mshenderson:
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The ‘majority’ are in debt up to their eyeballs, so a day off would have an adverse affect. Perhaps if ‘all’ were to book a days holiday?
RB84:
How many jobs actually pay overtime after 35 hours? Not that many I’d say.As said train driving does not cover as many area’s as lorry driving, so on the 3rd of April will no bins be collected? no skips delivered? no milk picked up? No one loosing the will to live in an RDC waiting room?
Probably notAnd if Drivers (or pretty much any other worker out there nowadays) says no there’s an army of limpers waiting for a call.
It would only be a temporary blip anyway and nothing would be any different on the 4th of April companies would dust themselves down and carry on regardless.
but if I’m wrong VIVA LA REVOLUCION!!
On 4th firms will be handing out 90 days notice, for a change in terms and conditions, after they all realised how easy we are to replace, unlike Train driver.
As said pretty much every job is covered by agency replacement, accept Train driver !
eddie snax:
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every driver booking the same 1 week off at the same time.Most firms have as part of your contract, that annual leave is booked in advance and at the company discretion as to time is available, in other words book early to avoid disappointment. This allows the employer to control how many staff are off at anytime. So it would be impossible to go down the mass holiday booking route without many breaking they’re contract.
No, if you give ‘reasonable’ notice they cannot refuse. After all, what are employment agencies for?
Honestscott76:
eddie snax:
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every driver booking the same 1 week off at the same time.Most firms have as part of your contract, that annual leave is booked in advance and at the company discretion as to time is available, in other words book early to avoid disappointment. This allows the employer to control how many staff are off at anytime. So it would be impossible to go down the mass holiday booking route without many breaking they’re contract.
No, if you give ‘reasonable’ notice they cannot refuse. After all, what are employment agencies for?
Well we’ll have differ on that. Most will allow short notice leave for exceptional circumstances, but not for instance if you booked a holiday at short notice to get a give away deal, you’d usually get told to do one, if you expect time off at the same short notice.
Radar19:
mshenderson:
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I’d hazard a guess its because they are smaller in number and less fractured. Its well known that truckers are our own worst enemy. There are too many options for haulier bosses to keep things rolling compared to train drivers. If our regular full timers at our place said “Screw you, I’m not driving today”. All my boss would have to do is reach for the phone, call the numerous agencies around here and those wagons will still be moving.
Remember what this job has become. Gone are the days of old where drivers helped each other, gone are the days when drivers would make a stand but even then they wouldn’t have to because the job was good.
I’m not going to be taking part, not because I don’t want to see conditions change but I should of be starting or have just started a new job which is better than my old one. You really think I’d say to be new boss that I wouldn’t be driving on that day?
So you’re not keen on kicking yourself in the nuts then? 
And I don’t blame you, as calling in a limper and marking your card is probably exactly what your employer would do!
Divide and Conquer!!!
Every architect of a system, be it the government or business wants its critical components to be plentiful, and thus also cheap. Long gone are the days of job security, and the rights to fight for it. We along with many other sectors have been fractured and weakened by the cancer of casual labour in the form of limpers, and zero hours contracts. Perfect for the government, as their job is to make the country tick and competitive by driving down overheads. And be it our boss, or the country, we are an overhead in the grand scheme of things! 
Wages, hours and T&C’s will not improve whilst the scourge that is agency, is allowed a free reign to infect and decay working class jobs in general. It shouldn’t be financially practical to prop up regular work with limpers, or those without proper T&C’s, yet it appears to be.
But what does that say? Our government likes the arrangement?
Probably yes! 
P.S. And instead of a strike, what we need is a Purge! 
Radar19:
mshenderson:
We would be powerful together, look at what train drivers get, Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI’d hazard a guess its because they are smaller in number and less fractured. Its well known that truckers are our own worst enemy. There are too many options for haulier bosses to keep things rolling compared to train drivers. If our regular full timers at our place said “Screw you, I’m not driving today”. All my boss would have to do is reach for the phone, call the numerous agencies around here and those wagons will still be moving. all you have to do is go in, put your card in and then sit in the brew room with the keys in your pockets and play cards all day. What you can’t do is block the gates, as you can not stop other people going about their lawful business or block bays off! Did this at kelloggs over twenty years ago! They can not touch you as well, assault see! Repeat when night men come in and no agency driver will ever get the keys. Lasted one week at Kelloggs! Got paid, double on Saturday! Treble Sunday and quadruple on bank holidays!
Remember what this job has become. Gone are the days of old where drivers helped each other, gone are the days when drivers would make a stand but even then they wouldn’t have to because the job was good.
I’m not going to be taking part, not because I don’t want to see conditions change but I should of be starting or have just started a new job which is better than my old one. You really think I’d say to be new boss that I wouldn’t be driving on that day?
I hope this gets off the ground
Just 1 day off on holiday ,might make the difference!
April 3 is a monday long weekend it is!
Just booked it off!
What we need is some french truckers they don,t mess about BLOCK THE MOTORWAYS OFF, BURN SOME TYRES AND BOLLOX TO ALL OF EM!
eddie snax:
Honestscott76:
eddie snax:
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every driver booking the same 1 week off at the same time.Most firms have as part of your contract, that annual leave is booked in advance and at the company discretion as to time is available, in other words book early to avoid disappointment. This allows the employer to control how many staff are off at anytime. So it would be impossible to go down the mass holiday booking route without many breaking they’re contract.
No, if you give ‘reasonable’ notice they cannot refuse. After all, what are employment agencies for?
Well we’ll have differ on that. Most will allow short notice leave for exceptional circumstances, but not for instance if you booked a holiday at short notice to get a give away deal, you’d usually get told to do one, if you expect time off at the same short notice.
I’ve mentioned nothing about ‘short notice’.
Honestscott76:
eddie snax:
Honestscott76:
Most firms have as part of your contract, that annual leave is booked in advance and at the company discretion as to time is available, in other words book early to avoid disappointment. This allows the employer to control how many staff are off at anytime. So it would be impossible to go down the mass holiday booking route without many breaking they’re contract.No, if you give ‘reasonable’ notice they cannot refuse. After all, what are employment agencies for?
Well we’ll have differ on that. Most will allow short notice leave for exceptional circumstances, but not for instance if you booked a holiday at short notice to get a give away deal, you’d usually get told to do one, if you expect time off at the same short notice.
I’ve mentioned nothing about ‘short notice’.
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Ok, so you give them reasonable notice, and they get agency driver’s to cover your work, what was the point of your day off in regard to trying to force the issue of pay and conditions. The employer has still covered his commitments, and you’ve used some of the annual leave you’re entitled to anyway!
Bloody tablet, not sure how I got all the quote in the wrong places
Most normal jobs are overtime after 38-40 hours
The 48hr thing is actually adheared to in factories .
You sign it or you dont.
This day thing will never work ,The previous haulage Drivers ,Over many years have not done anything to stop what’s happening today .Short term im ok jack"Assess" have helped to completely deteriate any rights drivers had years ago.hense the mess this industry is in today .
Iam afraid the Governmrnt are fully aware of the problems but have no interest in 5 day licenced Truckers being payed more than some 7 year apprenticed junior doctors …
Just call it ‘Defect Day’ all those little things (and in some cases not so little) that haven’t been fixed for weeks or even months, stick them in the the book/ on the sheet once more and don’t move until they’ve actually been fixed!
No thanks.
I’m happy with my pay, hours, how I’m treated, the motor I drive and the nature of the work.
I don’t give a toss about what anyone else earns. If you’re unhappy find a new job.
I would rather drive a bad truck and earn decent money. I would take a stance regarding the pay of other truck drivers I am more than happy with what I earn but something has got to give and soon
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Vid:
Just call it ‘Defect Day’ all those little things (and in some cases not so little) that haven’t been fixed for weeks or even months, stick them in the the book/ on the sheet once more and don’t move until they’ve actually been fixed!
Tut tut, you mean you don’t defect now !
Vid:
Just call it ‘Defect Day’ all those little things (and in some cases not so little) that haven’t been fixed for weeks or even months, stick them in the the book/ on the sheet once more and don’t move until they’ve actually been fixed!
I cant moan about rates neither can the employed drivers at ‘my’ place as its very good but we all did a similar thing re the state of the tilts we’re pulling. To be fair theyre not all owned by our company but told the bosses we were refusing to pull the ■■■■ ones from Hungary if the standards of repair/maintenance didnt improve as it was (and still is) pretty dire. Things actually did inprove for a while and we had a run of (old and battered) VanHools but new tyres and brake parts fitted with even new lenses on some! This was last year and as predicted its now reverted to bodge and repair again
eddie snax:
Vid:
Just call it ‘Defect Day’ all those little things (and in some cases not so little) that haven’t been fixed for weeks or even months, stick them in the the book/ on the sheet once more and don’t move until they’ve actually been fixed!Tut tut, you mean you don’t defect now !
Of course I do, just depends on the site and what the issue is as to whether its a case of the the vehicle not moving or not until a fitter has been in attendance. Plenty of stuff that a driver ‘could’ insist on being looked at before leaving the yard that on another day he’d just crack on with no worries. Might not result in a wagon being off the road for the day but could easily be a few hours or more if enough from the same firm chuck in defects at the same time.
Have any of the organisers contacted the R.H.A or press to highlight this protest - day of action. I feel it would be worth it as drivers are generally fed up with the terms and conditions and it would bring it more attention.
Whoever is organising it would of contacted people, it’s not beyond our own power to send emails to the press
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I’d be happy too have a week off in support of this action , I’ll have a word with the traffic commissioner and see if theyl coincide my 4/8 week lisense suspension with this action .