In need of advice from TNet members.Received these two notice’s of intended prosecution,I got the 1st through the post on the 12/12/13 and the 2nd on the 20/12/13, both has you can see in Worcester on the 10/12/13 on different roads but if you look at the times they were both at 13:51 and speeds were 36mph & 35mph how can this be? give us a clue lads please or am I missing something ? plus I had just delivered to the new Premier Inn at 13.30 (got my del note signed) then spent aprox 15mins having a coffee then left for the journey home.
You did well to get clocked twice at the same time by two different camera’s! 
You don’t have anything to worry about really do you? I mean,two tickets stamped at the same time by two different camera’s placed on the opposite side of the park to each other and on top of that a tacho printout showing (hopefully ) that you wasn’t moving?
Failing all that I’d be asking for the photo’s.
Quite possible there.
Tybridge road turns into New Road on the one way system or New Road turns into Tybridge road depending which one you get to first. Its perfectly possible to hit both cameras within a minute doing 35MPH as they’re literally 600 yards apart.
Looks like you’re stuffed.
ShropsBri:
You did well to get clocked twice at the same time by two different camera’s!You don’t have anything to worry about really do you? I mean,two tickets stamped at the same time by two different camera’s placed on the opposite side of the park to each other and on top of that a tacho printout showing (hopefully ) that you wasn’t moving?
Failing all that I’d be asking for the photo’s.
Trouble is the timings actually match as he had his notes signed 13.30 which isn’t guaranteed accurate, then had 15 minutes having a cuppa and then left which would place him on New Road about that time.
I thought the ACPO guideline was 10% + 2 mph over the prescribed speed limit. The first notice states 36 mph, whilst the second states 35 mph. 
Conor:
ShropsBri:
You did well to get clocked twice at the same time by two different camera’s!You don’t have anything to worry about really do you? I mean,two tickets stamped at the same time by two different camera’s placed on the opposite side of the park to each other and on top of that a tacho printout showing (hopefully ) that you wasn’t moving?
Failing all that I’d be asking for the photo’s.
Trouble is the timings actually match as he had his notes signed 13.30 which isn’t guaranteed accurate, then had 15 minutes having a cuppa and then left which would place him on New Road about that time.
Hmmmm you may be right about the stuffing,hope not as getting hit for six would be a kick in the balls.
mds141:
I thought the ACPO guideline was 10% + 2 mph over the prescribed speed limit. The first notice states 36 mph, whilst the second states 35 mph.
Note the word “guideline” and the ACPO is an association of chief police officers and not law makers. 36 MPH is over this guideline as technically is 35 because it won’t be 35 dead but 35 and a little bit. Its all moot anyway because the limit is 30 so you can be prosecuted for anything over that.
I’d definitely be querying the times with them… but, as these are s172 requests, you NEED to answer them within 28 days naming the driver (failure to do so is 6pts for each offence, nasty fine, nasty insurance implications for ~5 years)… the 35mph will probably be NFA, and 3pts, £100 fine for the other. If they DO decide to prosecute both, one of them should be eligible for a SAC - assuming you haven’t done one within the last 3 years.
You can ask for photos, don’t mention the word “evidence”, you want the photso “to aid in possible identification of the driver”. Also, you know you left your previous drop ~6 minutes earlier. Can/do you have access to the tacho trace… my understanding is that it’s a calibrated device, so may be able to show you weren’t speeding around that time.
At the moment, all they are doing is looking for the ID of the driver, once that is provided you’ll see what they are ‘offering’. I’d bet on 1x3pts/£100, and 1xSAC (costs ~£85 IIRC).
Also, I suggest posting these (redacted versions of these !!) on Pepipoo forum, the regulars there are VERY knowledgeable people.
HTH.
mds141:
I thought the ACPO guideline was 10% + 2 mph over the prescribed speed limit. The first notice states 36 mph, whilst the second states 35 mph.
My mates wife got done for doing 32 in a 30
How about…Slow down? 
mac12:
mds141:
I thought the ACPO guideline was 10% + 2 mph over the prescribed speed limit. The first notice states 36 mph, whilst the second states 35 mph.My mates wife got done for doing 32 in a 30
But what was her real speed, 37mph maybe ?
This wont help you…DONT SPEED 
tachograph:
mac12:
mds141:
I thought the ACPO guideline was 10% + 2 mph over the prescribed speed limit. The first notice states 36 mph, whilst the second states 35 mph.My mates wife got done for doing 32 in a 30
But what was her real speed, 37mph maybe ?
Could of been, but that would put the posters speed at 43 in a 30 and that’s to high
I’d go to court with it. They’ve given you your defence of being in two places at the same time doing two different speeds.
You could write to them and explain that they should drop the charges as they don’t stand a chance of getting a conviction. Keep the origionals.
Going off at a tangent as usual:
When I was in a workshop regularly, these speed camera notices used to bother me. Having been driven around by various other fitters or drivers at just subsonic speeds, it occurred to me that anyone used to just jump in the workshop van and go; there was no record of who went where and at what time. It was also a reasonably regular occurrence to find someone waiting to use the van as soon as you got back. So, if many days later a speeding notice appeared, this was going to result not only in arguments, but probably the least forceful possible culprit being voted by the rest as the guilty party. I started keeping a diary of times and reg nos.
I could be wrong, but 2 speeding offences only count as one if commited at the same time… ie… passing 2 cameras on the same stretch of road within a limited time period and on a single journey. (hope this makes sense)
Might be a load of rubbish, but check it out. 
Edit…Just found this link (below), Looks like you might get away with just one speeding ticket…hope it helps…
forums.pepipoo.com/lofiversion/i … 59434.html
In accordance with section 28 of the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988, subsection 4:
"Where a person is convicted of two or more offences committed on the same occasion and involving obligatory endorsement, the total number of penalty points to be attributed to them is the number or highest number that would be attributed on a conviction of one of them.
By asking for photos is the same as agreeing to go to court.
I thought the picture had to show a clear image of the driver ■■
and then they said that the camera could Not be taken at the front due to distraction of the driver ■■?
2 different rules there.
get them to produce the evidence as said as its been known to send a NOP and it turned out the car the pic of was different to what it should have been , the Gent concerned was on a ferry heading back to the UK with said car at the time of the offence
Dan Punchard:
By asking for photos is the same as agreeing to go to court.
No it isn’t. When I was caught a few years ago in my car, the first I knew of it was when I got the letter. I therefore asked for the photos, which were provided with no questions asked. Unfortunately when I got them, it was definitely me! The outcome however, did not change, I was still offered the speed awareness course.
alphonsohall:
I could be wrong, but 2 speeding offences only count as one if commited at the same time… ie… passing 2 cameras on the same stretch of road within a limited time period and on a single journey. (hope this makes sense)Might be a load of rubbish, but check it out.
Edit…Just found this link (below), Looks like you might get away with just one speeding ticket…hope it helps…
forums.pepipoo.com/lofiversion/i … 59434.htmlIn accordance with section 28 of the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988, subsection 4:
"Where a person is convicted of two or more offences committed on the same occasion and involving obligatory endorsement, the total number of penalty points to be attributed to them is the number or highest number that would be attributed on a conviction of one of them.
Hit the nail on the head. Only 1 offence.
What is the stage at the minute? Is the NIP addressed to you or your company. Of it is the latter, THEY MUST name you,once you get the COFP/Speed awareness course offer, call them up and they will cancel one. The START of enforcement is 10% +2mph so 35 is the lowest speed they will do you for.