Anyone have any experience of agencies?

I’m wondering if anyone has any experience working for an agency on either side of the coin.

I’m curious to know what is the actual process for the employee. Having never used an agency before, I am a bit sceptical about using one since they seem to get a bit of a bad reputation.

From what I gather you register with one, then they take your CV and look for an employer suitable for you.
Do they send you for an interview with the company and hope that you get the job?
If so, whats to stop the company just offering you a contract and by-passing the recruitment agency?

Do you get paid from the company or does the recruitment agency pay you after getting their money from the employer? Or do they take a percentage of your wage? Are wages for agency work better than working direct for a company?

What would happen if the worker decides that he doesn’t like the job? Can they ask for something else or are they contractually obliged to see out the contract term?

What happens with sick pay and holiday pay?

Sorry, if I am being very naive here, but i’m new to this and don’t want to get messed around since I’ve heard that its a driver’s market at the moment with lots of jobs out there. Just weighing up the pros and cons of different options before I rush into anything.

Cheers

I work through agencies right now. Basically you have to go in and register, fill out an application form and give them your bank details, and they’ll “put you on the system” and if there’s work you’ll get it. Most of them now use “umbrella companies” to do payroll; they can either pay you through a limited company or on PAYE. Note: the umbrella company will deduct a fee for processing tax, NI etc which will mean your hourly rate is less than the one you’ll be quoted when you agree to do a job.

They don’t all require a CV, at least not for ad hoc (relief) work. You tell them who you’ve been working for and in what industries, and what sort of work you want to do (which industries, days/nights etc). For permanent jobs the client might want a CV and they will arrange the interviews. You’ll then work as the agency’s employees for the first couple of months and then transfer to the client’s own payroll.

The agency charges a “finder’s fee” for companies that take on drivers that have done agency work. That’ll be in the contract and if they find out, they can sue the employer or send a “cease and desist” letter which can result in you losing the job.

Wages are sometimes better than being on the company’s payroll, but directly employed drivers are entitled to holiday pay — with agencies, you often have this paid up-front so when you take a holiday, it’s unpaid. You don’t see the amount the client pays the agency; it’s a lot more than they pay you.

If you go to a job and don’t like it, theoretically you can just leave, but then the agency is well within its rights to not offer you any more work. There are a few legitimate reasons to do this, e.g. an unroadworthy vehicle, but you shouldn’t do it often. It’s better to see out the first day and tell the agency early on that you can’t do the rest of the week, if it’s several days. (They may still threaten to drop you even if you have a serious reason, such as not being able to find parking anything like conveniently. This tends to be the small agencies rather than the chains such as Driver Hire, Best Connection and Drivers Direct.) The client can drop you any time they like for any reason they like; you’ll get paid for work already done but nothing else, even if you’d been promised a whole week’s work.

As an agency driver you’ll likely have to do a mixture of work. Where I am (SW London) I can sometimes get weeks of class 1 work and then none for another few weeks. You’ll get quite a variety of types of work but quite a bit of nasty work too. You’ll also get, at most, mid-range gear — I’ve never driven anything more powerful than 460hp, for example.

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Gazz_:
Sorry, if I am being very naive here, but i’m new to this and don’t want to get messed around since I’ve heard that its a driver’s market at the moment with lots of jobs out there. Just weighing up the pros and cons of different options before I rush into anything.

Cheers

I have done agency work on and off for years, they can be ok if your circumstances suit it, the agency pays you direct, the employer pays the agency, the agency makes money by charging you out at a higher rate than you receive. You do receive holiday pay as you will accrue this by the amount of time you have worked for them, sick pay does not normally enter into the equation. Some positives with agency work is you get a variety of jobs, gain experience and are free to walk away or not to take any work offered. Down side is not much in the way of a guarantee of regular work. If you do the job and get no bad comments from any of their contracts you can get a decent amount of work from them when it suits you. I have never had any bad dealings with the ones I have used although I have walked away from a few jobs that they have given me. Pay has never been an issue though.

Gazz_:
I’m wondering if anyone has any experience working for an agency on either side of the coin… etc

I was working for an agency for a while, then we decided to buy the agency, at the same time we purchased a small haulage company.

We run both separately, but they compliment each other.

We do take some drivers on - on their limited company status. But we prefer to take drivers on a casual basis and pay them PAYE.

As a PAYE employee you have all the same rights as any employee with any company… holiday pay, pensions etc.

As we expand the haulage side of our business, we have been able to offer full-time employment to the agency drivers who want it.

Many don’t because the ad-hoc - work when they want it - works better for them.

Basically, those who work more than 15 hours per week are considered full time employed and reap the benefits that go with that.

Where you live will dictate the availability of work and the rates you can expect in that area.

Without doubt, many agencies advertise work when they do not have it. Be aware :exclamation: :exclamation: :exclamation:

I’ve had a few drivers in full-time work contact us, asking if they should pack their job in because they have heard agency work pays much better.

My advice is always… be very very careful. Any agency that promises to keep you busy is being less than honest.
The rates for each appointment may vary and the agency sector is just as competitive as any other. None give two hoots about agency drivers. They are here today - gone tomorrow… almost more expendable than an ISIS glory boy.

You should expect to be very very quiet during January to March.

If you have a decent job… stick with that would be my advice.

Gazz_:
From what I gather you register with one, then they take your CV and look for an employer suitable for you.
Do they send you for an interview with the company and hope that you get the job?

No. Truck driving agencies work completely differently to temp agencies offering placements for office workers etc due to the fact that haulage is a “just in time” sector where demand is based on a daily or weekly basis so your placements are usually based daily or weekly. Usually what happens is you sign up, the haulier will phone the agency saying they want a driver the following day or for the following week and the agency will send whoever fits the bill the best or next on the list if they don’t have anyone.

If so, whats to stop the company just offering you a contract and by-passing the recruitment agency?

The contract they sign with the agency which has a penalty of 13 weeks wages if they take you on.

Do you get paid from the company or does the recruitment agency pay you after getting their money from the employer? Or do they take a percentage of your wage? Are wages for agency work better than working direct for a company?

You are paid directly by the agency the following week regardless of whether or not they’ve been paid by their client. The agency charges the client one hourly rate and they pay you another.

What would happen if the worker decides that he doesn’t like the job? Can they ask for something else or are they contractually obliged to see out the contract term?

Some walk off the job, the more scrupulous ones phone up the agency and if the agency can put someone else in they can. As the vast majority of placements are on a daily or weekly basis it isn’t the end of the world to see out the week.

What happens with sick pay and holiday pay?

If you are signed up to the agency as PAYE you get SSP, holiday pay and the workplace pension the same as any other employee.

I’ve heard that its a driver’s market at the moment with lots of jobs out there. Just weighing up the pros and cons of different options before I rush into anything.

Cheers

It is if you’re competent. It hasn’t quite got to the point of the mid 2000’s where you’d get full time work no matter how useless you are.

Gazz_:
I’m wondering if anyone has any experience working for an agency on either side of the coin.

I’m curious to know what is the actual process for the employee. Having never used an agency before, I am a bit sceptical about using one since they seem to get a bit of a bad reputation.

From what I gather you register with one, then they take your CV and look for an employer suitable for you.
Do they send you for an interview with the company and hope that you get the job?
If so, whats to stop the company just offering you a contract and by-passing the recruitment agency?

Do you get paid from the company or does the recruitment agency pay you after getting their money from the employer? Or do they take a percentage of your wage? Are wages for agency work better than working direct for a company?

What would happen if the worker decides that he doesn’t like the job? Can they ask for something else or are they contractually obliged to see out the contract term?

What happens with sick pay and holiday pay?

Sorry, if I am being very naive here, but i’m new to this and don’t want to get messed around since I’ve heard that its a driver’s market at the moment with lots of jobs out there. Just weighing up the pros and cons of different options before I rush into anything.

Cheers

I think you will probably regret asking this question,just wait for the usual ■■■■■■■■■■ to turn up.

Do not except Umbrella. Insist on real paye or look elsewhere .Umbrella is a con these parasites use .

I dipped my toe in agency work when I was between jobs and decided on an agency that had a few of there own trucks as I pursue my hobby from May to Sept so outside these times I was happy to tramp in there own trucks.
i must say after a sticky first day (how they can misunderstand I won’t do cage work I don’t know) but the rest of the week was all cushty and I took home £420 for 4 days work and that was roughly 12hrs a day.
As it was the wife got twitchy with me not being in full time employment but luckily i found the perfect job for me with a boss considerate to my hobby.
Like always there are good and bad agencies but the one I chose were spot on.

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IndigoJo:

truckertang:
i must say after a sticky first day (how they can misunderstand I won’t do cage work I don’t know) but the rest of the week was all cushty and I took home £420 for 4 days work and that was roughly 12hrs a day.

You do mean £420 a day for 4 days work, don’t you?

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I wouldn’t have thought so, that would amount to an hourly rate of around £45.

WTF ■■?

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The main thing people dislike about agencies is the office politik of it all.

Essentially, you get lied to in the name of effective staff management. Lied to all the damned time.

That’s not a problem if you have mutual lines of agreement in how best to get work assignments done and all

…But it’s disaster if one is actually trying to have a life between shifts whilst working at said agency! :frowning:

Beetlejuice:
Do not except Umbrella. Insist on real paye or look elsewhere .Umbrella is a con these parasites use .

If we didn’t except Umbrella - we would be accepting it all the time instead. :stuck_out_tongue:

“See if you can’t knock it down.”

I usually get what shifts I want all the time. Typical 4 week pattern involves working 3 nights a week for 2 weeks, 4 nights for the other 2 weeks. Managing to pull back approx £1500 take home for that. All this means I have a better work life balance which makes for a healthier and happier me. As for the quiet period at the start of the year I’m able to do bank work elsewhere.

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Can’t say i have a bad experience with agencies as such,reason being that i haven’t found an agency yet that actually had the job they advertised…

When you sign up the agreement you sign says they don’t have to offer you work and if/ when they do you don’t have to accept it, of course if you turn down stuff right from the off they’re unlikely to give you a call unless absolutely desperate.

There’s a pecking order for drivers in most agencies, starting now might work out okay as those at the top of the pecking order that have worked where they want right through the summer will be taking their holidays, possibly giving you a shot at some of the jobs that no-one except them gets a sniff at during the summer months.

Some jobs are day to day bookings, others weekly, others longer.

If you don’t like any particular job then let the agency know, it won’t stop them offering it again ‘as it’s all we have’ - sometimes a lie, the client needs a bum on the seat, the agency staffs’ bonuses depends on them putting a bum on that seat, you might actually be the only available driver to them to sit on that seat for the day, but not necessarily the only work they need drivers for, a regular client will get preferential treatment over someone ringing around all the agencies in the area to get a bum on that seat.

When work is in short supply if one of the drivers higher up the pecking order gets cancelled you may well be cancelled in their favour (you probably won’t be told though), you may or may not get offered something else instead, often something that nobody else would touch if you do.

If you don’t like a place then try to see out your day but let the agency know as early as possible why you hate it and not to send you back there, in some circumstances advise them not to send anybody there, ever!

If asked to drive a defective vehicle stand your ground, refuse, inform the agency immediately and if its not resolved to your liking, walk! Understandably tough to do if you need the money badly, but it’ll cost you a lot more if you get pulled by the DVSA.

Do they send you for an interview with the company and hope that you get the job?
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No. Truck driving agencies work completely differently to temp agencies offering placements for office workers etc due to the fact that haulage is a “just in time” sector where demand is based on a daily or weekly basis so your placements are usually based daily or weekly. Usually what happens is you sign up, the haulier will phone the agency saying they want a driver the following day or for the following week and the agency will send whoever fits the bill the best or next on the list if they don’t have anyone.

Agreed I stay away from the non driving special agency’s as they are sometimes just looking for 1 driver and they are more choosy. The hours are usually low with theese agencys and now just avoid them they are all worth giving a swerve in my opinion.
Agency work don’t suit everyone but I prefer it and it works both ways you can tell them to shove the job no problems. Full time work they can take the miky out of you but there is very little you can do about it legally unless you’ve been there 2 years anyway.

Winseer:

Beetlejuice:
Do not except Umbrella. Insist on real paye or look elsewhere .Umbrella is a con these parasites use .

If we didn’t except Umbrella - we would be accepting it all the time instead. :stuck_out_tongue:

“See if you can’t knock it down.”

Tedious bore.

Harry Monk:
I wouldn’t have thought so, that would amount to an hourly rate of around £45.

Yeah, got a bit confused there; deleted the post.

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I’ve had a few agency experiences and found them to be OK.
My first limping gig saw me being taken on full time albeit with the drop in pay but regular/ more secure income.

Second time I went on the limp was OK to, just needed it to get back in the saddle after 10 years off.

As mentioned things can go quiet after crimbo but for the special drivers there’s usually some work about even in the quiet times.

All in all good to gain experience till a proper job comes along :wink: