jbaz73:
You’re not by any chance at Swains are you?
Money sounds average for what you’re doing. I’ve never tramped, so have no opinions. If it suits you, good for you, go for it!
Word of warning about containers… BORING!!! Seriously boring, doesn’t suit everyone. You really have too much time on your hands with that job.
I guess sitting in your cab, watch movies, read books, take nap or waiting in a drivers room is better than strapping full loads + sheeting under heavy rain, wind, and snow on winter period for about an hour. now its hot and dry, so work is cleanish…but it wont last long. i would be ok with the amount of other work involved if take home 750+ , and lets say containers where you only open rear doors and wait, pays 600… thats reasonable, more work pays more…
I will be honest with you. You won’t be watching tv and napping in your cab. You will be in a 6x6 concrete cell with 10 other knuckle dragging numbskulls, who if you’re lucky may speak English. They will be ex sas, and you won’t even have cellphone reception to save your sanity. If you’re lucky, you will be out in 9 hours.
Maybe a little ott, but that’s the reality of box work
most places not allow you to stay in your cab or only few ? and what is the average salary on containers as a tramper if you know?
edd1974:
night out pay shouldn’t count as take home pay.
as said take you earn 550 inc nights out -100 take home 450.
as you add up you can easily spend your 100 a week .
spend a day roughly
£5 breakfast
£10 for snacks during day then tea or diner if your a southerner
£5 on misc on a shower paper cleaning products for wagon suplies tea bags etc
it all mounts up
i reckon i spend about 15 a day .
if your home everynight your not spending it as your eating whats at home.
but then your saving on petrol
swings and roundabouts
Andrey1:
4 nights out in 16 plate daf cf super space cab but it has very limited space inside cab and narrow
Awww dear, how tf do you even manage such hardship, just started tramping and only a mere space cab. youtu.be/05sv1UDU9gE
im not talking about any hardship, only giving some facts about that unit…anyway my main question is about wages/salary and if you would like to share yours…welcome… other than please do not waste people’s time
youtu.be/7syJJrsmrts
Sorry mate no intention of sharing my wage info with you,…basically because it’s none of your [zb] business.
no problem. but if one day company replace you with cheaper driver do not moan. wages will never increase unless drivers become union, support each other, at the end of the day drivers make the job done, not office lads… if we stop accepting low pays, companies forced to rise the wages…but seems like this will never happen, so race to bottom
edd1974:
night out pay shouldn’t count as take home pay.
as said take you earn 550 inc nights out -100 take home 450.
as you add up you can easily spend your 100 a week .
spend a day roughly
£5 breakfast
£10 for snacks during day then tea or diner if your a southerner
£5 on misc on a shower paper cleaning products for wagon suplies tea bags etc
it all mounts up
i reckon i spend about 15 a day .
if your home everynight your not spending it as your eating whats at home.
but then your saving on petrol
swings and roundabouts
Is your food at home free?
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If your home everyday, you’ve got to buy your food etc
If your a tramper and out 4 nights, you’ve got to buy your food. If you choose to pay services and truck stop prices rather than take it all with you then that’s your choice.
So as far as I’m concerned I see my take home pay, including night out money, as my take home home pay. I don’t minus my nights out off it first to then see what I’ve earned that week. It’s all money going in the same place.
Yes I might spend a little bit more here and there doing nights out than if I was at home, but no where near £26 a week extra, never mind £26 a night.
Cleaning stuff for truck? If I’m at home I buy cleaning stuff for the house so buying a bit for truck every few weeks is just the same thing.
Andrey1:
no problem. but if one day company replace you with cheaper driver do not moan. wages will never increase unless drivers become union, support each other, at the end of the day drivers make the job done, not office lads… if we stop accepting low pays, companies forced to rise the wages…but seems like this will never happen, so race to bottom
Well thanks for the advice and guidance mate and the benefit of your (3 MONTHS) experience.
I’ll bear it in mind and write it down for future reference.
Pm on way to you…I need to know how to ■■■■ eggs, can you help?
jbaz73:
You’re not by any chance at Swains are you?
Money sounds average for what you’re doing. I’ve never tramped, so have no opinions. If it suits you, good for you, go for it!
Word of warning about containers… BORING!!! Seriously boring, doesn’t suit everyone. You really have too much time on your hands with that job.
I guess sitting in your cab, watch movies, read books, take nap or waiting in a drivers room is better than strapping full loads + sheeting under heavy rain, wind, and snow on winter period for about an hour. now its hot and dry, so work is cleanish…but it wont last long. i would be ok with the amount of other work involved if take home 750+ , and lets say containers where you only open rear doors and wait, pays 600… thats reasonable, more work pays more…
I will be honest with you. You won’t be watching tv and napping in your cab. You will be in a 6x6 concrete cell with 10 other knuckle dragging numbskulls, who if you’re lucky may speak English. They will be ex sas, and you won’t even have cellphone reception to save your sanity. If you’re lucky, you will be out in 9 hours.
Maybe a little ott, but that’s the reality of box work
most places not allow you to stay in your cab or only few ? and what is the average salary on containers as a tramper if you know?
The reality of the h&s ■■■■■■■■ is that most places do not allow you to stay in your cab. A few still do, but take your keys, so invest in a couple of power packs. You will most likely be in a cell though. As for how much a box jockey earns? How long is a piece of string? It varies not only from area to area, but in fact one place can pay 26k, next door 32k. You pick your box and take pot luck.
Andrey1:
no problem. but if one day company replace you with cheaper driver do not moan. wages will never increase unless drivers become union, support each other, at the end of the day drivers make the job done, not office lads… if we stop accepting low pays, companies forced to rise the wages…but seems like this will never happen, so race to bottom
Well thanks for the advice and guidance mate and the benefit of your (3 MONTHS) experience.
I’ll bear it in mind and write it down for future reference.
Pm on way to you…I need to know how to ■■■■ eggs, can you help?
Andrey1:
no problem. but if one day company replace you with cheaper driver do not moan. wages will never increase unless drivers become union, support each other, at the end of the day drivers make the job done, not office lads… if we stop accepting low pays, companies forced to rise the wages…but seems like this will never happen, so race to bottom
Well thanks for the advice and guidance mate and the benefit of your (3 MONTHS) experience.
I’ll bear it in mind and write it down for future reference.
Pm on way to you…I need to know how to ■■■■ eggs, can you help?
Ffs [emoji38] [emoji38] [emoji38]
Are you familiar with the Baghdad/Ballbag adage?
I can see where this is heading…
Robroy, I’m surprised you took the bait.
Andrey1, a poor effort, you’re on the radar now.
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Conversation ends as I won’t continue to reply Robroy. I’m not here to create arguments. And thanks all who shared their advices and thoughts…
People get their knickers in a twist too much about what counts as wages. £50 a week of my take home pay is meal allowance and I consider it wages, why not? You take what you can get in this game. Nobody’s got a gun to my head saying I have to spend £10 a day in the services, I take my lunch with me and spend nothing most days bar the odd Costa. It’s all money in the bank. We have enhanced holiday pay so i’m not short when on holiday, so I don’t get too strung up on it. Demanding that £10 a day is incorporated into my hourly rate would just see my out of pocket because I’d be taxed on it. Nothing wrong with counting night money as wages so long as your boss pays parking on top.
I’d say £550 take home for being away all week is rubbish, you could make that on days putting long hours in. £650 more like it.
Andrey1:
no problem. but if one day company replace you with cheaper driver do not moan. wages will never increase unless drivers become union, support each other, at the end of the day drivers make the job done, not office lads… if we stop accepting low pays, companies forced to rise the wages…but seems like this will never happen, so race to bottom
Well thanks for the advice and guidance mate and the benefit of your (3 MONTHS) experience.
I’ll bear it in mind and write it down for future reference.
Pm on way to you…I need to know how to ■■■■ eggs, can you help?
Ffs [emoji38] [emoji38] [emoji38]
Are you familiar with the Baghdad/Ballbag adage?
I can see where this is heading…
ROBROY, I’M SURPRISED YOU TOOK THE BAIT
Andrey1, a poor effort, you’re on the radar now.
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Yeh ok fair enough, but in (a very weak ) defence I’d been in the pub all day watching the football …a hot day with ‘John Smith’ (he always did get me a bit edgy and ‘‘up for it’’ does John )
So then I log on to Trucknet where some kid is complaining about the ‘‘Lack of space in his Superspace cab’’ ,…AND in his first tramping job! :
( my first 5 nights out were in a TK Bedford ffs. )
Then HE proceeds in a patronising style to give ME the benefit of HIS wisdom about this job … (after him being in the job for about the same amount of time in total over the years that I’ve sat on the hard shoulder with flat tyres ).
I would like to guess I’ve got ■■■■ Trucker’s roadmaps older than him.
However on the other hand…
The best thing about it is though his ‘‘advice’’ was totally correct, and very similar to what I myself say on here from time to time, (and have been banging on about for 30+ years,) so maybe his ideas aint as bad as his cockiness.
So maybe take him off your ‘radar’ after all NM.
edd1974:
night out pay shouldn’t count as take home pay.
as said take you earn 550 inc nights out -100 take home 450.
as you add up you can easily spend your 100 a week .
spend a day roughly
£5 breakfast
£10 for snacks during day then tea or diner if your a southerner
£5 on misc on a shower paper cleaning products for wagon suplies tea bags etc
it all mounts up
i reckon i spend about 15 a day .
if your home everynight your not spending it as your eating whats at home.
but then your saving on petrol
swings and roundabouts
I have this argument with my mate regular,he says he can’t afford to live without nights out but then spends well over 100 pound a week while out,take his 100pounds night out off and he is on well less than me for 60hr day work and he is doing 70+hours and taking home 550 with nights out,he even turned a job down at our place as the money wasn’t good enough
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If night out money (aka ‘Subsistence’ not wage ) had been adjusted and linked to iñflation since I started (8 quid in 1979) it would be in the range of about 50 quid at an estimate, but it hasn’t and it isn’t.
I aint one for sitting vegitating in my cab in some ■■■■ lay by, life is too short for that, so I tend to spend my measly 22 .50 (which is ■■■■ derisory, as was on more 10 yrs ago) on many of my nights out, or if I don’t meal out, the food in my fridge has been bought with it.
If I was on that 50 or so quid I suppose I would look on part of said subsistence as a bonus or part of my wage, 22.50? definitely not.
I always look in disbelief at the naivity and the stupidity, when those guys who boast about their ‘‘good money’’ as it usually consists of a week and a half’s hours and 5 nights out …so NOT ‘‘good money’’, is it.
robroy:
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If night out money (aka ‘Subsistence’ not wage ) had been adjusted and linked to iñflation since I started (8 quid in 1979) it would be in the range of about 50 quid at an estimate, but it hasn’t and it isn’t.
I aint one for sitting vegitating in my cab in some [zb] lay by, life is too short for that, so I tend to spend my measly 22 .50 (which is [zb] derisory, as was on more 10 yrs ago) on many of my nights out, or if I don’t meal out, the food in my fridge has been bought with it.
If I was on that 50 or so quid I suppose I would look on part of said subsistence as a bonus or part of my wage, 22.50? definitely not.
I always look in disbelief at the naivity and the stupidity, when those guys who boast about their ‘‘good money’’ as it usually consists of a week and a half’s hours and 5 nights out …so NOT ‘‘good money’’, is it.
Why are you doing nights out if you don’t benefit from it financially mate?
Agree with everything you are saying btw - if I’m sleeping in a truck I’d be spending £20 on food and coffee to get out of the cab.
Like most jobs getting as much money as possible into the bank is my prime objective. I have only ever worked for money and how it is calculated is not the most important thing to me.
By the way I started in 1972 with a Bedford TK doing trips to Irish Republic and sleeping in the cab or on a ferry.
sammym:
Why are you doing nights out if you don’t benefit from it financially mate?
Agree with everything you are saying btw - if I’m sleeping in a truck I’d be spending £20 on food and coffee to get out of the cab.
Because I’m a tramper mate…part of the job of being a trucker in my book, and I knew this when I took it on all those years ago.
(Granted, not for everybody which is why we get the ‘‘tin box’’/‘‘unpaid security guard’’ ■■■■■■■■ chucked at us by the daymen who actually turn into pumpkins if they don’t get back to …‘‘Me own bed’’. )
That is my whole point, as I said.
In REAL terms night out money is subsistence, expenses,… not your wage, nor to as you say ‘‘to benefit financially’’ .
When I started it was to pay for b&b/digs, …or if you DID want to use it as part wage you kipped across the seats instead, and watched the night out money increase every year.
Then sleepers became the norm and ■■■■ ed up the increases.
As I said if it had continued year to year and linked to inflation it would be around 50 quid or more I reckon by now.
After saying that I aint got a problem sleeping in my ‘‘tin box’’ as it aint a mobile crap hole like some, and has all home comforts.
Would hate to go back to looking for b&b/digs everynight.
Andrey1:
no problem. but if one day company replace you with cheaper driver do not moan. wages will never increase unless drivers become union, support each other, at the end of the day drivers make the job done, not office lads… if we stop accepting low pays, companies forced to rise the wages…but seems like this will never happen, so race to bottom
Well thanks for the advice and guidance mate and the benefit of your (3 MONTHS) experience.
I’ll bear it in mind and write it down for future reference.
Pm on way to you…I need to know how to ■■■■ eggs, can you help?
Ffs [emoji38] [emoji38] [emoji38]
Are you familiar with the Baghdad/Ballbag adage?
I can see where this is heading…
ROBROY, I’M SURPRISED YOU TOOK THE BAIT
Andrey1, a poor effort, you’re on the radar now.
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Yeh ok fair enough, but in (a very weak ) defence I’d been in the pub all day watching the football …a hot day with ‘John Smith’ (he always did get me a bit edgy and ‘‘up for it’’ does John )
So then I log on to Trucknet where some kid is complaining about the ‘‘Lack of space in his Superspace cab’’ ,…AND in his first tramping job! :
( my first 5 nights out were in a TK Bedford ffs. [emoji38] )
Then HE proceeds in a patronising style to give ME the benefit of HIS wisdom about this job … (after him being in the job for about the same amount of time in total over the years that I’ve sat on the hard shoulder with flat tyres ). [emoji38] [emoji38]
I would like to guess I’ve got [zb] Trucker’s roadmaps older than him. [emoji38]
However on the other hand…
The best thing about it is though his ‘‘advice’’ was totally correct, and very similar to what I myself say on here from time to time, (and have been banging on about for 30+ years,) so maybe his ideas aint as bad as his cockiness.
So maybe take him off your ‘radar’ after all NM.
The radar is all encompassing Robroy, a thread such as this has all the ingredients to go sideways pretty quickly, far better to be proactive about it than sort it out once the silly stuff starts.
There are still mugs around who think 5-6 day shifts doing tramping is a decent job■■?
Why can’t we see more 3x15 hours, or 4x12 hour shifts per week… 2 or 3 nights out - and that’s it.
What’s the point of doing a “short shift” hundreds of miles from home, only to be sitting around unpaid in some layby (if you can find one…) during your off-duty hours?
Surely it would be better to cram an entire working week into as few shifts as possible, as I’ve depicted above?
Well thanks for the advice and guidance mate and the benefit of your (3 MONTHS) experience. 
) defence I’d been in the pub all day watching the football …a hot day with ‘John Smith’ 
