I pointed out that the loaded trailer would get to the changeover 30mins earlier if I took 2 breaks but was I wasn’t going to take a second unpaid 45.
Still not sure what was happening with the Actros tachos but have worked out how to get into the menu page where it shows what they think is happening. Axor has the same but its a bit of a faff
chicane:
Still not sure what was happening with the Actros tachos but have worked out how to get into the menu page where it shows what they think is happening. Axor has the same but its a bit of a faff
It has nothing to do with the model of vehicle or the tachograph menu.
It’s the fact that you’re booking POA which is wrongly resetting the driving time on the tachograph, it happens on all digital tachographs so there’s nothing in the menu you can change to rectify it.
All digital tachographs wrongly count POA as break, so when you book an hour POA the driving time in the tachograph is wrongly reset.
It’s the crap way the digital tachographs have been programmed that’s at fault and there’s nothing you can do about it.
Do the same run in a different model of truck, use the same tachograph modes and you will have the same problem, doesn’t matter if it’s a Merc, Volvo whatever, doesn’t matter if it’s a Siemens tachograph or a Stoneridge the problem with POA wrongly being counted as break will still be there.
In other words tachos aren’t fit for purpose. I find that quite incredible in a key piece of kit used in enforcing legislation 
anyway issue resolved, looks like I’m on this run for a while.
chicane:
In other words tachos aren’t fit for purpose. I find that quite incredible in a key piece of kit used in enforcing legislationanyway issue resolved, looks like I’m on this run for a while.
Allegedly, it’s not the tacho that’s not fit for purpose, it’s the UK interpretation of the rules, as aparently POA is ok to clear a driving period in some other European countries!
If there gonna deduct for excessive breaks, use other work instead of POA to keep your hours right, it’s not as if your gonna be hitting 48 hours a week.
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chicane:
In other words tachos aren’t fit for purpose. I find that quite incredible in a key piece of kit used in enforcing legislation
anyway issue resolved, looks like I’m on this run for a while.Allegedly, it’s not the tacho that’s not fit for purpose, it’s the UK interpretation of the rules, as aparently POA is ok to clear a driving period in some other European countries!
I’ve heard this before, I’ve also heard from people who have done a lot of work in mainland Europe that it’s nonsense that some countries use POA as break.
I don’t know the answer to that, but the regulations are very clear about what break and POA is and very clear about what mode the tachograph should be on for break.
The digital tachograph has never been fit for purpose, you only have to look at the way type 1 digital tachographs calculate breaks in 15 minute segments to see how unfit for purpose it is.
Digital tachographs were introduced at a time when everyone knew how the regulations were changing but before all the changes were made,it’s always been my suspicion that the digital tachograph was brought in when it was so that large companies like Siemens and Stoneridge could start making money from their design/development investment as soon as possible.
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chicane:
In other words tachos aren’t fit for purpose. I find that quite incredible in a key piece of kit used in enforcing legislation
anyway issue resolved, looks like I’m on this run for a while.Allegedly, it’s not the tacho that’s not fit for purpose, it’s the UK interpretation of the rules, as aparently POA is ok to clear a driving period in some other European countries!
I’ve heard this before, I’ve also heard from people who have done a lot of work in mainland Europe that it’s nonsense that some countries use POA as break.
I don’t know the answer to that, but the regulations are very clear about what break and POA is and very clear about what mode the tachograph should be on for break.The digital tachograph has never been fit for purpose, you only have to look at the way type 1 digital tachographs calculate breaks in 15 minute segments to see how unfit for purpose it is.
Digital tachographs were introduced at a time when everyone knew how the regulations were changing but before all the changes were made,it’s always been my suspicion that the digital tachograph was brought in when it was so that large companies like Siemens and Stoneridge could start making money from their design/development investment as soon as possible.
its due to the 2nd man slot that stuffs it up (dub man mode ) it the head should never have been made to accept 2 cards they should have been 2 hard drives fitted like most computers have .
Thanks Tacho at least I now understand what’s going on, I don’t think the 1hr POA resetting the driving hours is widely known, certainly no-one in the depot or the agency could figure WTF was going on so I’ll pass the info on.
You’d have thought they’d have sorted the things by now, can’t be that hard or expensive to rewrite the algorithm or whatever. Or would that leave them open to being sued.
chicane:
Thanks Tacho at least I now understand what’s going on, I don’t think the 1hr POA resetting the driving hours is widely known, certainly no-one in the depot or the agency could figure WTF was going on so I’ll pass the info on.You’d have thought they’d have sorted the things by now, can’t be that hard or expensive to rewrite the algorithm or whatever. Or would that leave them open to being sued.
It’s not just 45 minutes of POA that resets the driving time, I’m not sure about the new type 2 digital tachographs, but on the older type 1 digital tachographs three lots of 15 minutes of POA would reset the driving time, or any combination of POA or break in 15 minute segments
The subject gets mentioned on these forums from time to time because of the number of people who have been caught out by it.
To be fair it’s not the manufacturers fault, I believe the digital tachograph may have been rushed in for monetary purposes but it’s the EU who dictate the specifications so it’s the EU Muppets who are ultimately responsible.
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It’s not just 45 minutes of POA that resets the driving time, I’m not sure about the new type 2 digital tachographs, but on the older type 1 digital tachographs three lots of 15 minutes of POA would reset the driving time, or any combination of POA or break in 15 minute segments.
Na I tried it only records the higher break 
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It’s not just 45 minutes of POA that resets the driving time, I’m not sure about the new type 2 digital tachographs, but on the older type 1 digital tachographs three lots of 15 minutes of POA would reset the driving time, or any combination of POA or break in 15 minute segmentsNa I tried it only records the higher break
Type 2 don’t record 15 minutes of POA as break now ?
chicane:
starts warning that I’ve got about 20mins left with 24mins left to base.First time I took a stop, second time I was past anywhere I could stop so just took her home and did a print out. I’d thought maybe I’d been too quick heading off my breaks but printout showed I’d had 26 on my 15, 34 on my 30 so it isn’t that. Not an issue with the Axors, just the Actroses I’ve had so far. Its a completely new run so still ironing out the wrinkles so may be moved to a later start time next week can’t see any point hanging around the customers yard for over an hour when there’s no benefit in taking any more than a 15
Maybe the new tachos in the Actros counts the end of the 15 as the beginning of the next 4.5hrs drive time instead of the end of the 30.
I’ve not read the rest of the answers, but I think it’s because you’re recording a 15 min break at the customer where you are loading and then the rest as POA? Which is resetting the driving time (although on analysis it won’t have), so then your other 30 min break is just showing as a 30 min break, even though it’s the 2nd part of your 45.
As long as you KNOW that’s what you’re doing, you can ignore the tacho warning safely, as on tacho download you’ll be fine. If you change mode between POA and Other work at 14 mins POA then that will keep the tacho in order.
The tacho will also reset driving time if 3 x 15 min breaks, 3 x 15 mins POA, etc all of which wouldn’t count on analysis.
Hope that helps
Remember if you are ever caught out or unsure - just do a print out. That will show you what’s what. Just because the display shows your clock has reset, it has still recorded you haven’t been on break - the printout will show what VOSA will see basically.
Yeah that’s what I reckoned, sticking to what I know is legal.
What I’m sure happened is the POA at customer reset the tacho, when I’d actually done a 15, therefore down the road the tacho counted my 30 as a 15 which by it’s reckoning meant I required a 30 to do before getting back to base.