adam277:
Shouldn’t vosa make it a requirement that all loads have to be inspected by the driver and secured before departure? No more sealed containers etc… I mean if Road safety is the priority.
Would go down like a lead balloon me thinks.
What have containers got to do with curtainsiders? The big metal container does a good enough job with securing the load from falling out.
With bonded curtainside trailers that I deliver when you pick the trailer up you do inspect and secure the load. The seals are put on at the security gate when you are leaving the site. I’m not sure if that’s standard or not - but I imagine it is.
Have been my job for the last five years and if I never have to open a curtainsider again, I’ll be a very happy man indeed.
Curtain siders…
Have been my job for most of my ‘career’. I had a stint on fridges a couple of years ago. If I never have to say to myself “arghhh, I wish that bloody fridge would let me sleep” again I’ll be a very happy man [emoji23]
Irrelevant what any driver thinks about strapping , what should be strapped, what you can get away with… the law is the law why chance it and then feel hard done by when your down the boozer on a weekend telling your pals.
Play by DVSA silly rules and no problem? Especially if your paid by the hr FFS
DickyNick:
Good for them. What about if your pulling a standard curtainsider without those?
Then you don’t take the load as the trailer isn’t suitable for it.
ezydriver:
Conor:
Takes no longer than 15-20 minutes to properly secure most loads.
It takes me that just to separate the ratchets and the tangled mess from what’s in the side locker.
That’s because you or whoever had the wagon and used them before you is a lazy sod as I posted above. £15 for a strap winder. Take the ratchets completely off each strap and wind each strap up and then its not a tangled mess in the side locker is it? You open the ratchets right up and lay them flat in the bottom of the locker, you place the nice neatly wound up straps on top of them. You probably spend more time untangling the mess because you couldn’t be bothered to spend that extra 5 minutes destrapping than we spend strapping the load down and taking them off and winding the straps up at the other end.
Alfa1M:
Irrelevant what any driver thinks about strapping …
That’s essentially it, the rules might be daft sometimes but unless we can get those MPs to change them then we’re effectively ■■■■■■■ in the wind.
Regarding the paper, I would probably do a ratchet strap then a couple of pallets on double internals and repeat. That should keep it under regulations, using double intetnals should give a max of 800kg per pallet and it also shows willing which goes a long way towards the attitude test.
As for not opening the trailer / curtains, good luck with that one. For starters VOSA / DVSA inspectors do carry warrant cards so they’d most likely just call the police, have you arrested for obstruction and then open it. Then find every little thing they could gave you for.
Oh and yes they are doing a lot of checks from M62 upwards even with no prior suggestion of a problem. Saw them near birch services last week at midnight.
If a load of paper or chip board is lying on its side the recovery people aren’t going to put it upright in one lift…
they will cut the straps (internal or ratchet) and lift the vehicle first, then start clearing the load…
and here’s a thought…
can anyone find any real fact figures of how much tension you need to apply to ratchet straps over any load ?
you don’t have to cut a pallet of pop in half… just nip it up gently…
but chip board needs to be tight cos it is slippery little sucker stuff.
Common sense and the right attitude on both sides with DVSA, and we shouldn’t go too far wrong.
Common sense and the right attitude on both sides with DVSA, and we shouldn’t go too far wrong.
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theres your sign right there as to why that never work.
beancounters with no experience of haulage implementing rules made up by superior beancounters with even less experience than the 1st lot.
speed cameras…fund raiser
insecure loads…fund raiser
minor tacho flaws…fund raiser
its all about screwing drivers as a cash cow for easy revenue.
if its not hanging off the side,then its secure.if it falls off with the truck remaining upright,then its insecure and fair enough.
they might as well start fining double decker drivers because they might hit a 15 foot bridge.
or stobart drivers because its only a matter of time before they deffo hit a bridge.
I have been alongside one of our drivers picking up bottles of beer.
We both at the time had the same model truck and trailer combination. He just closed the curtain and went. I strapped it using corner protectors and only arrived 20 minutes behind him.
Now if DVSA had pulled us both, who are they going to be more interested in.
El Deano:
We both at the time had the same model truck and trailer combination. He just closed the curtain and went. I strapped it using corner protectors and only arrived 20 minutes behind him.
You had 14 ratchet straps ready rolled to go, and you threw 13 over each row of pallets, and placed one across the back, and closed and clipped up the curtains in 20 minutes? Not to mention placing 26 corners on the pallets.
Were you doing this from the ground? Or a specially designed bay? Were you working alone, or did you have a bloke the other side?
El Deano:
We both at the time had the same model truck and trailer combination. He just closed the curtain and went. I strapped it using corner protectors and only arrived 20 minutes behind him.
You had 14 ratchet straps ready rolled to go, and you threw 13 over each row of pallets, and placed one across the back
Nah, only one per row of pallets. Although 170 straps would keep it secure. [emoji2]
El Deano:
We both at the time had the same model truck and trailer combination. He just closed the curtain and went. I strapped it using corner protectors and only arrived 20 minutes behind him.
You had 14 ratchet straps ready rolled to go, and you threw 13 over each row of pallets, and placed one across the back
Nah, only one per row of pallets. Although 170 straps would keep it secure. [emoji2]
DickyNick:
Regional CVU working in the GMP area today inspect HGV find over 20 tonne of paper not strapped securely.
Driver issued with GFPN and vehicle prohibited until load made safe
How far had the load travelled ?
How far had still to travel ?
Sorry but if that has gone 40 /50/100 miles down the road , unless the drivers a complete space cadet whats the problem ? Drive with care and attention and you will get there , no kittens or nuns squashed .
How can a load thats not moved or shifted be insecure ■■
There is a container in a recovery yard nr us that is as good as oval shape now after a roll. So whatever was in that was heavy and loose or if was secured of sorts they broke!
We just fitted straps that elastic from roof hook onside walk round ratchet up other, two lads on em so far, hour a time to strap up, with previous nets/inner curtains few mins or tad more if somthing needed a strap.
Conor clearly hadn’t seen a modern recovery lately, not many bring them back over loaded, usually empty first, thats time consuming, ive seen trailers slighy raised and curtain cut straps cut posts cut so load stays on road or verge as trucks righted.
Imp:
There is a container in a recovery yard nr us that is as good as oval shape now after a roll. So whatever was in that was heavy and loose or if was secured of sorts they broke!
We just fitted straps that elastic from roof hook onside walk round ratchet up other, two lads on em so far, hour a time to strap up, with previous nets/inner curtains few mins or tad more if somthing needed a strap.
Conor clearly hadn’t seen a modern recovery lately, not many bring them back over loaded, usually empty first, thats time consuming, ive seen trailers slighy raised and curtain cut straps cut posts cut so load stays on road or verge as trucks righted.
No, Conor is always right, you are wrong, the oracle has spoken and his word is gospel for he is always right and he knows everything about everything and he is right.
We’ll gloss over the fact he knows the square root of heehaw halfed.
He drives over the 66 with chipboard, don’t you know, something only he is capable of doing because he’s super amazing.
How can a load thats not moved or shifted be insecure ■■
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because some bucket of whale omelette involved with raising revenue for dvla invented a rule that says it is unless strapped needlessly and for no purpose whatsoever other than as an excuse to fine drivers.
the big player plobajob companies can comply easier as they will have better rates than most and can factor in an extra hours downtime for every load hence squeezing out the smaller mobs who cant waste the time so easily.
just another step in the stobart/tesco cabbage in a hiviz driver induction to dumb the job down even further.
Imp:
There is a container in a recovery yard nr us that is as good as oval shape now after a roll. So whatever was in that was heavy and loose or if was secured of sorts they broke!
We just fitted straps that elastic from roof hook onside walk round ratchet up other, two lads on em so far, hour a time to strap up, with previous nets/inner curtains few mins or tad more if somthing needed a strap.
Conor clearly hadn’t seen a modern recovery lately, not many bring them back over loaded, usually empty first, thats time consuming, ive seen trailers slighy raised and curtain cut straps cut posts cut so load stays on road or verge as trucks righted.
No, Conor is always right, you are wrong, the oracle has spoken and his word is gospel for he is always right and he knows everything about everything and he is right.
We’ll gloss over the fact he knows the square root of heehaw halfed.
He drives over the 66 with chipboard, don’t you know, something only he is capable of doing because he’s super amazing.
In my own personal annual forum bellend awards he doesn’t win every year but a podium finish is always guaranteed.
