Winseer:
it’s about time we pushed “western lapsing” onto those bringing their intact and firebrand religion into this country when they SAY they are running away from it.
Prove it.
Renounce Islam upon arrival - or be deported.
It’s not a “Religion of Peace” any more than the ■■■■ party “Cult” was.
The real question is why are the Western governments so keen on importing this unstable demographic to the point of potential local takeover,rather than keeping it well away from us in its Middle Eastern heartlands ?.While obviously regarding anyone who disagrees among the indigenous population as the bigger enemy branded as so called ‘far right’ extremists.
IE some weird unfathomable agenda of our own governments within an obvious clear agenda within the Saudi one.
Leaving the even more massive question what’s the Western government’s end game here.
Now you’re talking my language, what is their end game? I’ve no idea, this is beyond my comprehension, maybe ISIS was intended to put the house of Saud out of the picture and like the arming of the Mujahideen it has bitten them on the arse, maybe it’s the next wave of cheap labour? Maybe there’s something other than oil beneath the region, a mineral that will be more valuable than oil in the future? I don’t know the specifics, but I would be willing to bet that somebody is making an absolute fortune out of it.
There’s plenty of people making money from the “war on terror”. I think there’s an agenda not to let things calm down. Have you seen the film war dogs? It’s a true story with a comical slant, but it pretty much sums up western intervention in the Middle East
Big Truck:
Those of you defending not giving the “local Bobbie” the OPTION of being trained to carry a “proper” sidearm:
There WILL come a day when the barbarian/savage Muslim extremists do manage to smuggle/acquire an AK47 in the UK and the slaughter will be unimaginable then!!!
There are numerous Police murders over the past 40yrs on UK mainland whereby IMHO the Police Constables who were unfortunately murdered on duty would have stood a far better chance of living had they had the option to use a sidearm.
The poster who said they might not have the nerve to use one faced with a knife wielding maniac,
BALLS!!!
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While I always been a big believer of arming police with gun, I realise it doesn’t sort anything.
Except from Britain, every police force in Europe is armed with at least a handgun.
Did it stop the attacks in France (twice), Belgium, Germany? Did it?
The only thing I see is that in the USA there are more innocent people shot by trigger happy policemen than anywhere else in the Western world.
Not every policeman / woman is capable to make that decision of life and dead.
Not every police men / women is even capable to shoot properly, everybody who has been trained in the army or police with a handgun or a snipergun knows that only very few could hit a target in the proper place (legs, underbody instead straight through the head)
Would you really want to have the bullits flying around in a busy city like London.
On the other side, I don’t understand why our parliament and airports are not protected by snipers on strategic places.
Local Police in Berlin have handguns, same in Belfast. There’s no bullets flying around?
Where I will agree with one point is that the Police in NI were recruited and selected from the start with firearms in mind. Perhaps some of the individuals in the English Police wouldn’t make suitable holders of them. Tasers get misused because they’re viewed as non lethal, I don’t think even the most stupid of coppers would go around shooting miscreants ad hoc. The repercussions too serious.
To say it would turn into the states misss the point of why the states is like that. It’s not to do with coppers carrying guns rather their lack of gun control in the first place. See again Germany, France. Armed Police but you wouldn’t say it was like America?
For those who say guns aren’t the answer, some had to have been, as Luke said, it only took a knife to kill - but the truth is it did take a firearm to stop it. And it took firearms to stop all the other attacks around Europe.
I had to turn off LBC earlier, when the leftie ■■■ James O’Brien called him Adrian, and not Khaleed because his birth name is a distance from Islam. Only the loony left can make a victim of this scumbag ffs.
Funny that the hypocrite doesn’t call Muhamed Ali by his birth name
Two informative clips hitting the nail onthe head. The speaker is apparently a Christain Lebanese Arab rather than a Jew as one would assume from her accent.
Fascinating how many people on this thread seem to want to turn our country into a war zone. The fact remains that you’re probably safer on the streets of London now than you were in 70s/80s/90s. Not all wars can be won and when the enemy is a huge range of lone operators fighting fire with fire would just lead to more carnage. There is no easy answer here
I’m surprised Andrew Neil is employed by the BBC. He doesn’t fit their agenda, and refuses to ignore the truths that many beeb journalists do. He’s the only person on the network who I respect
switchlogic:
Fascinating how many people on this thread seem to want to turn our country into a war zone. The fact remains that you’re probably safer on the streets of London now than you were in 70s/80s/90s. Not all wars can be won and when the enemy is a huge range of lone operators fighting fire with fire would just lead to more carnage. There is no easy answer here
The only people who WANT to turn this country into a war zone are the muslims with their barbaric religion and hostile view of our Christian/Western culture. We might be or might not be safer on the streets of our country now than previously but this is not a game of statistics we’re playing. If you believe our way of life is safe in the hands of past and present politicians who seem unwilling to face the real threat posed by these animals then I’d say you’re as deluded as them. There may well be more carnage but sometimes that’s the price to pay for REAL freedom. Not something I see much of in any muslim country around the world.
switchlogic:
Fascinating how many people on this thread seem to want to turn our country into a war zone. The fact remains that you’re probably safer on the streets of London now than you were in 70s/80s/90s. Not all wars can be won and when the enemy is a huge range of lone operators fighting fire with fire would just lead to more carnage. There is no easy answer here
Well, for myself I was discussing whether Police should be armed. I’m not sure how this correlates to “wanting to turn the country into a war zone”. I wouldn’t say armed Policemen in Paris has turned the city into a war zone. How did you come to that conclusion?
Just to break it down. Ive read and always understood that the risks from these people will be primarily prevented as far as possible exactly is as they’re already doing - intelligence, investigation and reporting. I hope the continued under funding of the Police and services is halted so more resources can be given to this.
Police with firearms is for the last hole of the Swiss cheese when intelligence fails, not a preventive strategy. It’s to mitigate. You have to have efforts in place at every stage in case one fails. The fact is the security services have warned more attacks will be likely and they have said some will get through, as we have seen. In all the violent terrorist attacks in Europe it was firearms that were required to mitigate the situation.
Regarding current safety, dwelling on past safety levels disregards to the changing landscape of UK homeland security. Surely you have to be forward thinking, not reward looking or indulging in status quo.
I’m surprised Andrew Neil is employed by the BBC. He doesn’t fit their agenda, and refuses to ignore the truths that many beeb journalists do. He’s the only person on the network who I respect
switchlogic:
Fascinating how many people on this thread seem to want to turn our country into a war zone.Not all wars can be won and when the enemy is a huge range of lone operators fighting fire with fire would just lead to more carnage. There is no easy answer here
You seem to be saying that you actually acknowledge that we’ve got a problem in the form of an immigration policy that has brought in a potentially hostile demographic.Which you also now realise probably has an issue of split loyalties in a massive part,if not all,of its ranks ?.
The answer to that in your view is appeasement,put your head in the sand,carry on bringing in even more of it,rather than send it back home where it came from,and hope it will leave you alone and won’t bite you ?.When centuries of history tells you that it probably will.
While at the same time telling them that we are at war with ‘radical’ Islam.While also trusting ‘moderate’ Islam not to be using Taqiyya against us when all the evidence coming out of the mouths of their big bosses and the Sharia regime as it stands,in Saudi and Iran,is that they most certainly are.On that note if you really think that appeasement is the way to fix all this then at least do it properly.By stopping bombing ‘ISIS’ and saying that all further attacks will be dealt with by negotiation and un armed police winning hearts and minds rather than shooting them .
Carryfast:
The real question is why are the Western governments so keen on importing this unstable demographic to the point of potential local takeover,rather than keeping it well away from us in its Middle Eastern heartlands ?.While obviously regarding anyone who disagrees among the indigenous population as the bigger enemy branded as so called ‘far right’ extremists.
IE some weird unfathomable agenda of our own governments within an obvious clear agenda within the Saudi one.
Leaving the even more massive question what’s the Western government’s end game here.
Now you’re talking my language, what is their end game? I’ve no idea, this is beyond my comprehension, maybe ISIS was intended to put the house of Saud out of the picture and like the arming of the Mujahideen it has bitten them on the arse, maybe it’s the next wave of cheap labour? Maybe there’s something other than oil beneath the region, a mineral that will be more valuable than oil in the future? I don’t know the specifics, but I would be willing to bet that somebody is making an absolute fortune out of it.
There has to be more to it than that.We started off with a bunch of mostly backward but often vicious nomads or tribes with an equally vicious religion,luckily armed with nothing more dangerous than swords.When we were effectively a superpower.They’ve got oil which we were happily taking with no problems having done all the work in finding it and shifting it.With no need to give them anything more than a small cut.
Then together with Russia we arm them to the teeth and give them the freedom to come here and live among us if they feel like it.What could possibly go wrong.
switchlogic:
Fascinating how many people on this thread seem to want to turn our country into a war zone. The fact remains that you’re probably safer on the streets of London now than you were in 70s/80s/90s. Not all wars can be won and when the enemy is a huge range of lone operators fighting fire with fire would just lead to more carnage. There is no easy answer here
Really, and if it actually is like you say now, it won’t be for much longer if nothing is done their invading army of foot soldiers are increasing in numbers all the time
