Winseer:
On reaching this point of being asked to “run it to the wire”, I usually contact the office to ask them the name of the person who’s going to come out and pick me up in the anticipated layby I’ll be in somewhere along the return route…
How could they legally pick you up if you have no more duty hours left ?
Phantom Mark:
if you are fully paid no problem.
Yes minimum wage…anyway I can see this is like banging your head against a tree here, over and out.
I took 11hrs and 50m rest, my 11hrs rest and 25m each way for travelling to and from work, by the letter of the rules afaik.
incorrect 
Travelling to and from work cannot be counted towards your daily rest, so correct.
Phantom Mark:
Travelling to and from work cannot be counted towards your daily rest, so correct.
commuting from home to work and back can be counted as rest
the pitfalls of day rate…nice when youre only doing 10s,not nice when youre doing 15s.
Phantom Mark:
As the rules are nice and crystal clear on such things.Are you within your rights to refuse a run which is planned to be longer than 13hrs, the good old drivers room fable of planners not being able plan more than 13hrs and 13+ is only for unforeseen circumstances true or false ?
As a driver do you have any rights on such matters at all (assuming you have 15’s available)
Let’s try and put to bed another fable once and for all eh
You are within your rights to refuse to work more than 13 hours .
Your employer is also within his rights to stop finding you work and tell you that he has no more need of your service .
The real question is are you prepared to do a night out. If you know there is a chance of having to night out do you come prepared for it . There are many long lists on here about the amount of gear you need for a night out but a few basics items will get you through .
Sleeping bag / duvet and sheet
washbag
bottle of water
wet wipes
something to eat .
I’m not saying it will be a luxury night out but you will get through it and live to tell the tale and will still look presentable the next day .
Why will you not do a night out ?
Phantom Mark:
Travelling to and from work cannot be counted towards your daily rest, so correct.
you sure about that?
your daily rest starts when your shift finishes and ends when your shift restarts
do you get paid to travel to and from work?
and finally, can you please provide a link to show that the commute cannot count as daily rest?
i won’t hold my breath waiting for the last request 
Phantom Mark:
Did it ever occur to you that jobs are not exactly growing on trees Dave ? Wtf is wrong with some people, is it such a crime to ask where you stand within the guidelines set out to try and stop yourself from being exploited? Besides which I actually quite like working where I am, hours issue put to one side.
cant work out if its realy an hours issue or a money issue ,and do u get a reduced daily rate if he sends you home early, if not swings and roudabouts comes to mind
shuttlespanker:
yes, you are perfectly within your rights to refuse to do the jobyou are also perfectly within your rights to go look for another job that will suit your whiney little ■■■ better than the job you are currently doing
there is no law or EU ruling within the drivers hours regs that says a planner can’t give you a route that will take you more than 13 hours
+1
Phantom Mark:
Travelling to and from work cannot be counted towards your daily rest, so correct.
Only if travelling to take charge of a vehicle that falls in scope of the regs and is not located at the employees home or at the usual operating centre the employee is based at. Unless of course you have access to a bunk or couchette [WINKING FACE]
