On a new run and trying to figure out best way of complying with regs and minimising breaks (don’t get paid breaks and I get bored easily).
Run is
1hr 40m - base to customer
1hr+ sitting waiting for loading to complete
3hrs 11m to rig swap
1hr 40 back to base
thought I had it sorted doing a 15mins at customer and 30 on the next leg, which was fine in the Axors, then they started giving me new Actroses and the tacho started moaning. One of the other drivers said something about another 15min break would let me complete the next 4.5hrs something about a 6hr rule. I didn’t think the WTD came into it due to the 15 and 30 I’d already taken.
at the moment I do the run like this
1hr 40m - base to customer
1hr+ sitting waiting for loading to complete. 15m break
3hrs 10m to rig swap. 30min break 2hrs in (3hrs 40 driving time with 2hrs 50 left)
1hr 40 back to base
total drive time 6hrs 30
total shift 9-9.5hrs
There is obviously something I’m missing
chicane:
On a new run and trying to figure out best way of complying with regs and minimising breaks (don’t get paid breaks and I get bored easily).
Run is
1hr 40m - base to customer
1hr+ sitting waiting for loading to complete
3hrs 11m to rig swap
1hr 40 back to base
thought I had it sorted doing a 15mins at customer and 30 on the next leg, which was fine in the Axors, then they started giving me new Actroses and the tacho started moaning. One of the other drivers said something about another 15min break would let me complete the next 4.5hrs something about a 6hr rule. I didn’t think the WTD came into it due to the 15 and 30 I’d already taken.
at the moment I do the run like this
1hr 40m - base to customer
1hr+ sitting waiting for loading to complete. 15m break
3hrs 10m to rig swap. 30min break 2hrs in (3hrs 40 driving time with 2hrs 50 left)
1hr 40 back to base
total drive time 6hrs 30
total shift 9-9.5hrs
There is obviously something I’m missing
I can’t see anything wrong with what you’re doing.
When you say “the tacho started moaning” what do you mean, what message was if flashing ?
starts warning that I’ve got about 20mins left with 24mins left to base.
First time I took a stop, second time I was past anywhere I could stop so just took her home and did a print out. I’d thought maybe I’d been too quick heading off my breaks but printout showed I’d had 26 on my 15, 34 on my 30 so it isn’t that. Not an issue with the Axors, just the Actroses I’ve had so far. Its a completely new run so still ironing out the wrinkles so may be moved to a later start time next week can’t see any point hanging around the customers yard for over an hour when there’s no benefit in taking any more than a 15
Maybe the new tachos in the Actros counts the end of the 15 as the beginning of the next 4.5hrs drive time instead of the end of the 30.
It would be interesting to see a scan of the printout.
The only reason I can think of for the driving time warning would be if, with a new type tachograph, you left the tachograph on other work or POA when you take the card out and not doing manual entries when you insert the driver card, this could result in the tachograph resuming the previous shift when you insert the driver card.
I agree with tachograph. It sounds like when you’re inserting your card, its not recognising your daily rest and resuming your driving hours from the second part of yesterdays shift.
This would also show a Infringement for insufficient daily rest.
tachograph:
It would be interesting to see a scan of the printout.
The only reason I can think of for the driving time warning would be if, with a new type tachograph, you left the tachograph on other work or POA when you take the card out and not doing manual entries when you insert the driver card, this could result in the tachograph resuming the previous shift when you insert the driver card.
That’s what I was thinking, had that when I went into a new truck new tacho.
I now always set the tacho to rest before removing the card.
Before putting card in on next shift I set tacho to rest then insert and do man entries not had a problem since.
Hi, here’s a printout of his shift from a couple of days ago. I think the asterisks are times he’s questioning, but he’s away to work so he’ll explain more tonight.
nick2008:
at 1500 hes putting it on POA for 59 min this is fooling the tacho its break … ignore what the head is saying your in the clear
This ^^^
Although POA is not break it does wrongly reset the driving time on the tachograph.
45 minutes of POA will reset the driving time on the tachograph, even if you had 30 minutes of POA it would calculate it with the 15 minutes break you’ve had and again wrongly reset the driving time.
So they can keep their hours up if they are hourly paid i suppose.
And it stops the robbing gits their working for, from deducting money for excessive breaks!!
It’s some sad state of affairs when a driver doesn’t know how to get a :45 in on a 6:30 daily drive!
How about…
Drive to customer and take 45 minutes break, drive round the block then take 15 minutes break while you are still waiting for your load, drive to changeover take 30 minutes break and then you are homeward bound.
Does that work for you?
Its always niggled me not get paying statutory breaks, its a (necessary) legal requirement not a choice.
Anyway been told I’ll only the first 45 will be unpaid so doing one at the customer and one at the changeover. Makes much more sense as the loaded trailer gets to the changeover 30mins quicker and the overall run isn’t noticeably longer. Reckon some companies are cutting their own throats not paying statutory breaks. Had 2 Axors today so no issues anyway.
Was pretty sure I was right but had been wondering if maybe there was recent changes legislation I hadn’t heard about. Joys of being an agency mushroom
