the garage said no to him his gaffer could have rung up and put some pressure on them) and explained he would be claiming night out (which he is entitled to) and the next day’s 8 hour shift (would more than likely get this anyway for the inconvenience) as he has had to cancel tomorrow’s job with a different agency because of it
I’m still not seeing it. All your explanation is what the driver could do. How about look at from another angle, what can the company do? They have a depot round the corner, a broken down truck, its late afternoon and there’s a driver who has been on since 5am and he’s a day man with no kit and no truck to sleep in. Now, where’s the give and take? There isn’t any. Their only concern is how is the load getting delivered and bollox to the rest of it whether its a broken truck or a tired driver.
There is no give and take, the only reason any of us is in a job is because we make them money, let them sort the problems out.
Deepinvet:
I would of just got on with the job…You win some you lose some.
But in this case I don’t think there was a need to break the law.
If you had just done the job they would of rememberd you, as you didn’t, they won’t forget you…
Aww Bless, if he would of done them a favour they would of returned it hey and ‘remembered’ him’?
Deepinvet:
I remember when I was tramping in Europe having a 24 off…finishing work at say 18.00 then starting a new week 18.00 the next day…that was a pain in the arris…
Yeah thats what having a 24 off is !! Describe a scenario when you won some?!!!
dave:
“plus if they had it fixed by 8pm you could have got 2 or 3 hours kip if you wanted to”
3 hours kip and then onto another shift
hey if it meant i could then drive the 3 hours home to get my bed and sleep for as long as i want and get paid 8 hours for it why not.
How can I trust them that I will go home? I am according to some on here legal to do another 15 hours due to company needs so how the [zb] am I gonna stay up for 15 hours when I start again at 10am should I get held up?
I cant believe the amount of lads on here with this attitude although it doesnt surprise me. I agree with Mike, if more of you stood up for yourself instead of going along with being bossed about you would get more respect. I wont be bitched about like some of you do for what is an average wage at the end of the day crack on with it I just hope it is their own lives they take on not an innocent one when they drop off after 2 hours sleep in 2 shifts
es if you take ur tacho out for 9 hours you can "legally " ( i use that in the loosest of terms) do another 15 hour shift. but as you said it was only 3 hours back home, its called getting on with things and stop bloody moaning about it. its not ideal but if you want to get home then do it.
but there was nothing there to say you cant have more than a couple of hours kip in the truck was their? hell you could have had ur 9 hours then went home if you really wanted, that is if im reading into this properly
It was 3 hours back yes, however once the card is back in I am liable to another 15 hour day because as you say loosely it is legal so after I am in the position to drive on wales and I have not refused this instance whats to say they dont demand I carry on and finish the job hence leaving me open to nodding off at the wheel. There were no units for hire or on show it was not a showroom how many more times have I got to say it was a bloody garage
And I dont take the abuse personally its quite sad that so many will go to such lengths for any company agency or permanent staff it makes me feel sorry you feel you have to or need to in this day and age grow some balls men
you dont seem to get the point im making though, it was only 3 hours back then you can go home to your bed and stay in it, you could have easily said to them ok this is a one off, i want 8 hours for running in 2moro aswell as 8 hours for today plus night out money. but instead you walked off a joba nd spent your own money to get home.
I’m saying he took his card out of the wagon and didn’t ask for somewhere to sleep,
What makes anyone think that the driver could actually get to sleep ■■ - he had been up from about 4am and would probably not be tired enough to sleep until at least early evening - unless the recommendation is for the driver to drug himself !!!
I’m saying he took his card out of the wagon and didn’t ask for somewhere to sleep,
What makes anyone think that the driver could actually get to sleep ■■ - he had been up from about 4am and would probably not be tired enough to sleep until at least early evening - unless the recommendation is for the driver to drug himself !!!
come on rog! how often have you had a crap nights sleep and gone to work the following day? or on the other hand had a cracking nights sleep and after being in the driving seat for an hour got a right weary on? what did you do then? pull over and have a kip? thought so, as most drivers would!
shuttlespanker:
There are plenty of drivers that have done that ROG, myself included
Although, the question itself is irrelevant, there is no law that states thet you must sleep in your daily rest period, it is time off to do as youy will, in thius case, the OP 's will ewas to sit in a waiting room
shuttlespanker:
There are plenty of drivers that have done that ROG, myself included
Although, the question itself is irrelevant, there is no law that states thet you must sleep in your daily rest period, it is time off to do as youy will, in thius case, the OP 's will ewas to sit in a waiting room
YEEHAA!
I thought there are laws that say (directly or indirectly) a driver must not drive if too tired to drive safely and I do believe that trumps anything else
shuttlespanker:
There are plenty of drivers that have done that ROG, myself included
Although, the question itself is irrelevant, there is no law that states thet you must sleep in your daily rest period, it is time off to do as youy will, in thius case, the OP 's will ewas to sit in a waiting room
YEEHAA!
I thought there are laws that say (directly or indirectly) a driver must not drive if too tired to drive safely and I do believe that trumps anything else
ROG:
I thought there are laws that say (directly or indirectly) a driver must not drive if too tired to drive safely and I do believe that trumps anything else
I don’t think that anyone will be able to come up with a reasonable argument with the above but I bet some will try…
I’m saying he took his card out of the wagon and didn’t ask for somewhere to sleep,
What makes anyone think that the driver could actually get to sleep ■■ - he had been up from about 4am and would probably not be tired enough to sleep until at least early evening - unless the recommendation is for the driver to drug himself !!!
come on rog! how often have you had a crap nights sleep and gone to work the following day? or on the other hand had a cracking nights sleep and after being in the driving seat for an hour got a right weary on? what did you do then? pull over and have a kip? thought so, as most drivers would!
But yet again you’re missing the point and just making up scenarios to suit. Nothing wrong with taking an hours kip through the day if you’re feeling a bit tired, but then you finish your shift, go home, have your tea and go to bed for a full nights sleep and then start over the next day. What you’re suggesting is to pull your card for 9 hrs and somehow force a full nights sleep into the middle of the day when you’ll probably only sleep for an hour max, and then start again on a full night shift at 10pm. Sorry but you’re off your [zb] rocker.
dave:
“plus if they had it fixed by 8pm you could have got 2 or 3 hours kip if you wanted to”
3 hours kip and then onto another shift
hey if it meant i could then drive the 3 hours home to get my bed and sleep for as long as i want and get paid 8 hours for it why not.
How can I trust them that I will go home? I am according to some on here legal to do another 15 hours due to company needs so how the [zb] am I gonna stay up for 15 hours when I start again at 10am should I get held up?
I cant believe the amount of lads on here with this attitude although it doesnt surprise me. I agree with Mike, if more of you stood up for yourself instead of going along with being bossed about you would get more respect. I wont be bitched about like some of you do for what is an average wage at the end of the day crack on with it I just hope it is their own lives they take on not an innocent one when they drop off after 2 hours sleep in 2 shifts
es if you take ur tacho out for 9 hours you can "legally " ( i use that in the loosest of terms) do another 15 hour shift. but as you said it was only 3 hours back home, its called getting on with things and stop bloody moaning about it. its not ideal but if you want to get home then do it.
but there was nothing there to say you cant have more than a couple of hours kip in the truck was their? hell you could have had ur 9 hours then went home if you really wanted, that is if im reading into this properly
It was 3 hours back yes, however once the card is back in I am liable to another 15 hour day because as you say loosely it is legal so after I am in the position to drive on wales and I have not refused this instance whats to say they dont demand I carry on and finish the job hence leaving me open to nodding off at the wheel. There were no units for hire or on show it was not a showroom how many more times have I got to say it was a bloody garage
And I dont take the abuse personally its quite sad that so many will go to such lengths for any company agency or permanent staff it makes me feel sorry you feel you have to or need to in this day and age grow some balls men
you dont seem to get the point im making though, it was only 3 hours back then you can go home to your bed and stay in it, you could have easily said to them ok this is a one off, i want 8 hours for running in 2moro aswell as 8 hours for today plus night out money. but instead you walked off a joba nd spent your own money to get home.
are you even getting paid for this shift?
I stayed in my bed and was home by 9 with my baby in my arms, worth more to me then the crap they were giving me and the risk of falling asleep at the wheel. I would like to paid if not no worries I learnt a very good lesson never to go never said company again or agency who rang me this morning asking if I can work tomorrow so couldnt of upset em that much, however I declined
I must say in my opinion the fact you are proud/gloating about doing 2 shifts with 2 hours sleep makes you look very foolish. No offence intended either just an opinion, no pride in killing a car full of people cause you didnt sleep well. Long may it live on yours or any one elses conscience should that happen cause you wanna be the hard man and bend over for folk in that way I hope they throw away the key
dave:
“plus if they had it fixed by 8pm you could have got 2 or 3 hours kip if you wanted to”
3 hours kip and then onto another shift
hey if it meant i could then drive the 3 hours home to get my bed and sleep for as long as i want and get paid 8 hours for it why not.
How can I trust them that I will go home? I am according to some on here legal to do another 15 hours due to company needs so how the [zb] am I gonna stay up for 15 hours when I start again at 10am should I get held up?
I cant believe the amount of lads on here with this attitude although it doesnt surprise me. I agree with Mike, if more of you stood up for yourself instead of going along with being bossed about you would get more respect. I wont be bitched about like some of you do for what is an average wage at the end of the day crack on with it I just hope it is their own lives they take on not an innocent one when they drop off after 2 hours sleep in 2 shifts
es if you take ur tacho out for 9 hours you can "legally " ( i use that in the loosest of terms) do another 15 hour shift. but as you said it was only 3 hours back home, its called getting on with things and stop bloody moaning about it. its not ideal but if you want to get home then do it.
but there was nothing there to say you cant have more than a couple of hours kip in the truck was their? hell you could have had ur 9 hours then went home if you really wanted, that is if im reading into this properly
It was 3 hours back yes, however once the card is back in I am liable to another 15 hour day because as you say loosely it is legal so after I am in the position to drive on wales and I have not refused this instance whats to say they dont demand I carry on and finish the job hence leaving me open to nodding off at the wheel. There were no units for hire or on show it was not a showroom how many more times have I got to say it was a bloody garage
And I dont take the abuse personally its quite sad that so many will go to such lengths for any company agency or permanent staff it makes me feel sorry you feel you have to or need to in this day and age grow some balls men
you dont seem to get the point im making though, it was only 3 hours back then you can go home to your bed and stay in it, you could have easily said to them ok this is a one off, i want 8 hours for running in 2moro aswell as 8 hours for today plus night out money. but instead you walked off a joba nd spent your own money to get home.
are you even getting paid for this shift?
I stayed in my bed and was home by 9 with my baby in my arms, worth more to me then the crap they were giving me and the risk of falling asleep at the wheel. I would like to paid if not no worries I learnt a very good lesson never to go never said company again or agency who rang me this morning asking if I can work tomorrow so couldnt of upset em that much, however I declined
I must say in my opinion the fact you are proud/gloating about doing 2 shifts with 2 hours sleep makes you look very foolish. No offence intended either just an opinion, no pride in killing a car full of people cause you didnt sleep well. Long may it live on yours or any one elses conscience should that happen cause you wanna be the hard man and bend over for folk in that way I hope they throw away the key
if you had read properly i dont sleep very much,i dont need to i work better with less sleep than sleeping for 8/9/10 hours then going to work
gogzy:
if you had read properly i dont sleep very much,i dont need to i work better with less sleep than sleeping for 8/9/10 hours then going to work
Yeah but to be fair, you’re only young and messing about on small vans and a few artics and stuff, just wait till you do it day in day out for years, see how you go on then !!!
gaffa tells me I will either wait and get a lift back or as I pulled card can leave it out till 9 is up and crack on. I ring agency to tell them that after our tele call I am being told to break the law and I am not happy. Agency to my shock tell me I should break the law if I want get home or sleep in their yard(in a small room with 2 chairs) 
