Any drivers answer why were treated so bad?

robroy:

HokayT:
At my last cpc courses remember someone said that a tr planner cannot PLAN the driver to work 15 hours, the maximum they can plan the daily job for a driver is 13 hours and then the other 2 hours should be for an emergency situations like traffic, break down etc. Im not sure if that’s true or not but sounds just about right to me and I think most of the companies are taking advantage of this and make/plan the driver to work 15h. If there anybody in this forum who knows something about that please share the information with us!
Thanks

In this job there are two ways of looking at aspects of it.
1…How things SHOULD be.
2…How things actually ARE in stark reality.

I think the bloke you are on about has the two mixed up. :bulb:

ROB , you mean
Fantasy , what CPC man says
Reality , what the Planner thinks

New pastures

I can relate to the things you say ,but I dont think it’s quite as bad as what you describe,if you can find a good job where you are treated reasonably,and it depends if you have other skills if you dont want hgv work.Hopefully,you will find a job where you dont experience these problems,no matter where you work,there is always someone who is annoying,or lacks respect.Theres always one idiot.

It doesn’t help when the mainstream media like to phrase articles in a manner that gives the low-information member of the public the misnotion that “Trucker Guy Bad” at all times…

dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … bbish.html

kentonline.co.uk/folkestone … us-244221/

The word “Truck” and “Trucker” used when both words are a total lie to use in this manner…

It is a shame we cannot have such a strong campaign against Cyclepathic types and flawed by four drivers in the same manner, but I guess that’s not allowed in the name of illiberal disunity…

I started a thread on this subject, but it doesn’t seem to be getting much traction, pun fully intended…

Notice too, that now the Evergiven Jam is resolved, no one is talking about how good a job the military regime in Egypt have done here, nor how stupid the authorities are by letting China register a vessel in Malta rather than Shanghai as “Flag of convenience”. Meanwhile, nowt got done about the vessel confiscated by the nasty Iranian regime…

Just remember they cannot make you do 15 hours or even 13 it your license your choice I chose to do 8 or 9 hours for the last few years of driving. It drove them mad that I wouldn’t do more. They started off asking politely. Then eventually threatened me quoting my contract says I must do as I’m told. Then the big boss saw me in his office and I said no problem when do you want me to leave as no matter what they said I wasn’t doing the extra hours. They never actually sacked me and after a while just stopped asking. Why? No because of a driver shortage but because I was totalky reliable. I was never sick on a Monday or after united lost to city. I was never caught with defects or infringements. Eventually the other drivers started noticing I got away with things. But the never understood how.

The usual way it used to work at Supermarkets - was that you got planned for 15 hour shifts, especially if your start time was 17:45 (nights begins @ 18:00) with a right-through rate, having you finishing at 08:45 the following morning paid at day rate throughout.

If you objected - you didn’t get asked back via that agency. That didn’t stop you from getting a shift at the same site via a different agency who pays overtime after 8 hours… So you get a shift planned where you are driving back in the gate at exactly 8 hours into your shift - so you can be sent promptly home on flat money.

The “overtime on agency” - never really happens. It is single time at best, and often a spanish inquisition if you were not actually planned for 15 hours - but booked that, or worse - Called someone out to get you “because you’d run out of time”… As if that were the Driver’s fault FFS…!

Do you really think people would deliberately hang out a job to book a couple of hours extra, when it involves an unpaid night out on a friday night FFS? “Unpaid” because it wasn’t pre-authorized…
That’s how tight-fisted some firms out there are though.

The boot is on the other foot now though, as agencies cannot get bums on seats despite them keep upping the rates.
Drivers have hung up their keys for the last time, and are not coming back to the world of 60-84 hour weeks over 5-6-5-6 shifts across 4 weeks, having to spend 6 days holiday to get a full week off, getting 90 minutes docked off a 12 hour shift for “unpaid break” etc etc.

It is better to have a stance on the other side of the divide by this point:
EE drivers - are returning home to their old countries, their economies in those countries having by this point recovered enough to have their cake and eat it in a job at home, where they are not surrounded by union members glaring daggers at them all the time… Who can blame them?

I’ve had it with “defined contributions” jobs. I’d like to see a return to “defined benefits” ones.
No more “open-ended contracts”.
The contingency is that during the lockdown - a lot of us have learned to get by on a lot less. Become “Professionally Frugal” if you like…

This means if one is offered by an agency “two weeks work, before you get banned at site again, 'cos nothing has changed” - I’ll simply turn it down flat, and they’ll have to pay someone else the extra ££££ to sit in that seat I could have sat down in for less - but didn’t.

If I get offered more than that though?

I’m still free to cherry pick the good stuff… It isn’t a question of “serving two masters”, but rather "not letting fear of not working - hold you back from trying out ALL options, not just those within one’s comfort zone risk-wise.

I’ve already experienced the worst this industry can offer. That storm has now passed though, and I look forward to the first multi-million yards that now go under because they garnered no loyalty from their drivers whilst they could…

This week, we saw Aldi up their full timer’s pay, whilst Tescos seem to think that paying Golden Hellos is the way to go…

We’ll see! :smiling_imp: