It may not be on our roads but another example of no load securing
When I used to carry paper every row would be ratchet strapped. If it took over an hour to secure then so be it. I was paid by the hour.
I would argue that stuff that can’t be strapped should be carried in a hard bodied trailer.
Insecure Loads on Heavy Goods Vehicles…The Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency (DVSA) define a secure load as one which is attached to a Heavy Goods Vehicle (HGV) so that it will not fall or affect the vehicle stability and cause danger or injury to other road users. The driver and vehicle operator share responsibility for securing loads on their vehicles and could face driving licence penalty points, fines and even imprisonment for insecure load offences.The DVSA require that loads are secured to the vehicle bed to prevent 100% of forward movement, 50% sideways movement and 50% rear movement. They also advise that the internally fitted straps of curtain sided vehicles be used to secure loads of no more than 400kg in weight. You must also sheet any open vessels such as skips or bulk carrying vehicles when carrying loose loads. The DVSA along with the Police have the power to enforce the law concerning goods vehicle loads.HGV Insecure Load Offences & PenaltiesUnder the Road Traffic Act 1991 there are a number of offences that can be committed for insecure loading of Heavy Goods Vehicles. The legislation addresses the use of a vehicle in a dangerous condition stating:A person is guilty of an offence if he uses, or causes or permits another to use, a motor vehicle or trailer on a road when the weight, position or distribution of its load, or the manner in which it is secured, is such that the use of the motor vehicle or trailer involves a danger of injury to any person.It also states in relation to loads that causing anything to be on or over the road which could cause danger to other road users is an offence. blah blah blah.
DickyNick:
Conor:
axletramp:
Exactly. If that load is “insecure” thank [zb] I’m out of it now.You’d have to be blind to see that it isn’t secure properly. What the DVSA are looking at is that if the wagon turned on its side would the load remain roughly in place and contained within the trailer so when they come to recover the vehicle they don’t take 20 minutes to get it back on its wheels and another 5hrs picking the load up off the floor. If that was to happen to that load there’s nothing holding the middle packs in place so they’ll just tumble out and the whole lot would just end up a pile of boxes which would come out the side of the curtain when the trailer got lifted back in place. With a strap over the top of each row that would be very unlikely to happen. Had that been packs that were two wide on each row instead of three or four I doubt there would have been an issue as long as the weights were within the limits of the internals.
Its not about whether it moves from side to side in transit so much as what it’d do in an accident. When you watch Highway Thru Hell on Discovery which is about a HGV recovery company in Canada and they have a truck go on its side, if its a flatbed or curtainsider almost every single time the load remains perfectly in place, even packs of timber, so when they get it back on the wheels they’re not having to spend hours picking it up. Currently the way many UK drivers “secure” their loads, when there’s an accident roads are closed hours longer than they need to be because of having to pick up the spilled load off the road. Every hour a motorway is closed apparently costs the economy £1million. The police and DVSA have obviously seen enough accidents where recovery has taken longer due to picking up the load that it has become a big enough problem that something has to be done about it. As usual the blame only lies with those in our job such as those who take the views of our cowboy regulars on here.
But there’s a lot that’s over the 400kg that you can’t ratchet strap. Take drinks for example which most drivers don’t strap. How can you ratchet them when the bottles are only wrapped in cling film? Even with corners it will still just implode on the pallet once it’s gets to any kind of tension that remotely offers load security. The normal answer to this from others is “well put pallets on top and ratchet over them”. What driver caries an empty 26 pallets about with them just in case? And if you ask the place you’ve loaded at, oh can I just grab an extra 26 pallets off you for this load your going to get told politely no. So what are you supposed to do?
Simple answer is don’t use a curtainsider! Use a box van or a shipping container.
DickyNick:
Regional CVU working in the GMP area today inspect HGV find over 20 tonne of paper not strapped securely.Driver issued with GFPN and vehicle prohibited until load made safe
I wouldn’t have strapped that either, it’s shrink wrapped and banded to the pallets.
I might put a couple of straps across the back
Trukkertone:
Insecure Loads on Heavy Goods Vehicles…The Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency (DVSA) define a secure load as one which is attached to a Heavy Goods Vehicle (HGV) so that it will not fall or affect the vehicle stability and cause danger or injury to other road users. The driver and vehicle operator share responsibility for securing loads on their vehicles and could face driving licence penalty points, fines and even imprisonment for insecure load offences.The DVSA require that loads are secured to the vehicle bed to prevent 100% of forward movement, 50% sideways movement and 50% rear movement. They also advise that the internally fitted straps of curtain sided vehicles be used to secure loads of no more than 400kg in weight. You must also sheet any open vessels such as skips or bulk carrying vehicles when carrying loose loads. The DVSA along with the Police have the power to enforce the law concerning goods vehicle loads.HGV Insecure Load Offences & PenaltiesUnder the Road Traffic Act 1991 there are a number of offences that can be committed for insecure loading of Heavy Goods Vehicles. The legislation addresses the use of a vehicle in a dangerous condition stating:A person is guilty of an offence if he uses, or causes or permits another to use, a motor vehicle or trailer on a road when the weight, position or distribution of its load, or the manner in which it is secured, is such that the use of the motor vehicle or trailer involves a danger of injury to any person.It also states in relation to loads that causing anything to be on or over the road which could cause danger to other road users is an offence. blah blah blah.
I could have roped and sheeted it in the time it took you to type that diatribe [emoji23]
newmercman:
]…a load of paper sheets or shrink wrapped pallets of pop or tinned food in a curtainsider doesn’t. It will not move unless you drive like a lunatic and we shouldn’t be legislating to prevent symptoms, we should deal with the cause.Sent from my SM-G950W using Tapatalk
Would you say the same thing if the load was on a flat? because unless the load meets all the conditions of conforming with XL then the curtainsider is weather protection only.
cav551:
newmercman:
]…a load of paper sheets or shrink wrapped pallets of pop or tinned food in a curtainsider doesn’t. It will not move unless you drive like a lunatic and we shouldn’t be legislating to prevent symptoms, we should deal with the cause.Sent from my SM-G950W using Tapatalk
Would you say the same thing if the load was on a flat? because unless the load meets all the conditions of conforming with XL then the curtainsider is weather protection only.
Dead right cav551.
peterm:
cav551:
newmercman:
]…a load of paper sheets or shrink wrapped pallets of pop or tinned food in a curtainsider doesn’t. It will not move unless you drive like a lunatic and we shouldn’t be legislating to prevent symptoms, we should deal with the cause.Sent from my SM-G950W using Tapatalk
Would you say the same thing if the load was on a flat? because unless the load meets all the conditions of conforming with XL then the curtainsider is weather protection only.
Dead right cav551.
Yes, look at the Paul Gee thread, there’s a few pictures of Coca Cola Crusaders on there pulling sheeted flats, look how many ropes they have, only enough to hold the sheets on. I used to do the same when carting bottled vinegar around on a flat, just rope between the pallets to keep the sheet nice and tight.
I’ve moved plenty of stuff around in curtainsiders without straps, bagged cement and aggregates, boxed, tinned and bottled goods, paper, timber, plasterboard, chipboard, the list goes on, apart from a few internal straps over any odd pallets or over double stacked boards, the rest of it was held down by gravity. I’m not alone either as every other lorry loading at the same place did exactly the same.
As we all know, the roads were not littered with the debris of lost loads.
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newmercman:
peterm:
cav551:
newmercman:
]…a load of paper sheets or shrink wrapped pallets of pop or tinned food in a curtainsider doesn’t. It will not move unless you drive like a lunatic and we shouldn’t be legislating to prevent symptoms, we should deal with the cause.Sent from my SM-G950W using Tapatalk
Would you say the same thing if the load was on a flat? because unless the load meets all the conditions of conforming with XL then the curtainsider is weather protection only.
Dead right cav551.
Yes, look at the Paul Gee thread, there’s a few pictures of Coca Cola Crusaders on there pulling sheeted flats, look how many ropes they have, only enough to hold the sheets on. I used to do the same when carting bottled vinegar around on a flat, just rope between the pallets to keep the sheet nice and tight.
I’ve moved plenty of stuff around in curtainsiders without straps, bagged cement and aggregates, boxed, tinned and bottled goods, paper, timber, plasterboard, chipboard, the list goes on, apart from a few internal straps over any odd pallets or over double stacked boards, the rest of it was held down by gravity. I’m not alone either as every other lorry loading at the same place did exactly the same.
As we all know, the roads were not littered with the debris of lost loads.
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When I was green one of my first loads was a load of fizzy drinks, the only things I’d moved before that was sawn timber and round wood, which needed strapped down, obviously. I was stood looking confused as the strap in my hand would have crushed and damaged the goods on the pallet when a helpful driver walked past and showed me how to cross strap the back with internal straps and off I went.
Every palletised load I lifted since then in a curtain I crossed the back and left the rest, unless there was anything odd like those unwrapped pallets from coca cola. Not a single load lost, can the “must strap everything to within in an inch of its life” brigade tell me how that is?
Connor, I’m not disagreeing with you as such, but by those rules you mention every tipper in the country is insecure, as the contents spill out on tipover. A fly sheet won’t stop it.
Here we are again, professional drivers with many years between us totally in the dark as to what’s required.
newmercman:
As we all know, the roads were not littered with the debris of lost loads.
Correct, but they were, and are littered with the debris of lost souls.
newmercman:
peterm:
cav551:
newmercman:
]…a load of paper sheets or shrink wrapped pallets of pop or tinned food in a curtainsider doesn’t. It will not move unless you drive like a lunatic and we shouldn’t be legislating to prevent symptoms, we should deal with the cause.Sent from my SM-G950W using Tapatalk
Would you say the same thing if the load was on a flat? because unless the load meets all the conditions of conforming with XL then the curtainsider is weather protection only.
Dead right cav551.
Yes, look at the Paul Gee thread, there’s a few pictures of Coca Cola Crusaders on there pulling sheeted flats, look how many ropes they have, only enough to hold the sheets on. I used to do the same when carting bottled vinegar around on a flat, just rope between the pallets to keep the sheet nice and tight.
I’ve moved plenty of stuff around in curtainsiders without straps, bagged cement and aggregates, boxed, tinned and bottled goods, paper, timber, plasterboard, chipboard, the list goes on, apart from a few internal straps over any odd pallets or over double stacked boards, the rest of it was held down by gravity. I’m not alone either as every other lorry loading at the same place did exactly the same.
As we all know, the roads were not littered with the debris of lost loads.
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got to agree there , loading bricks out of accrington it was crane in air , load , crane down , clamp, get notes , go .
tony
ezydriver:
newmercman:
As we all know, the roads were not littered with the debris of lost loads.Correct, but they were, and are littered with the debris of lost souls.
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