As the rules are nice and crystal clear on such things.
Are you within your rights to refuse a run which is planned to be longer than 13hrs, the good old drivers room fable of planners not being able plan more than 13hrs and 13+ is only for unforeseen circumstances true or false ?
As a driver do you have any rights on such matters at all (assuming you have 15’s available)
Let’s try and put to bed another fable once and for all eh 
Phantom Mark:
As the rules are nice and crystal clear on such things.Are you within your rights to refuse a run which is planned to be longer than 13hrs, the good old drivers room fable of planners not being able plan more than 13hrs and 13+ is only for unforeseen circumstances true or false ?
As a driver do you have any rights on such matters at all (assuming you have 15’s available)
Let’s try and put to bed another fable once and for all eh
EU drivers regs state; daily rest MAY be reduced three times in-between weekly rest periods! 
THE CHOICE IS YOURS! 
A lorry driver is within his rights to refuse to do anything. You could refuse to work more than a few hours in a day if you felt too tired to drive for example.
Whilst you have the right to refuse it, if you can legally do it you would be expected to if it were safe to and it would be a breach of your contract in most firms not to.
Planners can legally plan as much as they want as long as the job they give you doesn’t put undue stress on the driver - i.e a delivery slot in 2hrs time for a run that normally takes 2hrs.
In a nutshell - NO
Unless there is some other factor making it unsafe.
Fatboy slimslow:
Phantom Mark:
As the rules are nice and crystal clear on such things.Are you within your rights to refuse a run which is planned to be longer than 13hrs, the good old drivers room fable of planners not being able plan more than 13hrs and 13+ is only for unforeseen circumstances true or false ?
As a driver do you have any rights on such matters at all (assuming you have 15’s available)
Let’s try and put to bed another fable once and for all eh
EU drivers regs state; daily rest MAY be reduced three times in-between weekly rest periods!
Only if you’re the boss. Otherwise its quite proper any employer can ask you/tell you to do upto and including the legal maximum. When you work for yourself its your call…
Plambert:
Fatboy slimslow:
Phantom Mark:
EU drivers regs state; daily rest MAY be reduced three times in-between weekly rest periods!
Only if you’re the boss. Otherwise its quite proper any employer can ask you/tell you to do upto and including the legal maximum. When you work for yourself its your call…
but the rules don’t state only if you’re the boss! NO DRIVER HAS TO REDUCE as he is the BOSS! THE CHOICE IS YOURS! 
Am i in a different world?
I’ve always thought that drivers did the job until it was done. 
You can if you don’t have a reduced daily rest available. But otherwise you have no basis for refusing, UNLESS you are extremely fatigued and doing the run would be unsafe. In which case I would thank you for thinking of the children and give you the day off to recuperate.
You could refuse in and out by making up some good excuse but your boss won’t put up with it if it was happening on a regular basis now would he, if you’re salaried like me then try and get a shorter day the day after that’s what we often get.
yes, you are perfectly within your rights to refuse to do the job
you are also perfectly within your rights to go look for another job that will suit your whiney little ■■■ better than the job you are currently doing
there is no law or EU ruling within the drivers hours regs that says a planner can’t give you a route that will take you more than 13 hours
limeyphil:
Am i in a different world?
I’ve always thought that drivers did the job until it was done.
No, not in a different world but think you have the elusive work ethic, which is missing from most drivers out there…
I get the job done and then worry about rest. (As long as it’s legal!)
so ur planned a 13 hour shift, simple just drag your heels at a slot if your that fussy and do not wish to do it … if your a tramper what is the harm? your in teh truck 24hrs a day whilst away .
P*ssy drivers over here in Aussie you only need 7 hours rest!! and drive 12hours on basic 13 on standard and 14 on advance fatigue management!!!
Slimeyphil would love that
Usual load of bollox answers. The long and the short of it is check your contract of employment.
THERE IS NEVER GOING TO BE A DEFINITIVE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION
Too many factors invovlved
DrivingMissDaisy:
Usual load of bollox answers. The long and the short of it is check your contract of employment.
NOT WORTH THE PAPER IT’S WRITTEN ON! MAY reduce gives it away!
Fatboy slimslow:
DrivingMissDaisy:
Usual load of bollox answers. The long and the short of it is check your contract of employment.NOT WORTH THE PAPER IT’S WRITTEN ON!
Correction Fatty! All that does is leave it open to interpretation! He says, she says! And we all know that’s how these threads start…
If you end up doing a 13 hour day, why not try turning up an hour later for work and explain you didn’t want to reduce your daily rest, fall asleep at the wheel and kill someone.
why on why would anyone want to do more than 13 hours
planning 13 plus days is crazy not safe and just daft.
but as already been said its legal if you have the hours
its up to the work force to get it into the contract to say it
wont to be done leaving the long days for unforseen circumstances
Argos MP have a 12 hour limit with 11 off
no if buts or maybes full time or agency
DrivingMissDaisy:
Fatboy slimslow:
DrivingMissDaisy:
Usual load of bollox answers. The long and the short of it is check your contract of employment.NOT WORTH THE PAPER IT’S WRITTEN ON!
Correction Fatty! All that does is leave it open to interpretation! He says, she says! And we all know that’s how these threads start…
Thanks for the compliment! 
THE driver will only do what HE/ SHE wants to do!