Any drivers answer why were treated so bad?

tmcassett:
Strange isn’t it, he continually finds himself being caught up in “incidents” at places he is working at and subsequently gets shown the door. Then always comes on here protesting his innocence and that he was in no way at fault, nor rubbed the wrong people up the wrong way despite having a clean licence and in his words “an A+ microlise score”. Yet this never ever happens to anyone else.

Doesn’t it happen to anyone else? I’ve never myself been reprimanded or shown the door, but the sorts of conflicts and culture he describes seem perfectly normal in this game.

Perhaps the rest of us just walk out at an earlier stage. I think my record for walking out on an agency shift was about 2 minutes after arrival. I can think of a couple more times where I walked out before I got the keys, and a couple more again where opinions differed on the roadworthiness of the vehicle so I handed the keys back then walked out.

In fact I’m surprising myself now to recall how many times over the years I’ve simply walked out, and that doesn’t include more cases where I resolved during the first shift to make it the last. I never had myself down as such a prima donna!

Meanwhile, Winseer can hardly be faulted for his patience or persistence in earning a wage from these cowboy outfits. I think if we all put up with more nonsense in the first place, then we’d see more of what he does.

Winseer:
It is amazing how much time and energy you idiots give over to slagging me off, rather than paying any heed to the warnings that “others being popped off one by one” should be giving you…

I’d find it hard to believe that you’ve all had a real cushy year to date, all upside, and no downsides for anything, never see anything going wrong for anyone, no mishaps, all the work you can eat, automatic pay rises, etc etc.

This “Utopia” clearly isn’t the world I am living in, so do you all profess that it IS yours until I turned up,and ■■■■■■ in the proberbial lift, thus ruining that atmosphere for you all? :smiling_imp:

Personally I’ve not seen it myself. The only ones “popped off one by one” have normally dropped clangers or failed an attitude test without building up the credit in the back to be able to fail an attitude test. Oh wait… that sounds familiar :open_mouth:

Work wise, I’m no fan of my place, but its actually got better and we’ve worked all the way through apart from four weeks I had on furlough, which I asked for, but I also know that if I didnt ask I’d have been retained as I can cover all jobs - aka a useful idiot :laughing:

The culling of an RDC waiting room is one huge plus point to come out of this. I’m actually looking forwards to Tesco Middlesbrough tomorrow :open_mouth:

toonsy:

Winseer:
It is amazing how much time and energy you idiots give over to slagging me off, rather than paying any heed to the warnings that “others being popped off one by one” should be giving you…

I’d find it hard to believe that you’ve all had a real cushy year to date, all upside, and no downsides for anything, never see anything going wrong for anyone, no mishaps, all the work you can eat, automatic pay rises, etc etc.

This “Utopia” clearly isn’t the world I am living in, so do you all profess that it IS yours until I turned up,and ■■■■■■ in the proberbial lift, thus ruining that atmosphere for you all? :smiling_imp:

Personally I’ve not seen it myself. The only ones “popped off one by one” have normally dropped clangers or failed an attitude test without building up the credit in the back to be able to fail an attitude test. Oh wait… that sounds familiar :open_mouth:

Work wise, I’m no fan of my place, but its actually got better and we’ve worked all the way through apart from four weeks I had on furlough, which I asked for, but I also know that if I didnt ask I’d have been retained as I can cover all jobs - aka a useful idiot :laughing:

The culling of an RDC waiting room is one huge plus point to come out of this. I’m actually looking forwards to Tesco Middlesbrough tomorrow :open_mouth:

Yes, it’s true I have no clue as to those other hapless types being shown the door actually “deserved it for some indirect reason”, but it really gets my goat when I see someone else actually the real one to blame for the particular gaffe in question - shoving it off onto the “easy-to-blame” type, even if Catweazle (the one in question in the case in question) did or didn’'t deserve the boot merely to wipe the crap off some Rep’s face…

I’ve usually got on with higher managers, the ones who actually joined the firm AS managers in the first instance. Such people normally came from a background of at very least “Good Admin” back in the day.
It is the ones “made up from downstairs” constantly looking over their own shoulders, should they one day be caught out in some indescretion - that seem to be the ones I go around snorting at with disapproval of their ways, and they in turn - looking for false-witness opportunities to get rid of me “politically” (since ‘politicians’ are our society’s premier liars…) at the earliest opportunity. “Rules for thee, but not for me, or my mates…” Maybe we’ll get “Counter-Unions” one day, where a secondary union protects it’s members from the shenanigans of the OTHER Union’s attempts to side-shift blame, rather than just be up-front and honest about stuff, taking the punishments that go with such ■■■■-ups and bad behaviour as and when…

I recall an old set-up when a Sergeant in their 30’s would sometimes be a bit sneery taking their latest orders from a new, just-out-of-sandhurst Lieutenent , but would still lay on the respect of that rank, always using “Sir”… Then a Major came along, and Sergeant would call THEM ‘Sir’ too - but like he meant it, this time around!

I’m not sure if these Lockdowns have truly “culled the RDC waiting rooms” yet though, as likely - this “You can now stay in your cabs, albeit on the passenger side” rather than sit upon the knackered chairs, trying to watch BBC 24 with the knob ripped off, dodging attempts by Rab C Nesbit look-a-likes to “make conversation” as one goes… :unamused:

Once this lockdown is all over, it looks like Unions - will be bringing back the old “Treat visiting drivers as badly as possible” aspects again, mores the pity…
Let’s hope we don’t go back to the old “Exit Service road full of artics running out of time” like the bad old days prior to lockdown… “Were not allowed to take a 45 on the bays, even though they were there over 3 hours in the end”… :frowning:

You’ve been told countless times :

1 : do as instructed.
2 : go home.

Your endless drivel here shows that you see it as your duty to get involved in everyone else’s problems and act as judge and jury in their disputes and then wonder why everyone loathes the sight of you :unamused: . You really are lacking in the brainpower department.

Of course we can expect a reply from you no doubt refuting such claims as you “wouldn’t say boo to a goose”, then tomorrow there’ll be a fresh load of drivel as you recite another half a dozen altercations with the office staff, all initiated by you. :unamused:

Rjan:

tmcassett:
Strange isn’t it, he continually finds himself being caught up in “incidents” at places he is working at and subsequently gets shown the door. Then always comes on here protesting his innocence and that he was in no way at fault, nor rubbed the wrong people up the wrong way despite having a clean licence and in his words “an A+ microlise score”. Yet this never ever happens to anyone else.

Doesn’t it happen to anyone else? I’ve never myself been reprimanded or shown the door, but the sorts of conflicts and culture he describes seem perfectly normal in this game.

Perhaps the rest of us just walk out at an earlier stage. I think my record for walking out on an agency shift was about 2 minutes after arrival. I can think of a couple more times where I walked out before I got the keys, and a couple more again where opinions differed on the roadworthiness of the vehicle so I handed the keys back then walked out.

In fact I’m surprising myself now to recall how many times over the years I’ve simply walked out, and that doesn’t include more cases where I resolved during the first shift to make it the last. I never had myself down as such a prima donna!

Meanwhile, Winseer can hardly be faulted for his patience or persistence in earning a wage from these cowboy outfits. I think if we all put up with more nonsense in the first place, then we’d see more of what he does.

No, the things and reasons Winseer seems to get banned from places and never allowed back are not things that happen to others, certainly not on as regular a basis as it does him. If it was one incident and it was a case of one persons word v another and they sided with the other person then fair enough - these things happen from time to time and are not always resolved fairly. With Winseer it happens again and again seemingly. That is NOT an unfortunate coincidence.

The reasons you list above for walking out of places and never returning are to do with defective and un-road worthy vehicles and not the same as the things he seems to get caught in so not sure what point you are trying to make i.e he rubs the wrong people up the wrong way without realising.

Winseer:
It is amazing how much time and energy you idiots give over to slagging me off, rather than paying any heed to the warnings that “others being popped off one by one” should be giving you…

I’d find it hard to believe that you’ve all had a real cushy year to date, all upside, and no downsides for anything, never see anything going wrong for anyone, no mishaps, all the work you can eat, automatic pay rises, etc etc.

This “Utopia” clearly isn’t the world I am living in, so do you all profess that it IS yours until I turned up,and ■■■■■■ in the proberbial lift, thus ruining that atmosphere for you all? :smiling_imp:

Erm, yeah I’ve had a pretty good year all things considering.

No downsides from the work point of view. I work for a high street retailer in a unionised job. Had 13 weeks off on furlough between mid April - early July. Came back to work … no difference in my contract, hours I work, the job itself etc. Contracted to 43 hours and before lockdown 1 was averaging around 40 hours, currently in Lockdown 2 and still averaging 40 hours a week.

In September we all received a £100 gift voucher to spend in store and a £300 bonus in our wages as a way of saying thank you.

Can’t speak for anyone else though.

Winseer:
It is amazing how much time and energy you idiots give over to slagging me off, rather than paying any heed to the warnings that “others being popped off one by one” should be giving you…

I’d find it hard to believe that you’ve all had a real cushy year to date, all upside, and no downsides for anything, never see anything going wrong for anyone, no mishaps, all the work you can eat, automatic pay rises, etc etc.

This “Utopia” clearly isn’t the world I am living in, so do you all profess that it IS yours until I turned up,and ■■■■■■ in the proberbial lift, thus ruining that atmosphere for you all? :smiling_imp:

Speaking as one of …‘‘The Idiots’’ :laughing: …I wouldn’t say the year has been cushy and definitely not Utopian, but it’s been manageable.
6 weeks furlough over April and May, managed fine (in the sun) on 80% pay, and then taken back on and business as usual, in a job I’m quite content with…could do with better pay, but who couldn’t ? :neutral_face:

You see Winseer, the difference between you and me is that I don’t just naturally think that the world owes me a living, and if ■■■■ happens (as it does from time to time) , I just take it in my stride and deal with it, with no drama …and not resort to bleating like a baby on a public forum posting long winded and cryptic nonsensical gibberish, interspersed with points complaining (to anybody unfortunate to read it all) , how badly done to I am ALL the time, hoping to garner sympathy, and making a complete ■■■■ of myself in the process . :bulb:
Cheers…hope that answers your point. :wink:

I have been flat out this year, havent stopped. Didnt even get a chance of furlough. I even asked for furlough this lockdown and was told “no way, we are way too busy!”
The money I have earned this year is so far looking like its going to be my best ever. The downside is I’m knackered as all 3 of my holidays were cancelled this year and had to do some DIY at home instead. :imp: :imp:

robroy:

Winseer:
It is amazing how much time and energy you idiots give over to slagging me off, rather than paying any heed to the warnings that “others being popped off one by one” should be giving you…

I’d find it hard to believe that you’ve all had a real cushy year to date, all upside, and no downsides for anything, never see anything going wrong for anyone, no mishaps, all the work you can eat, automatic pay rises, etc etc.

This “Utopia” clearly isn’t the world I am living in, so do you all profess that it IS yours until I turned up,and ■■■■■■ in the proberbial lift, thus ruining that atmosphere for you all? :smiling_imp:

Speaking as one of …‘‘The Idiots’’ :laughing: …I wouldn’t say the year has been cushy and definitely not Utopian, but it’s been manageable.
6 weeks furlough over April and May, managed fine (in the sun) on 80% pay, and then taken back on and business as usual, in a job I’m quite content with…could do with better pay, but who couldn’t ? :neutral_face:

You see Winseer, the difference between you and me is that I don’t just naturally think that the world owes me a living, and if [zb] happens (as it does from time to time) , I just take it in my stride and deal with it, with no drama …and not resort to bleating like a baby on a public forum posting long winded and cryptic nonsensical gibberish, interspersed with points complaining (to anybody unfortunate to read it all) , how badly done to I am ALL the time, hoping to garner sympathy, and making a complete ■■■■ of myself in the process . :bulb:
Cheers…hope that answers your point. :wink:

I’m not a people person, I get that… Working flat-out is no problem, providing I then don’t get moaned at for booking so many hours, because there’s always someone else who can rush-rush it in less…
If we all played the “Live and let Live” game, where I don’t give a ■■■■ about how much you are earning, providing you don’t step on my feet over mine - we all get along fine.

I’m best when out on the road, and worst - being forced to socialize with people that get on my ■■■■. :neutral_face:

Winseer:
I’m best when out on the road, and worst - being forced to socialize with people that get on my ■■■■. :neutral_face:

To be fair the best of the best distance trunk runs will still mean having to deal with dock staff at each end of the run.
No real need to get upset with them just because they want to make a start on tipping the trailer before you’ve uncoupled and dropped it.
If you were able to moan at em you would just as easily have been able to tell them that it’s uncoupled and you’re now going to drop it with a bit of friendly banter like yer lazy zb’s you’re a bit slow making a start on it. :wink:

Look on the bright side obviously no one has said you’re subject to a collective agreement that requires you on the dock at a hub to tranship loads all handball and effectively if you’re back goes and puts you out of the job tough.

Don’t worry on that score Winseer,.I can NEVER visualise an occasion where you and I will EVER end up socialising . :open_mouth: …trust me. :smiley:

Carryfast:

Winseer:
I’m best when out on the road, and worst - being forced to socialize with people that get on my ■■■■. :neutral_face:

To be fair the best of the best distance trunk runs will still mean having to deal with dock staff at each end of the run.
No real need to get upset with them just because they want to make a start on tipping the trailer before you’ve uncoupled and dropped it.
If you were able to moan at em you would just as easily have been able to tell them that it’s uncoupled and you’re now going to drop it with a bit of friendly banter like yer lazy zb’s you’re a bit slow making a start on it. :wink:

Look on the bright side obviously no one has said you’re subject to a collective agreement that requires you on the dock at a hub to tranship loads all handball and effectively if you’re back goes and puts you out of the job tough.

Carryfast
you are so out of touch with reality id STOP right now before you post any more CRAP

msgyorkie:
I have been flat out this year, havent stopped. Didnt even get a chance of furlough. I even asked for furlough this lockdown and was told “no way, we are way too busy!”
The money I have earned this year is so far looking like its going to be my best ever. The downside is I’m knackered as all 3 of my holidays were cancelled this year and had to do some DIY at home instead. :imp: :imp:

I have been offered all the work I can eat as well, but just not at premium rates any longer.
I was looking forward to a long paid holiday when this furlough system was originally announced, but it has been left to employers rather than the employed to define “who gets” and “who doesn’t”.

I dipped out in the end because it would have been involving the optimum amount, had the system been fair and forthright, rather than “open to interpretation”. So a “pecking order” got introduced.
It was then an easy affair to drag up some past sins that I’d already been carpeted for, and I’d considered “cleared down”, to use the excuse so the agency then didn’t feel obliged to help me out.

Plenty of offers of low-paid work from other agencies, as it seems to be the case that “getting caught sinning” at the larger firms is directly proportional to the size of the pay and union presence at said firm.
Thus, at places like Royal Mail, I’m getting a bead drawn upon me the moment I walk through the gate, and now Supermarkets seem to be going down the same angle, a regimen where if your face doesn’t fit - you’re gone…

“Low pay, no union” firms however? - I’ll probably not run into such problems in the future. It easier to hide at such places, as well. The only trap to avoid - is getting out of this 55-84 hours per week rat race, which the higher hourly rate firms - won’t let you do so many hours, but lower pay rates - you find yourself pushing such hours - just to play “catchup” with one’s former bottom line, if one isn’t careful…

A difficult pill to swallow all in all, for sure - but my best bet for the future is to avoid all those shysters on the top platform who seem to think my behaviour steps on their toes all the time, rather than vice-versa when I mouth off about how appalled I am the way things like their own rules, and laws of the land are routinely side-stepped and double-standards abound. There truly IS no “respect and equal rights in the workplace” amount these Liberal-Left leaning firms.

It is NOT “Illegal” to drive an artic down Shooter’s Hill Road A2 for example, so I object to being lied to that it is.
It IS a legal requirement to report RIDDOR situations, rather than “cover them up” so the firm doesn’t get fined by the HSE.

But two arguments I’ve had with “officialdom” at the larger firms in the past…

Maybe I would have fared better over the years - if I’d been Jewish, Black, Gay, or Female eh?
Such is the dislike, that I’m most appalled of all at the level of dishonesty it has taken by firm’s old hands to put me in my current predicament, where I am politically destroyed, rather than just openly sacked on a whim that went down in print, the formal dismissal letter…

Any firm has got a right to sack anyone it pleases. It is time firms owned that, and just did what they felt they needed to do, without buggering around with this “office politik” thing, as if I were in a position to litigate… I stand about as much chance successfully litigating over any former “bad treatment” as Trump has of overturning this recent election… “Slim” at best… Why be afraid of just being openly abusive to me then? At least it would be Honest… I wasted 10 days back in April when I was just getting shifts cancelled at the last minute, because the Agency couldn’t be bothered to tell me that the main client had “let me go”.
That was dishonest of the Agency, but none of us would be surprised by such stock-and-trade behaviour from perhaps the biggest shysters of all.

robroy:
Don’t worry on that score Winseer,.I can NEVER visualise an occasion where you and I will EVER end up socialising . :open_mouth: …trust me. :smiley:

In that regard, this ongoing lockdown has allowed me to side-step all sorts of otherwise “pain-in-the-arse” social obligations…

Outside what firms have done to me, I’m pretty much well ahead in all other aspects, especially “Socially” right now.

This coming Christmas - is going to be the cheapest and easiest for me - ever, for instance… :grimacing:

JH Christ :unamused: :unamused: .

robthedog:

Carryfast:
To be fair the best of the best distance trunk runs will still mean having to deal with dock staff at each end of the run.
No real need to get upset with them just because they want to make a start on tipping the trailer before you’ve uncoupled and dropped it.
If you were able to moan at em you would just as easily have been able to tell them that it’s uncoupled and you’re now going to drop it with a bit of friendly banter like yer lazy zb’s you’re a bit slow making a start on it. :wink:

Look on the bright side obviously no one has said you’re subject to a collective agreement that requires you on the dock at a hub to tranship loads all handball and effectively if you’re back goes and puts you out of the job tough.

Carryfast
you are so out of touch with reality id STOP right now before you post any more CRAP

Everything I wrote there was reality.
As opposed to Winseer’s reality.That seems to be working well.

Mick Bracewell:
JH Christ :unamused: :unamused: .

:laughing: :laughing: : :laughing:
I know, priceless . :smiley:

Winseer:
…If you find you have no control over how many hours per shift you get planned for - try planning your working week so you can only work 3 shifts, so they’d better give you the 12-15 hours ALL THE TIME to get their moneysworth out of you… This is good when you have to commute long distances to work especially, as you’re cutting your commute expense and hours wasted by half - straight away…

Think about it: If you make yourself available ONLY 3 shifts per week - they are going to be force-feeding you 30-45 hours - week in, week out - because you cannot work over the legal maximium, nor work as long as 15 hours more than 3 times per week anyways… 30-45 hours - is a reasonable working week - isn’t it?

If you go in there saying

“I can do any number of shifts boss, any length - my tongue has sufficient spittle on it to traverse even those helmets with “Bartholomew” tattoed down the side of accompanying shaft I’m no doubt consented to being in advance…”

…Then guess what? - You’re going to be on 5-6 fornights with 15+13+15+13+15 week one, 13+15+13+15+13+15 week two for the rest of your natural life… 84 hour week every other week, init…

Even at Royal Mail hourly rates - you’re gonna find yourself ending up wrapped around a motorway bridge post by Thursday in week three… :open_mouth:

At my last cpc courses remember someone said that a tr planner cannot PLAN the driver to work 15 hours, the maximum they can plan the daily job for a driver is 13 hours and then the other 2 hours should be for an emergency situations like traffic, break down etc. Im not sure if that’s true or not but sounds just about right to me and I think most of the companies are taking advantage of this and make/plan the driver to work 15h. If there anybody in this forum who knows something about that please share the information with us!
Thanks

^^^ that someone on your course was talking ■■■■■■■■ mate. A planner can plan you for a 20/30/40 hour day if he so desires and it will be legal to do that. Illegality only occurs when they try to coerce a driver into breaking the law.

At the end of the day you (the driver) are the Captain of the ship and YOU decide how much/little work you are going to do.

HokayT:
At my last cpc courses remember someone said that a tr planner cannot PLAN the driver to work 15 hours, the maximum they can plan the daily job for a driver is 13 hours and then the other 2 hours should be for an emergency situations like traffic, break down etc. Im not sure if that’s true or not but sounds just about right to me and I think most of the companies are taking advantage of this and make/plan the driver to work 15h. If there anybody in this forum who knows something about that please share the information with us!
Thanks

In this job there are two ways of looking at aspects of it.
1…How things SHOULD be.
2…How things actually ARE in stark reality.

I think the bloke you are on about has the two mixed up. :bulb: