ETS:
A person can be a carrier but show no symptoms for a long time if ever - you can’t test the entire population. Then the fact that people who’ve ‘been through it’ catch it again (meaning the body may not be able to deal with this virus so once you get it you’re f*cked for life + a spreader).
^ This is the question.The body doesn’t/can’t defeat it.It just goes into remission while also remaining infectious.The establishment is lying and being deliberately misleading when it uses the word ‘recovery’ in that scenario.
Which leaves the question how often in the natural world do such viruses cross the species barriers.Or contain that type of power to evade the natural immune response.
Assuming that it has jumped from bats etc to humans why is it that it seems to have no propensity to want to jump from humans to other mammals etc etc.
jakethesnake:
Let’s be clear about one thing. Corona virus is not the flu and acts in many different ways.
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unless your a pedantic nitpicking panic merchant fanny then corona and the flu are basically the same thing,
they spread the same way,they infect you the same way,and the symptoms are mostly the same with the proviso theres antidotes for some forms of flu (but not all) and no antidote as yet for corona.
the only way itl affect you other than having the flu is if your poorly anyway.
the only intrusion into your life will be the knock on effect from the panicking faceache ■■■■■■ types on mumsnet panic buying along with everyone else kicking the ■■■ out of sick leave.
but,as robroy says…were all doomed. hopkinsmedicine.org/health/ … vs-the-flu
The main reason for ALL major epidemics and pandemics - are “Stupid risks taken over the wrong things” and “A desire to make/save money by doing something irresponsible”.
It doesn’t matter who “Patient One” is - What matters is that nothing was done to prevent people spreading the disease from anywhere TO anywhere.
Now we are at the mercy of any “mutation” which may or may not occur.
As I said earlier “It isn’t patient one or patient two that is the problem - it is the people who went out of their way to shake hands with patients one and two”.
We should be avoiding people from China and Italy in particular at this time.
Because many illegal immigrants come in via Italy as well - we should put all illegals being brought ashore by coast guard vessels - into a holding area that is a full quarentine and SHOOT them if they then break out, and risk spreading ANY disease as a supercarrier. (If they were not a supercarrier - then they would have perished on the journey, and if they hadn’t decided to run from a country with the virus to one paying out benefits no-questions-asked - they wouldn’t be making such a journey neither!)
What do we get though?
“Get Brexit Done” - and our borders are still wide open!
So… We are at the mercy of the mutation. THAT worries me.
“Keeping away from Patients Zero and One” is easy, as I don’t even know anyone who has been to China recently, and there’s only my Vet who’s been to Italy, so fingers crossed I won’t need to go there anytime soon.
“Sensible Precautions” - that is all.
That there is the obvious golden opporutunity to sell Isolationalsim to the Remainers at this time - is being passed by, rather recklessly, I reckon.
Winseer:
Since when have Hospitals been able to cure colds and flu anyways?
You do know that ‘if’ you get serious viral pneumonia from a cold or flu the chances are that you’ll end up in intensive care or at least stand a good chance of snuffing it without anti virals and the body fighting it off with their help.
The difference in this case being that there will eventually be far more cases than intensive care beds at current infection rates.
This seems to turn to pneumonia as the rule not the exception.
The common known anti virals don’t work on it.Not surprising because we don’t generally see viruses jump species.Or if its a bioweapon it’s been designed to not be easily treatable.
It also seems that you possibly don’t ever ‘recover’ from it you keep the virus for life and remain infectious and it can come back and kill you later whenever it feels like it.
No problem for you because you think you’re invincible because you don’t claim any benefits.
Or it could just be nothing and we’ll soon see infection rates drop.In which case why are they still rising.
toonsy:
Yeah maybe the NHS wouldn’t be under such stress had it not been for 10+ years on governmental budget cuts.
Mind you they should be getting £350m a week extra now shouldn’t they? The bus said so…
…so are the government lying when they talk of 20billion extra then?
This government have a record of lying.
I am guessing when at the end of the year we are still in the EU the penny will drop for all the Boris Johnson fanboys on here.
Didn’t the £350 million a week on the side of the bus, that they days after said was a lie, set any alarm bells ringing?
It was only a lie in that it was a guesstimate. Today’s budget even gave a mention of the money we’ll pocket towards these vast spending plans - once we stop paying it as early as july rather than December 31st… Here’s hoping on THAT at least.
If I wrote on the side of a bus that “Darkside earns £500 per week” - you could easily say it was a complete LIE on my part, even if you actually get paid £499.99…
I wouldn’t actually want anyone to accurately guess what I’m about, and be 100% spot-on - and I don’t imagine you would be neither.
Thus, it is easier just to laugh every “guess” off as a lie - isn’t it?
In the end, the only lies that matter to us - are the ones that detriment our lives directly,not because some other liar tells you they will.
We’ve yet to know the exact amount leaving the EU will cost or gain us, so “nothing is a lie” until the final result is in.
One horse returns 100% of the SP, the others return 0% of any SP.
Our government look like they have lied to us about delivering Brexit for anything meaningful as a “gain” - for example, “saving our lives in time from a pandemic”.
This means either the “Pandemic” is totally made-up, which I’ve already suggested, or our government have re-joined the “Establishment” in routinely acting against the public interest “first chance they got” in not hurrying up to pull up the drawbridge in time for what might yet to be a “second black death” - that is even coming from the same direction of Italian Ports!!
toonsy:
Yeah maybe the NHS wouldn’t be under such stress had it not been for 10+ years on governmental budget cuts.
Mind you they should be getting £350m a week extra now shouldn’t they? The bus said so…
…so are the government lying when they talk of 20billion extra then?
Well its not like the current government have form for lying or anything… its just that once upon a time if caught it was a big no no and ended careers, nowadays it’s fine because they all do it, right?
As for the rest of your post I’ve deleted it, its waffle, I just want the NHS to get their extra £350m a week as quoted on the side of the bus…
The NHS are already getting that - in the form of the £20billion already pledged by Hammond when he was chancellor. More money has been added since, and another load in this budget.
Trouble is, the NHS is a money pit which NO amount of money - will ever satisfy those who just want to use it as a political football.
In the end, - ALL of us are going to die at some point, and most of us are going to die in hospitals.
No one is talking about “More money for Hospices” or “Money for a dignified natural death” or even “grants to fly to Switzerland” if you’re that way inclined…
Perhaps a better thing to throw money at - would be “Free funerals for all” rather than these 6-10grand affairs that either pollute the ground or pollute the air…
…I’m suprised the Greens are not arguing for “Free funerals - if opting for a green burial with all organs up for transplant use”…?
I remember the Corona Virus of the 80’s
A very nice driver used to deliver 3 bottles every Friday
Orange, Dandelion and Burdock, Lemonade
I’m still here so see no problem!!
I remember fishing around for discarded corona bottles at tips, cleaning them up under a stand pipe, and even trading a single one in for a deposit return of 4p - meant a bag of 16 assorted mojos, blackjacks, and fruit salads… I think the deposit went up to 10p in the late 70’s…
Wuhan, Hubei Province is the Porton Down of China, has been since 2015.
I spoke with a BBC journalist a few weeks back and he told me this before it was common knowledge in the UK at least.
We discussed a few things and decided that it was all a little too perfect, as regards the actual virus, the timing and the effect and the Global timing regarding economics.
The control of the people of China is simply amazing, however as they have been able to stop the virus, then expect similar controls to be ushered in for our own interests, it is far easier to extract your money if the state have more controls…This is the only aspect of the virus that causes me concern and it did cause my journalist friend some concern when I mentioned it, that was before the Chinese response was actually successful.
You can be sure that whatever comes from this Global situation, it won`t be good for us…Probably in ways we have never even imagined.
When it comes back and it shall, because it does not kill all hosts, it is selective…Then we will have a real change to our social conditions at every level.
Think about how we live and what has happened in the last 30 years and how we are so much more controlled now, then use your imagination in order to extract the maximum amount of money that you can from every human in your country, then use that money for more control measures and so on…
Tude:
Wuhan, Hubei Province is the Porton Down of China, has been since 2015.
I spoke with a BBC journalist a few weeks back and he told me this before it was common knowledge in the UK at least.
We discussed a few things and decided that it was all a little too perfect, as regards the actual virus, the timing and the effect and the Global timing regarding economics.
The control of the people of China is simply amazing, however as they have been able to stop the virus, then expect similar controls to be ushered in for our own interests, it is far easier to extract your money if the state have more controls…This is the only aspect of the virus that causes me concern and it did cause my journalist friend some concern when I mentioned it, that was before the Chinese response was actually successful.
You can be sure that whatever comes from this Global situation, it won`t be good for us…Probably in ways we have never even imagined.
When it comes back and it shall, because it does not kill all hosts, it is selective…Then we will have a real change to our social conditions at every level.
Think about how we live and what has happened in the last 30 years and how we are so much more controlled now, then use your imagination in order to extract the maximum amount of money that you can from every human in your country, then use that money for more control measures and so on…
People seem to forget or don’t know there history this kind of thing is going on for centuries
You had the bang in 2008 well this is just another form of the same thing with a double blow, a new flu and the economy collapsing
It’s called the circle of life, we were due another bang about now anyway, once they get the meds sorted to combat it, it will be life as normal for all the world except for the fools who think not
Tude:
Wuhan, Hubei Province is the Porton Down of China, has been since 2015.
So let’s run with that idea as opposed to bat/snake virus somehow transmitting to Chinese gourmets with a taste for exotic live uncooked food.
There are two types of this virus one much worse than the other ?.Which seems strange if it supposedly originated on the same dinner plate and in the same meal.
The infection seems to be conveniently stabilising in China.While it’s spreading like wildfire in the West with a seeming worse fatality rate proportionally in line with the worse version ?.
So a deliberate bioweapon attack done in a way which requires no shots to be fired and made to look like something else.With whatever ‘casualties’ which happened in China being just a diversion to make it look good using a different less potent pathogen, if any really at all.
Or an even worse agenda involving the collusion of western leaders.See the ‘rescue’ flights sent in to Wuhan around a month or more ago bringing hordes of people back to numerous western countries.Including Italy.
Tude:
Wuhan, Hubei Province is the Porton Down of China, has been since 2015.
I spoke with a BBC journalist a few weeks back and he told me this before it was common knowledge in the UK at least.
We discussed a few things and decided that it was all a little too perfect, as regards the actual virus, the timing and the effect and the Global timing regarding economics.
The control of the people of China is simply amazing, however as they have been able to stop the virus, then expect similar controls to be ushered in for our own interests, it is far easier to extract your money if the state have more controls…This is the only aspect of the virus that causes me concern and it did cause my journalist friend some concern when I mentioned it, that was before the Chinese response was actually successful.
You can be sure that whatever comes from this Global situation, it won`t be good for us…Probably in ways we have never even imagined.
When it comes back and it shall, because it does not kill all hosts, it is selective…Then we will have a real change to our social conditions at every level.
Think about how we live and what has happened in the last 30 years and how we are so much more controlled now, then use your imagination in order to extract the maximum amount of money that you can from every human in your country, then use that money for more control measures and so on…
People seem to forget or don’t know there history this kind of thing is going on for centuries
You had the bang in 2008 well this is just another form of the same thing with a double blow, a new flu and the economy collapsing
It’s called the circle of life, we were due another bang about now anyway, once they get the meds sorted to combat it, it will be life as normal for all the world except for the fools who think not
It has mutated twice in the last 3 months, so any meds are going to have to be good.
Tude:
Wuhan, Hubei Province is the Porton Down of China, has been since 2015.
I spoke with a BBC journalist a few weeks back and he told me this before it was common knowledge in the UK at least.
We discussed a few things and decided that it was all a little too perfect, as regards the actual virus, the timing and the effect and the Global timing regarding economics.
The control of the people of China is simply amazing, however as they have been able to stop the virus, then expect similar controls to be ushered in for our own interests, it is far easier to extract your money if the state have more controls…This is the only aspect of the virus that causes me concern and it did cause my journalist friend some concern when I mentioned it, that was before the Chinese response was actually successful.
You can be sure that whatever comes from this Global situation, it won`t be good for us…Probably in ways we have never even imagined.
When it comes back and it shall, because it does not kill all hosts, it is selective…Then we will have a real change to our social conditions at every level.
Think about how we live and what has happened in the last 30 years and how we are so much more controlled now, then use your imagination in order to extract the maximum amount of money that you can from every human in your country, then use that money for more control measures and so on…
People seem to forget or don’t know there history this kind of thing is going on for centuries
You had the bang in 2008 well this is just another form of the same thing with a double blow, a new flu and the economy collapsing
It’s called the circle of life, we were due another bang about now anyway, once they get the meds sorted to combat it, it will be life as normal for all the world except for the fools who think not
It has mutated twice in the last 3 months, so any meds are going to have to be good.
If Politcs returns to the fringes, we’d go back a thousand years at least.
Be careful what you wish for.
I can’t see any way for the Elites to survive in such a world actually, be they Lefties, Liberals, or Right Wingers…
Mobs of people who’ve lost everything - no matter how much they had beforehand - cannot then be bought-off with regards to what is coming to them, since money itself - won’t be any good anymore.
Can you imagine some post-apocalyptic “Suit” trying to offer a nice set of gold sovereigns to some dying-of-poison ordinary person who’s already seen his entire family and neighborhood die horribly before them?
Said “Suit” might suffer the fate of some historical character like Marcus Lucinius Crassus…
Winseer:
Yeh… My brother the cuddly toy - obtained by sending off the “tokens” from this particular product back in the day, and all!
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The original “Token” - Just think!
If you can still laugh at political incorrectness - it proves you’re still alive.
The Right Reverend Robert Moorcock
“One shouldn’t laugh, as the Lord was mocked and spat at whilst carrying the cross”
The Left Reverend Thomas Lessballs
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robertsons withdrew the “tokens” due to complaints from the immigration service as they were being misused as passport photos.
apart from that,the jacks used to be called sambos and were 4 for a penny.
jakethesnake:
Let’s be clear about one thing. Corona virus is not the flu and acts in many different ways.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
unless your a pedantic nitpicking panic merchant fanny then corona and the flu are basically the same thing,
they spread the same way,they infect you the same way,and the symptoms are mostly the same with the proviso theres antidotes for some forms of flu (but not all) and no antidote as yet for corona.
the only way itl affect you other than having the flu is if your poorly anyway.
the only intrusion into your life will be the knock on effect from the panicking faceache ■■■■■■ types on mumsnet panic buying along with everyone else kicking the ass out of sick leave.
but,as robroy says…were all doomed. hopkinsmedicine.org/health/ … vs-the-flu
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to put it even simpler,its mostly the same as the flu and will spread like the flu and affect everyone in a similar way to the flu,and i cant be assed bothering to your pedantic nitpicking pish anymore,so its time for this again…
