When will you screw drivers realise it’s not about getting the load from a to b with out it moving ,it’s about what if I have to stop quick ,swerve ect ect.
The driver got the sack for ditching the lorry on a straight rd ,may be if he’d strapped the load properly and not left a gap between the pallets the operator wouldnt have had a £25,000 claim to deal with .
Very little thought or effort has gone into securing that load of paper so the driver deserves everything coming to him. If he had pulled the straps on the o/s across to secure the n/s pallets, or better still taken the time to loop them together as well to apply more force, then he just might have got away with a bollocking, as it was it seems to have been too much trouble.
Out of curiosity is there a fine if a driver hits a bridge? Or just a bollocking and probably the sack?
6 points and a careless driving is where it starts.
trevHCS:
Alfa1M:
Irrelevant what any driver thinks about strapping …That’s essentially it, the rules might be daft sometimes but unless we can get those MPs to change them then we’re effectively ■■■■■■■ in the wind.
Regarding the paper, I would probably do a ratchet strap then a couple of pallets on double internals and repeat. That should keep it under regulations, using double intetnals should give a max of 800kg per pallet and it also shows willing which goes a long way towards the attitude test.
As for not opening the trailer / curtains, good luck with that one. For starters VOSA / DVSA inspectors do carry warrant cards so they’d most likely just call the police, have you arrested for obstruction and then open it. Then find every little thing they could gave you for.
Oh and yes they are doing a lot of checks from M62 upwards even with no prior suggestion of a problem. Saw them near birch services last week at midnight.
Can the law actually make you though? The police can only search a vehicle with their powers for drugs, stolen items, or prohibited articles. Load security doesn’t come under the purpose of a search under PACE or the misuse of drugs act. Maybe it comes somewhere in the road traffic act? I’d be interested to know what law or power they can use to actually make you open it up. Everything else they’d need a warrant for, but they wouldn’t have grounds to detain you to get it and by the time they’d have got the warrant you’d have tipped the load. Silly and extreme I know. But I don’t like just doing things for people in authority without knowing the exact power they can use to make you do it. If they actually have a power then fine. If it’s just merely a request which most people think is a power but it’s not, then I object to it and will use it against them and in my favour.
DickyNick:
trevHCS:
Alfa1M:
Irrelevant what any driver thinks about strapping …That’s essentially it, the rules might be daft sometimes but unless we can get those MPs to change them then we’re effectively ■■■■■■■ in the wind.
Regarding the paper, I would probably do a ratchet strap then a couple of pallets on double internals and repeat. That should keep it under regulations, using double intetnals should give a max of 800kg per pallet and it also shows willing which goes a long way towards the attitude test.
As for not opening the trailer / curtains, good luck with that one. For starters VOSA / DVSA inspectors do carry warrant cards so they’d most likely just call the police, have you arrested for obstruction and then open it. Then find every little thing they could gave you for. It’s
Oh and yes they are doing a lot of checks from M62 upwards even with no prior suggestion of a problem. Saw them near birch services last week at midnight.
Can the law actually make you though? The police can only search a vehicle with their powers for drugs, stolen items, or prohibited articles. Load security doesn’t come under the purpose of a search under PACE or the misuse of drugs act. Maybe it comes somewhere in the road traffic act? I’d be interested to know what law or power they can use to actually make you open it up. Everything else they’d need a warrant for, but they wouldn’t have grounds to detain you to get it and by the time they’d have got the warrant you’d have tipped the load. Silly and extreme I know. But I don’t like just doing things for people in authority without knowing the exact power they can use to make you do it. If they actually have a power then fine. If it’s just merely a request which most people think is a power but it’s not, then I object to it and will use it against them and in my favour.
They can do whatever they want,they make you open it to check in the name of road safety,if there not happy they can put a prohibition notice on you until they are happy that it’s safe to move.
Can they make you do whatever they want or do they just make us all think that? They need powers written in to law to actually be able to make us. Otherwise it’s just a request that they make us all think is the law because we don’t know any better.
DickyNick:
Can they make you do whatever they want or do they just make us all think that? They need powers written in to law to actually be able to make us. Otherwise it’s just a request that they make us all think is the law because we don’t know any better.
If they can put a chain though your wheels and park you up for 45 hour then I would guess they can make you open your trailer.
You can go on Gov website it tells you who can stop you and do what,Vosa(Dvsa as they like now) and police are only two…
Yorkielad:
DickyNick:
Can they make you do whatever they want or do they just make us all think that? They need powers written in to law to actually be able to make us. Otherwise it’s just a request that they make us all think is the law because we don’t know any better.If they can put a chain though your wheels and park you up for 45 hour then I would guess they can make you open your trailer.
You can go on Gov website it tells you who can stop you and do what,Vosa(Dvsa as they like now) and police are only two…
It’s actuwlly very vague what their powers are on there. Not clear enough considering they expect drivers to bend over and let them do what they want without us actually knowing what they entitled to do by law
DickyNick:
Yorkielad:
DickyNick:
Can they make you do whatever they want or do they just make us all think that? They need powers written in to law to actually be able to make us. Otherwise it’s just a request that they make us all think is the law because we don’t know any better.If they can put a chain though your wheels and park you up for 45 hour then I would guess they can make you open your trailer.
You can go on Gov website it tells you who can stop you and do what,Vosa(Dvsa as they like now) and police are only two…It’s actuwlly very vague what their powers are on there. Not clear enough considering they expect drivers to bend over and let them do what they want without us actually knowing what they entitled to do by law
Why are you worrying about it?
It’s their job to check vehicles for road worthiness, load security is clearly relevant to roadworthiness so how would they do their job without being able to check inside trailers?
Making a fuss about letting them look will do you absolutely no favours at all, ultimately they are the ones in the driving seat with the ability to waste your time & ruin your day with fines so it’s in your own interest to pass the attitude test and cooperate. If you didn’t bother strapping your load then that’s your own risk gone wrong.
Punchy Dan:
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The driver got the sack for ditching the lorry on a straight rd ,may be if he’d strapped the load properly and not left a gap between the pallets the operator wouldnt have had a £25,000 claim to deal with .
Maybe the bill would have been bigger if the load hadn’t fallen off, like a new cab as the whole lot laid on its side, or a twisted chassis from the crash or the recovery?
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newmercman:
Punchy Dan:
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The driver got the sack for ditching the lorry on a straight rd ,may be if he’d strapped the load properly and not left a gap between the pallets the operator wouldnt have had a £25,000 claim to deal with .Maybe the bill would have been bigger if the load hadn’t fallen off, like a new cab as the whole lot laid on its side, or a twisted chassis from the crash or the recovery?
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That’s always the feeling I get when I hear of a new “guideline” or “directive”. It’s invariably about saving money (or making it) for the government (EU).
The bit that annoys me is the touchy-feely “if it saves just one kitten’s life” twaddle. It’s a lie and most people can see it straight away. It instantly makes me disinclined to have anything to do with it unless forced to.
If they just said they want to save money, will you help by doing x or y, I’d mostly be happy to do so.
I’ve always felt that a shot load is easier to deal with then an overturned vehicle, and it’s not like they’re bothered about closing roads for far less is it?
The usual excuse is safety, what they mean is they’re scared of being sued. So effectively, we’ve handed over control of various professions to parasitical lawyers and predatory insurers.
Glad I got that off my chest! 
rob22888:
DickyNick:
Yorkielad:
DickyNick:
Can they make you do whatever they want or do they just make us all think that? They need powers written in to law to actually be able to make us. Otherwise it’s just a request that they make us all think is the law because we don’t know any better.If they can put a chain though your wheels and park you up for 45 hour then I would guess they can make you open your trailer.
You can go on Gov website it tells you who can stop you and do what,Vosa(Dvsa as they like now) and police are only two…It’s actuwlly very vague what their powers are on there. Not clear enough considering they expect drivers to bend over and let them do what they want without us actually knowing what they entitled to do by law
Why are you worrying about it?
It’s their job to check vehicles for road worthiness, load security is clearly relevant to roadworthiness so how would they do their job without being able to check inside trailers?
Making a fuss about letting them look will do you absolutely no favours at all, ultimately they are the ones in the driving seat with the ability to waste your time & ruin your day with fines so it’s in your own interest to pass the attitude test and cooperate. If you didn’t bother strapping your load then that’s your own risk gone wrong.
Nah, I’m not worried. I do fully strap all loads. I also get paid by the hour so they can waste as much of my time as they like. I got pulled once and was also polite with them and wasn’t obstructive in any way.
What don’t like though is not knowing what powers authority actually have because otherwise how do we know what’s legit and where they are just trying to pull wool over our eyes and making us think something is a power when they are only actually allowed to request it and we are allowed to decline.
I’d be interested to see in black and white what their FULL list of powers are, rather than some vague list on a website that just says the officers powers “include”…
Include would suggest they have more powers that aren’t listed there. And I don’t like that. Surely it’s only fair it’s publicly available to view so we know what the score is.
Nah, I’m not worried. I do fully strap all loads. I also get paid by the hour so they can waste as much of my time as they like. I got pulled once and was also polite with them and wasn’t obstructive in any way.
What don’t like though is not knowing what powers authority actually have because otherwise how do we know what’s legit and where they are just trying to pull wool over our eyes and making us think something is a power when they are only actually allowed to request it and we are allowed to decline.
I’d be interested to see in black and white what their FULL list of powers are, rather than some vague list on a website that just says the officers powers “include”…
Include would suggest they have more powers that aren’t listed there. And I don’t like that. Surely it’s only fair it’s publicly available to view so we know what the score is
Request a copy ,under the freedom of information act
newmercman:
Punchy Dan:
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The driver got the sack for ditching the lorry on a straight rd ,may be if he’d strapped the load properly and not left a gap between the pallets the operator wouldnt have had a £25,000 claim to deal with .Maybe the bill would have been bigger if the load hadn’t fallen off, like a new cab as the whole lot laid on its side, or a twisted chassis from the crash or the recovery?
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You have a point ,however this load was only 18 inches high at best .
to the driver who can strap a full load in 15 minutes…your a better man than i am…and i use approx 18 to 20…then theres the curtains and buckles…so i reckon around 45 minutes…but i dont care how long…so long as its done properly…and even if its fragile…as vosa once said before relieving me of £100…it has to be secured.
as for the bottles in the thinnest of cling film…these should be thick and heat wrapped…but the industry and vosa should get together…to determine ways of packaging…loads…or they will find that drivers like myself.will refuse to carry it…its my licence and my money at stake…paid it once…wont pay again. so if vosa are deemed the authority of safe loads…perhaps they should remind them that they too are responsible. or dont they care either way.
DickyNick:
Can the law actually make you though?.
The following bits are from this 2011 article:
commercialmotor.com/news/vo … s-analysed
Apparently prior to 2011 it was a bit limited to police and then certain stopping officers assigned by the local police constable. However from 2011 it comes under the “Road Vehicles (Powers to Stop) Regulations 2011”.
That extends the Road Traffic Act 1988 which allows the Secretary of State to appoint the stopping officers, so essentially pretty much and VOSA official.
I guess the authority to check the load is under “Vehicle roadworthiness inspections.” as its a bit vauge. I’m not a legal egg-spurt so thats all i can tell you.
There is a full list of what powers they have at end before the ads.
Punchy Dan:
newmercman:
Punchy Dan:
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The driver got the sack for ditching the lorry on a straight rd ,may be if he’d strapped the load properly and not left a gap between the pallets the operator wouldnt have had a £25,000 claim to deal with .Maybe the bill would have been bigger if the load hadn’t fallen off, like a new cab as the whole lot laid on its side, or a twisted chassis from the crash or the recovery?
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You have a point ,however this load was only 18 inches high at best .
I know what you mean, I’m not suggesting nothing gets strapped down properly, but a load of paper sheets or shrink wrapped pallets of pop or tinned food in a curtainsider doesn’t. It will not move unless you drive like a lunatic and we shouldn’t be legislating to prevent symptoms, we should deal with the cause.
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Drempels:
TheUncaringCowboy:
dieseldog999:
that looks iike 20 more straps than id have on that myself.
perfect example of the lunatics running the asylum again…beancounters at their best.Ditto.
Can’t wait to blow the horns at all the curtain sider balloons getting fined for not ratcheting their insulation and bog rolls as I toodle past with a fridge.
“Curtain sider balloons”
how do you strap ballons