So what’s about Cookie Monster?
Or, no, I know!
I’ll be Oscar The Grouch!
That should suit me
So what’s about Cookie Monster?
Or, no, I know!
I’ll be Oscar The Grouch!
That should suit me
Mr B:
considering you spoke different languages you had a lengthy conversation ranging from ornathology to law enforcement to hand signals. Its like me understanding a geordy or scot!
Me thinks you’re winding us up.
Haway man, its Geordie.
orys:
95% of turckers older then 30 speaks russian, as it was mandatory in Poland in old times.As for younger - I think that vast majority speaks some language. We have no choice, as polish isn’t one of world language…
they do say that ignorance is bliss
no, they do not speak russian and the younger people don’t speak any other language either, good luck making up some more crap to back up your fantasies
Think: How many Poles you know and how many Poles I know? I bet I know more…
Apart of everything: even if I don’t speak russian (I never learned) I am still able to communicate with russians, as that both are slavic languages.
I am also able to communicate with Slovaks (very easy), Bulgars, Serbs, Belarussians, Croatians and Ukraininans and Czechs (hard, but still possible).
Slavic languages - Wikipedia This is also my fantasy?
So, apart of that Slavic languages are very close one to another, in Poland foreign language is mandatory in schools and motivation to learn is stronger then in UK, as we can’t expect to find some slavic-speaking persons everywhere arround the word as it have place with english-speakers.
Also we are surrounded by english language - british and american movies, british and american music, internet, electronic devices…
In most european countries you have in radio music in various languages. I bet that in Estonia you have music not only in their native language but also russian and english, maybe some french and italian. So you are sourrounded by multilanguage sounds and you must try really hard to do not pick up a couple of basic words.
But yes, I do made a mistake. I wrote 95% and it may sounds, as 95% of Poles speaks some languages fluently. I ment by that people who are able to communicate on level like “Window broken, bird, me need help”.
The truth is not as good when we speaking about serious language skills.
http://jezyki.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=293
89% of students and pupils
83% of graduated people, 56% of people with middle education, 34% with vocational education and 28% of non-educated people speaks at least one foreigh language.
But lorry driver don’t need to read Sheakspeare or Antoine de Saint - Exupery in original version…
well I guess nobody likes to hear something unpleasant about their fellow countrymen, much less admit to the things being true.
I have no doubt in my mind about you knowing many poles and conversing with them daily, I do have serious doubts about the conversations taking place in a language other, than polish. since I drive through poland most of my trips, I have to communicate with the police, the transport police, the border guard, the customs and so on, not to mention the people at gas stations, restaurants, supermarkets etc. the ability to talk a language other than their native tongue is close to zero.
polish might be a slavic language, but ask somebody something in russian and you get a puzzled look and “tso?”. estonian and finnish are linked to hungarian, the first two I am fluent in, the third one I can use to say “good day”, and I don’t claim to comprehend it more, than I do, just because it is related to my language.
the motivation to learn new language in poland is as high as it is for example in russia, the states, turkey. the bigger the country, the lower the desire to learn a new language. even the customs officers at dorohusk don’t speak russian.
Ory,s
Next time you are bad mouthing the Brits with your Bosnian buddies
Can you please remind them of the reccent role our troops played in bringing peace to their country.
And also fellow Poles who seem to have forgotten the period from 1939-45.
Here is a question of my own.
Why did Poland look to the west,during the cold war.And paint the Russians as barbarians.
And now while we protect them and invest in their counrty,
do they now view Russia as their long lost prodigal son?
Before you start,
this is not a racist question,
just a personal observation
Of course, I don’t speak with my fellow countrymans in foreign languages. But I know many of them living (or having holidays abroad) i know how many of them passed their GCSE in foreign language (in fact, it’s mandatory in most secondary schools), how many of them have certificates, using english websites etc etc. In fact as I am now thinking I can remind myself only one person, who can’t speak any foreign language on basic level.
Of course if you expect Poles to be fluent in Hungarian or Finnish i won’t defend anyone. I have some albums of Lokomotiv GT and Omega and all I can tell is that it sounds strange to me
As for Russian: speak slow and use older words as they are often coming from common slavic trunk or use traces from germanic languages and there would be any problems. That honest advice. Other thing is that as we can see russians have the same kindness in Poland that Bosnians get on A1(M) in England. Only difference is that Poles have some reasons to do not admire russians too much. Soviet Union was forcin us to speak russian last 60 years so don’t be suprised that now some people want to take their small revenge. Be polite, even humble maybe rather that demanding and their ability to understand you will improve instantly. If you don’t believe me try to tell this polce officers a few nasty words, and when you land in jail for offencing officers on duty, send me a postcard to grant me, that they understand much more than you expected .
I know, that you are not Russian, I am sorry to tell you that, but for most Poland every man from behind our east border is seen as a Ruski and therefore that’s not a big difference if you are from Moscow, Wilno or Tallin.
As for english - as we joking most of english speakers are already in UK or Ireland
Did you tried german? Is almost as popular as english in Poland. French and italian are also common.
Last but not least did you considered, that you was lucky enaugh to meet people who speaks other languages then you?
Other thing: if you have some skills you won’t work on the gas station for 900 zł per month. Especially if you can do the same in Birmingham for 300 pounds per week.
And for the end: there is similar opinion about british language skills. When my girl came here she had almost no english but she speaks very good french. You would be suprised how many people in Glasgow speaks french. From doctors and teachers to our local neds and asian shop owners.
orys:
Think: How many Poles you know and how many Poles I know? I bet I know more…Apart of everything: even if I don’t speak russian (I never learned) I am still able to communicate with russians, as that both are slavic languages.
I am also able to communicate with Slovaks (very easy), Bulgars, Serbs, Belarussians, Croatians and Ukraininans and Czechs (hard, but still possible).
Slavic languages - Wikipedia This is also my fantasy?
So, apart of that Slavic languages are very close one to another, in Poland foreign language is mandatory in schools and motivation to learn is stronger then in UK, as we can’t expect to find some slavic-speaking persons everywhere arround the word as it have place with english-speakers.
Also we are surrounded by english language - british and american movies, british and american music, internet, electronic devices…
In most european countries you have in radio music in various languages. I bet that in Estonia you have music not only in their native language but also russian and english, maybe some french and italian. So you are sourrounded by multilanguage sounds and you must try really hard to do not pick up a couple of basic words.
But yes, I do made a mistake. I wrote 95% and it may sounds, as 95% of Poles speaks some languages fluently. I ment by that people who are able to communicate on level like “Window broken, bird, me need help”.
The truth is not as good when we speaking about serious language skills.
http://jezyki.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=293
89% of students and pupils
83% of graduated people, 56% of people with middle education, 34% with vocational education and 28% of non-educated people speaks at least one foreigh language.But lorry driver don’t need to read Sheakspeare or Antoine de Saint - Exupery in original version…
But what exactly is your point?
Macka Packa:
Next time you are bad mouthing the Brits with your Bosnian buddies
Can you please remind them of the role our troops played in bringing peace to their country.
As far as I know UN forces did not too much in Balkan War. But there were polish soldiers among them as well, but I can’t see that as a reason to do not helping Bosnians in needs…
And also fellow Poles who seem to have forgotten the period from 1939-45.
Oh, we remember much better than you. Monte Cassino, Battle of Britain, African Campaign, Enigma code… The polish goverment on exile in London… Polish soldiers in RAF, polish vessels in Royal Navy… We were fighting together. And then when it comes to Yalta no-one cared about us.
We already discussed that question, so please not start it again. I just answering your questions.
Here is a question of my own.
I’ll do my best to answer you.
Why did Poland look to the west,during the cold war.And paint the Russians as barbarians.
And now while we protected them and invested in their counrty,
From what you are protecting us? Can you explain that to me? And as for investitions I can’t remind myself any big british companies in Poland. But I know, that most of your own economy is now in foreigners hands…
do they now view Russia as their long lost prodigal son?
I think we’ll never will see Russia as our son. But Russians, as a other slavic nation, have our understanding - similar coulture, common history. They will understand polish souls and we are able to understand theirs. That will be very hard for english people for example - as hard as understand english culture for us.
Before you start,
this is not a racist question,
just a personal observation
I know. I am talking about my personal observations as well… I think it can be interested for everyone how we see each other.
Harry Monk:
But what exactly is your point?
That a little off-topic with few facts about language skills in my country and it’s in fact to our Estonian friend, who claims, that language knowledge among poles is zero. I tried to show that it’s not true using logical arguments, my own experience and some research.
And yes, you’re right - it brings nothing to main stream of this discussion.
orys:
Last but not least did you considered, that you was lucky enaugh to meet people who speaks other languages then you?
yeah, I praise the day I first planted my foot on the soil of mother poland.
so the polish truckers understand russian but choose not to speak it? and exactly how is that better than just plain old being stupid? and how about a geography lesson regarding the location of estonia, while we’re at it
if german is as popular as english, I can try talking to a wall, with similar results
The E.U. is investing billions in your country
The E.U is giving you political and trade protection,against failing world markets.
I cant wait for you to venture into a squaddies bar in Scotland and tell them
that you dont think they did much in Bosnia
Also dont talk rubbish about the Russians understanding your souls etc…
They wanted your land and sent you off to work camps
orys:
And as for investitions I can’t remind myself any big british companies in Poland. .
British Petroleum would spring to mind, with about a gazillion stations in poland, but that would not fit your illusion of the great kingdom of poland now would it
milodon:
orys:
Last but not least did you considered, that you was lucky enaugh to meet people who speaks other languages then you?so the polish truckers understand russian but choose not to speak it? and exactly how is that better than just plain old being stupid?
It isnt any better than just being stupid, I agree. But it have other reason.
and how about a geography lesson regarding the location of estonia, while we’re at it
How about history lesson? Where was Estonia 20 years ago? Wasn’t that inside of Soviet Union?
In common way of thinking: Soviet Union = Russians. You should not be a stranger to oversimplification, so you should feel familiar with that.
if german is as popular as english, I can try talking to a wall, with similar results
If you speak to them as polite as to me, nobody will want to speak with you even in perfect polish
Orys,
The only reason it goes off topic is because as soon as someone slags off any of your flathead comrades you start ranting about how good poland is.
One question, if it’s so good why don’t you do us all a favour & ■■■■ off back there?
Be honest, the place is a ■■■■■■■■ full of poverty, just accept that however bad you may think Britain is, it’s a lot better than Poland or you wouldn’t be here.
Before you reply, yes I.m proud to be British, well English, even prouder to be a Londoner, BUT I now live & work in Canada, because IN MY opinion it’s a better place to be, I don’t get on Canadian websites slagging them off & telling them how good the UK is, I follow the principals of WHEN IN ROME DO AS THE ROMANS DO.
On that note I am now going to put on my dungarees, gas up my pick up, go to the local drive thru moose burger diner & then have my mullet styled ready for tonights barn dance
Macka Packa:
The E.U. is investing billions in your country.The E.U is giving you political and trade protection,against failing world markets.
I don’t think that EU is a charity organisation… It’s good business for everyone. If you will get eastern point of view: Eastern Europe is a huge, growing market for you, and you can make a profit there, as this countries are improving very fast, while the rest of the word is going down.
I cant wait for you to venture into a squaddies bar in Scotland and tell them
that you dont think they did much in Bosnia
I dont mean Scotland. I was talking about all UN forces there, including Polish. So that won’t be “You did nothing” but “We did nothing”.
Also dont talk rubbish about the Russians understanding your souls etc…
Maybe it sounds rubbish, but it’s just close culture to our own. Sorry if I can’t explain it better in english.
They wanted your land and sent you off to work camps
No. That were Germans. Soviets just killed us in the wood with bullet in the head. And we weren’t always nice to them as well. We once captured Moscow and placed our own Tsar there… But it’s nothing to do with culture.
newmercman:
.On that note I am now going to put on my dungarees, gas up my pick up, go to the local drive thru moose burger diner & then have my mullet styled ready for tonights barn dance
He cuts down trees. He skips and jumps.
He likes to press wild flowers.
He puts on women’s clothing
And hangs around in bars?!
He’s a lumberjack, and he’s okay.
He sleeps all night and he works all day.
milodon:
British Petroleum would spring to mind, with about a gazillion stations in poland, but that would not fit your illusion of the great kingdom of poland now would it
According to Wikipedia it’s multinational oil company, based in London, merged in Standard Oil from Indiana, US, and BP is explained as “Beyond Petroleum”.
Ory,s you seem to take one step forward and two steps backwards
newmercman:
Orys,The only reason it goes off topic is because as soon as someone slags off any of your flathead comrades you start ranting about how good poland is.
Only to defend, as when I touch any subject I always read how bad Poland is, how bad polish drivers are and how stupid we are…
One question, if it’s so good why don’t you do us all a favour & [zb] off back there?
From the same reasons for what you are in Canada.
Be honest, the place is a [zb] full of poverty, just accept that however bad you may think Britain is, it’s a lot better than Poland or you wouldn’t be here.
Not as much as you think and Britain is not as much better as you think. But in general - yes. But if that would be only the money, I would not live here. I just want to know other cultures, other countries, other people.
Before you reply, yes I.m proud to be British, well English, even prouder to be a Londoner, BUT I now live & work in Canada, because IN MY opinion it’s a better place to be, I don’t get on Canadian websites slagging them off & telling them how good the UK is, I follow the principals of WHEN IN ROME DO AS THE ROMANS DO.
Few questions, if you don’t mind: