Must admit its the reason why I went O/O a few years back. Realised I would always be working for somebody giving me orders and dictating what I did and controlling how much I could earn.
It took a while to get on my feet but I am so glad I took this route, I now have the choice of who I work for and what type of work that I do. Certainly not easy but at least I do get Job satisfaction and get to drive the Truck I am happy with ( or rather what earns me the most ).
huddersfield66:
peirre:
gothika:
10 an hour after 10 hrs 12 an hourGeesh … are drivers still working for those rates in this modern day?
Some don’t have an option. Its either that or the dole
I realize this may well attract flippant replies, but I chose the dole. Last summer I worked for half a dozen rip-of and scam jobs from both agencies and ‘permanent’ employment and joined the 50 hours for £350pw take home club, clean licence, experience etc.
Coming up to retirement I now get just over £200pw on Universal Credit. No stress, no treated like a dog and I get to bed every night. Let all these rip off haulage companies go bankrupt and I won’t shed a tear for any of them.
yorkshire terrier:
switchlogic:
yorkshire terrier:
Don’t believe everything that drivers tell you when you ask about the firm they drive for.
My mate drivers for a firm in Leeds and is constantly hounded and pushed to the limit day in day out he is constantly tracked and getting in cab cameras fitted soon.
But if you ask him what it’s like he says “yes it’s ok they leave you alone etc and money ain’t bad”
He says that to convince himself it’s normal to be treated that way and won’t speak up,he hates the job but won’t admit it.
As for mulgrews I know nothing about them but any firm paying overtime after 10 hours not 8 and that has in cab cameras is to be avoided in my opinion.So someone thinks the job he’s in is ok but you think he’s lying and that you know better? Righty oh then…
No seriously I know this lad very well and he hates the place,his wife tells me he gets stressed over it and brings that stress home but if anyone he don’t know asks him how the job is he says it’s sound.
It’s like he is trying to convince himself it’s normal to be spoken to like dirt pushed to break the law and payed peanuts,I know he should grow a pair and speak up but he ain’t that sort of lad.
I’m currently trying to get him on at our place before his home life suffers anymore.
I also know the firm and 4 drivers left on Friday…he is the longest serving and been there just 3 year.
Who is your mate working for ■■■■■■■ Transport? Blue coloured company in Morley?
“Can Do.” ?
Grandpa:
huddersfield66:
peirre:
gothika:
10 an hour after 10 hrs 12 an hourGeesh … are drivers still working for those rates in this modern day?
Some don’t have an option. Its either that or the dole
I realize this may well attract flippant replies, but I chose the dole. Last summer I worked for half a dozen rip-of and scam jobs from both agencies and ‘permanent’ employment and joined the 50 hours for £350pw take home club, clean licence, experience etc.
Coming up to retirement I now get just over £200pw on Universal Credit. No stress, no treated like a dog and I get to bed every night. Let all these rip off haulage companies go bankrupt and I won’t shed a tear for any of them.
No flippant reply from me. Just an honest ■■■■ you.
You’re happy to sit on your arse all day , because you’re to bone idle to do a couple of hours of ■■■■ easy work a day.
Go tell a miner how hard driving a truck is. Go tell a drone at Amazon (spit) who is plugged into the machine how hard driving a truck is. Go tell a fireman how hard your job is.
Try standing at a machine in a factory, for 12 hours a shift, doing the same mind numbingly boring thing every day, and tell all those people how hard done you’re by…
The funniest part though, is that you cut your money nearly by half, because you’re to bone idle to work.
On the other hand ND, he’s probably never missed a day’s work since he was 16, paid thousands into the system, never drawn a penny from it,.whilst watching the pond life, the work shy, the bone idle,.and foreigners reaping the benefits of our system whilst living here illegally (as well as the genuine cases in the minority) and thought ‘■■■■ it, had enough of working loads of hours for little money, I can live off 200 quid in the few months until I retire, here goes’.
I do see his point, although not saying I fully agree with it.
Each to his own, and given the choice, I’d rather my tax money went to the likes of him than the aforementioned crew. 
(Don’t know wtf this has to do with Mulgrews btw. 
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I realize this may well attract flippant replies, but I chose the dole. Last summer I worked for half a dozen rip-of and scam jobs from both agencies and ‘permanent’ employment and joined the 50 hours for £350pw take home club, clean licence, experience etc.
Coming up to retirement I now get just over £200pw on Universal Credit. No stress, no treated like a dog and I get to bed every night. Let all these rip off haulage companies go bankrupt and I won’t shed a tear for any of them.
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No flippant reply from me. Just an honest [zb] you.
You’re happy to sit on your arse all day , because you’re to bone idle to do a couple of hours of ■■■■ easy work a day.
Go tell a miner how hard driving a truck is. Go tell a drone at Amazon (spit) who is plugged into the machine how hard driving a truck is. Go tell a fireman how hard your job is.
Try standing at a machine in a factory, for 12 hours a shift, doing the same mind numbingly boring thing every day, and tell all those people how hard done you’re by…
The funniest part though, is that you cut your money nearly by half, because you’re to bone idle to work.
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Don’t try and embarrass me. I started work in 1970 and I officially retire in 6 months’ time. I’ve paid my share in and was probably doing so before you were born! At my age I do sit on my a**e and remember when driving was a well paid skill.
DickyNick:
TheUncaringCowboy:
gothika:
Anyone know new wages at mulgrew haulage heyshas m please they had pay rise professional clean company to work for really fancy working for themClean company? Shower of wannabe bullies who have a shocking attitude towards drivers. Cameras in the cab, never ending stream of emails and messages, you’ll be scrutinising every payslip because they’ll take every penny they can off you, paid by the minute not the hour. Act like they’re God’s gift to transport and consider yourself lucky to have a job with them.
There’s a reason the whole lot of their Cairnryan drivers walked away in one go, personally know 3 of them.
With the way things are you ARE lucky to have a job, whether it’s with them or anyone else.
Old Rowleydicknicks lot are recruiting he’s happy on £9 an hour and he’s a driving god so you lot should also be grateful to have such a great job and pay
Grandpa:
I realize this may well attract flippant replies, but I chose the dole. Last summer I worked for half a dozen rip-of and scam jobs from both agencies and ‘permanent’ employment and joined the 50 hours for £350pw take home club, clean licence, experience etc.Coming up to retirement I now get just over £200pw on Universal Credit. No stress, no treated like a dog and I get to bed every night. Let all these rip off haulage companies go bankrupt and I won’t shed a tear for any of them.
No flippant reply from me. Just an honest [zb] you.
You’re happy to sit on your arse all day , because you’re to bone idle to do a couple of hours of ■■■■ easy work a day.
Go tell a miner how hard driving a truck is. Go tell a drone at Amazon (spit) who is plugged into the machine how hard driving a truck is. Go tell a fireman how hard your job is.
Try standing at a machine in a factory, for 12 hours a shift, doing the same mind numbingly boring thing every day, and tell all those people how hard done you’re by…
The funniest part though, is that you cut your money nearly by half, because you’re to bone idle to work.
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Don’t try and embarrass me. I started work in 1970 and I officially retire in 6 months’ time. I’ve paid my share in and was probably doing so before you were born! [emoji38] At my age I do sit on my a**e and remember when driving was a well paid skill.
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As a recent immigrant into the UK, how do you find the UK system works now?
Is it better or worse than before your ten and a half years working overseas?
robroy:
On the other hand ND, he’s probably never missed a day’s work since he was 16, paid thousands into the system, never drawn a penny from it,.whilst watching the pond life, the work shy, the bone idle,.and foreigners reaping the benefits of our system whilst living here illegally (as well as the genuine cases in the minority) and thought ‘[zb] it, had enough of working loads of hours for little money, I can live off 200 quid in the few months until I retire, here goes’.
I do see his point, although not saying I fully agree with it.Each to his own, and given the choice, I’d rather my tax money went to the likes of him than the aforementioned crew.
(Don’t know wtf this has to do with Mulgrews btw.
Something like that and my comment was in reply to Huddersfield66 who said, ‘it’s either that or the dole.’ A trip down memory lane?
Remember the time when Class 1 was a sought after skill? Failed the first time passed the second and then spent the next few years learning how to drive! Remember o/t after 8 and when weekend/holidays attracted premium rates and not just a £1.50 extra? When trunking was a distance delivery and collection, and not multi-drop with a pump truck and agencies were for mothers looking to do a bit of p/t work? All that’s left are a few mouthy ‘grafters’ among the decreasing foreigners and those over 50s with strained shoulders and bad backs mainly working for small haulage companies going bust trying to compete with the East Europeans.
There’s nothing romantic about ‘grafting’ in a skill that now attracts a wage slightly above that of an Amazon warehouse labourer and where you’re often treated with the same contempt. Introduce the WTD and fill the market with mass foreign labour and what’s happening now isn’t a surprise. The government have already said they’re going to raise taxes to pay for the virus fiasco so prepare yourselves to take home even less.
robroy:
On the other hand ND, he’s probably never missed a day’s work since he was 16, paid thousands into the system, never drawn a penny from it,.whilst watching the pond life, the work shy, the bone idle,.and foreigners reaping the benefits of our system whilst living here illegally (as well as the genuine cases in the minority) and thought ‘[zb] it, had enough of working loads of hours for little money, I can live off 200 quid in the few months until I retire, here goes’.
I do see his point, although not saying I fully agree with it.Each to his own, and given the choice, I’d rather my tax money went to the likes of him than the aforementioned crew.
(Don’t know wtf this has to do with Mulgrews btw. [emoji38] )
Government (our) monies should go to those who have reached the retirement age, and have made enough contribution to qualify.
It should also go to those who are able and willing to work, but can’t find it.
I’m not in favour of it going to those who believe that they are above what is offered and choose to sit and do nowt. There are crap jobs out there, but is it too much to expect those posts to be taken whilst getting new experience and looking for better?
Even bad jobs pay a minimum legal wage. I
There is a case.for that to be more, but that’s a different argument.
Franglais:
robroy:
On the other hand ND, he’s probably never missed a day’s work since he was 16, paid thousands into the system, never drawn a penny from it,.whilst watching the pond life, the work shy, the bone idle,.and foreigners reaping the benefits of our system whilst living here illegally (as well as the genuine cases in the minority) and thought ‘[zb] it, had enough of working loads of hours for little money, I can live off 200 quid in the few months until I retire, here goes’.
I do see his point, although not saying I fully agree with it.Each to his own, and given the choice, I’d rather my tax money went to the likes of him than the aforementioned crew.
(Don’t know wtf this has to do with Mulgrews btw. [emoji38] )
Government (our) monies should go to those who have reached the retirement age, and have made enough contribution to qualify.
It should also go to those who are able and willing to work, but can’t find it.
I’m not in favour of it going to those who believe that they are above what is offered and choose to sit and do nowt. There are crap jobs out there, but is it too much to expect those posts to be taken whilst getting new experience and looking for better?
Even bad jobs pay a minimum legal wage. I
There is a case.for that to be more, but that’s a different argument.
Rob, I was not commenting on his years of paying in, he only mentioned that himself after you reminded him, but the entitled whine about not being paid enough, and being treated like a God, for driving a wagon…
Dies he think the nurses get a coffee and a slice of cake at work? That the factory boss greets his workers every morning at the gate, thanking them and handing out chocolate bars? If he wants to know what it’s like to be treated like ‘a dog’ he should apply to work for mr. Ashley on a zero hour contract.
He’s hurt because the nasty man didnt say ‘we done’ when he finished his job…
I could go on…
Franglais, quite. Our taxes should pay for the elderly, the infirm, and those unfortunate to be out of work, but trying to get back in employment. Those to lazy to work should be given enough vouchers to eat, and heat their home, but not for extras such as fahs and booze.
Old Rowleydicknicks lot are recruiting he’s happy on £9 an hour and he’s a driving god so you lot should also be grateful to have such a great job and pay
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Slightly above minimum wage? It’s not unusual.
Here’s a suggestion for Messer’s Fagan and Whalley. Get rid of your expensive compliance officer, ditch the useless Health and Safety officers, out with the trainers ‘classroom’ and in-cab spy cameras and stop pretending you’re a corporation instead of a haulage company like the others struggling to keep its head above water.
With the money you’ve saved double your hourly rate. Not only will you save on advertising, you’ll also get the professional drivers you want. Oh, and every now and again don’t forget to tell your drivers you value them and they’re not just rubbish you use to pay your executive mortgages. 
Grandpa:
Old Rowleydicknicks lot are recruiting he’s happy on £9 an hour and he’s a driving god so you lot should also be grateful to have such a great job and paySlightly above minimum wage? It’s not unusual.
Here’s a suggestion for Messer’s Fagan and Whalley. Get rid of your expensive compliance officer, ditch the useless Health and Safety officers, out with the trainers ‘classroom’ and in-cab spy cameras and stop pretending you’re a corporation instead of a haulage company like the others struggling to keep its head above water.
With the money you’ve saved double your hourly rate. Not only will you save on advertising, you’ll also get the professional drivers you want. Oh, and every now and again don’t forget to tell your drivers you value them and they’re not just rubbish you use to pay your executive mortgages.
That could be applied to most haulage (or ‘‘logistical solutuions’’ 
) firms today.
Get rid of the non jobbers, all the unnecessary surveillance crap out of the trucks, pay a decent wage to drivers that you treat like grown ups, and there is a good job in there.
They fail to see this though.
robroy:
Grandpa:
Old Rowleydicknicks lot are recruiting he’s happy on £9 an hour and he’s a driving god so you lot should also be grateful to have such a great job and paySlightly above minimum wage? It’s not unusual.
Here’s a suggestion for Messer’s Fagan and Whalley. Get rid of your expensive compliance officer, ditch the useless Health and Safety officers, out with the trainers ‘classroom’ and in-cab spy cameras and stop pretending you’re a corporation instead of a haulage company like the others struggling to keep its head above water.
With the money you’ve saved double your hourly rate. Not only will you save on advertising, you’ll also get the professional drivers you want. Oh, and every now and again don’t forget to tell your drivers you value them and they’re not just rubbish you use to pay your executive mortgages.
That could be applied to most haulage (or ‘‘logistical solutuions’’ ) firms today.
Get rid of the non jobbers, all the unnecessary surveillance crap out of the trucks, pay a decent wage to drivers that you treat like grown ups, and there is a good job in there.
They fail to see this though.
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Among the ‘ex-SAS’, ‘grafters’ and fantasy ‘loadsa money’ drivers, I’m glad someone gets it.
Once upon a time there were three sets of workers. The unskilled in the warehouses. Above them were those with skills and above those, the managers. Give or take a bit, everyone knew what their labour was worth.
Flood the oversaturated labour market with foreign workers in a gig-economy and the previous distinctions collapsed. The three categories became two – labourers and management. The warehouse workers got their minimum wage. The forklift drivers being more productive got a £1ph increase and the drivers being even more productive got an extra £1ph more than the fork lift truck drivers. £8.72, £9.72, £10.72. Give or take the odd 50p, is that about right?
So here we are. In a gig economy, low pay with lockdowns and heading for the biggest depression since the 1930s, with unemployment already over 4 million and rising fast with a government that favours a Monty Python script. The good news is it can’t get any worse, but at my age I’m not going to join in.
Grandpa:
robroy:
Grandpa:
Old Rowleydicknicks lot are recruiting he’s happy on £9 an hour and he’s a driving god so you lot should also be grateful to have such a great job and paySlightly above minimum wage? It’s not unusual.
Here’s a suggestion for Messer’s Fagan and Whalley. Get rid of your expensive compliance officer, ditch the useless Health and Safety officers, out with the trainers ‘classroom’ and in-cab spy cameras and stop pretending you’re a corporation instead of a haulage company like the others struggling to keep its head above water.
With the money you’ve saved double your hourly rate. Not only will you save on advertising, you’ll also get the professional drivers you want. Oh, and every now and again don’t forget to tell your drivers you value them and they’re not just rubbish you use to pay your executive mortgages.
That could be applied to most haulage (or ‘‘logistical solutuions’’
Get rid of the non jobbers, all the unnecessary surveillance crap out of the trucks, pay a decent wage to drivers that you treat like grown ups, and there is a good job in there.
They fail to see this though.
Among the ‘ex-SAS’, ‘grafters’ and fantasy ‘loadsa money’ drivers, I’m glad someone gets it.
Once upon a time there were three sets of workers. The unskilled in the warehouses. Above them were those with skills and above those, the managers. Give or take a bit, everyone knew what their labour was worth.
Flood the oversaturated labour market with foreign workers in a gig-economy and the previous distinctions collapsed. The three categories became two – labourers and management. The warehouse workers got their minimum wage. The forklift drivers being more productive got a £1ph increase and the drivers being even more productive got an extra £1ph more than the fork lift truck drivers. £8.72, £9.72, £10.72. Give or take the odd 50p, is that about right?
So here we are. In a gig economy, low pay with lockdowns and heading for the biggest depression since the 1930s, with unemployment already over 4 million and rising fast with a government that favours a Monty Python script. The good news is it can’t get any worse, but at my age I’m not going to join in.
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But you have joined in.
You are taking the money paid in taxes by those actually doing jobs that you consider beneath you.
Taxes you paid twenty years weren’t paid into an account for you to draw now. You are taking the monies of those working today.
^^^^^^^^^
And add to the mix ‘Non Union do wtf they like with their drivers’ type firms, along with those who are daft enough to have been brainwashed into believing all the anti Union rhetoric, drip fed to them over the years, (although the truth is staring them in the face that Union backed firms have much better t.s&c.s…fact.) and there we have the complete cluster ■■■■ of modern haulage firms. 
Franglais:
So here we are. In a gig economy, low pay with lockdowns and heading for the biggest depression since the 1930s, with unemployment already over 4 million and rising fast with a government that favours a Monty Python script. The good news is it can’t get any worse, but at my age I’m not going to join in.
But you have joined in.
You are taking the money paid in taxes by those actually doing jobs that you consider beneath you.
Taxes you paid twenty years weren’t paid into an account for you to draw now. You are taking the monies of those working today.
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But, to be fair to the work shy old codger (only joking… 
), that is how the system works. The ones that work, pay for the ones that dont. The first recipients of the welfare state had never paid in previously, how could they? That is why the whole pension system is a pyramid scheme… which is about to collapse.
Unless, somebody devizes a way to stop pensioners from living to long… like a virus. But that’s ridiculous, they’d never get away with something like that.
But you have joined in.
You are taking the money paid in taxes by those actually doing jobs that you consider beneath you.
Taxes you paid twenty years weren’t paid into an account for you to draw now. You are taking the monies of those working today.
No Franglais. I am taking the money from those that I paid for with my taxes who now that I’m older and they’re working pay for me. Just as you now pay for me, one day those still at school will pay for you.
I don’t consider working beneath me, but I’m too old for the low pay rat race that driving has become. When you get to your mid-60s you’ll understand.
robroy:
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And add to the mix ‘Non Union do wtf they like with their drivers’ type firms, along with those who are daft enough to have been brainwashed into believing all the anti Union rhetoric, drip fed to them over the years, (although the truth is staring them in the face that Union backed firms have much better t.s&c.s…fact.) and there we have the complete cluster [zb] of modern haulage firms.
Never thought much of the Unions, but now a bit shame facedly realize it was one of those, ‘you don’t miss them till they’re gone’ things. We’ve now ended up with a generation who think agencies, umbrella companies, zero contract hours and the minimum wage are normal. Those few who are doing well today will be crying when they lose their homes and jobs in the next recession and those who are working for a pittance will try and convince themselves so should everyone else.
The price of a packet of ■■■■ an hour for a professional driver/labourer and we should be grateful? (Got my anarchist head on today)