The case with regards to a driver being prosecuted for having 2 charts with the same date on refferred to the same shift, NOT the same date 
Itâs possible to have 3 shifts in one day in theory
Lets Say Mon 00:00 start 01:30 finish then 9 hrs rest 10:30 start 12:00 Finish
9 hrs rest then 21:00 start and so on, the only drawback is you have used 2 x 9 hrs in one day out of the 3 per week allowed, and youâve also done 3 shifts out of the 6 consecutive your permitted before a weekly rest, AND all 3 would be legal and have the same date on them. 
jessicas dad:
if you start at 1 am and finish at 8 am do you think its acceptable to start another shift with that card so 3 hrs into your next shift would you take out that card and put in another for the next 24 hrs.
I did the one Shift whit that Truck,then took the Dayshift over,and i got a other one at Nightshift then.
fred Kanka:
jessicas dad:
if you start at 1 am and finish at 8 am do you think its acceptable to start another shift with that card so 3 hrs into your next shift would you take out that card and put in another for the next 24 hrs.
I did the one Shift whit that Truck,then took the Dayshift over,and i got a other one at Nightshift then.
i dont understand you said you started at 1 am then finished at 8.15am then started at 20.00 which is 8 pm so that 11 3/4 hrs off so thats your next shift so different card.
if you started at 8 pm ( 20.00 ) what time did you finish remember you started on 10th at 1 am and finished on the 10th at 8.15 am so you then started on 10th at 20.00 and finished when⌠what time on the 11th
i finished on 11th at 05.30,but now i have a chart started on 10th and finished on 10th,and the other started on 10th and finishes on 11th.
Just,as i know is that ilegal,as i could shoot away the first chart,becouse,i dont have allways the same Vehicle,and no one would miss some Milage.
jessicas dad:
fred Kanka:
jessicas dad:
if you start at 1 am and finish at 8 am do you think its acceptable to start another shift with that card so 3 hrs into your next shift would you take out that card and put in another for the next 24 hrs.
I did the one Shift whit that Truck,then took the Dayshift over,and i got a other one at Nightshift then.
i dont understand you said you started at 1 am then finished at 8.15am then started at 20.00 which is 8 pm so that 11 3/4 hrs off so thats your next shift so different card.
if you started at 8 pm ( 20.00 ) what time did you finish remember you started on 10th at 1 am and finished on the 10th at 8.15 am so you then started on 10th at 20.00 and finished when⌠what time on the 11th
Either this is a Wind up or Fred needs to see his employer to send him on a training course for Drivers Hours Regs
How on earth can you consider chucking away a tacho chart just because they both have the same start date on them, you said yourself that you ended your shift at 8.15am then started again at 8pm Remember, if Vosa were checking the company they also check out time sheets, there are also silent checks where vehicle movements are monitored
Simple Logic shows that this is 2 seperate shifts, you are LEGALLY required to carry your last shifts tacho with you, therefore it is there for VOSA or the authorities to see that a rest period was taken between the shifts. Sorry but if you cannot grasp the basic of basics then Truck Driving is not for you Fred.
The talk of throwing away a disc and missing milage simply shows that either A) you work for a Cowboy company or B) you are trying to Wind drivers up
If you are still so concerned about 2 discs with the same date on them, try calling Vosa personally and get it from the Horses Mouth that 2 shifts with the same date on are perfectly legal providing a daily rest period has been taken between the 2 shifts.
fred Kanka:
Why,thats unlogical 
Youn are allwayâs the same Person,and since about 20 Year is a Tachochart specific for a Person,and not for a Truck or Company 
Dapper Scavenger:
In a 24hr period:
If Iâm driving in two different vehicles for the SAME company, I use one tacho chart. If Iâm driving two different vehicles for two different companies, obviously I have to use two charts. Agency joy 
eh? Whyâs it illogical? Gotta hand my charts into the company, donât I? So I gotta use two charts if Iâm driving for two companies in the same day. Like I did last friday - did 9 hours with a scaffolding company then 2 hours for a courier company (as a favour to a mate)
A Tachochart records in a Rolling 24 hour the Driver is doing!
The use of rwo Tachochart inba recording Periode is necesary,if the original gets tirty or brakes,or,2.)the Tacho of secound Truck driven needs other chart,or,3.)after 4th,or 5th Truck driven in any 24 hour,and no space onchart to not registrationsnumber.
Tachocharts are not to record Shift,Milage or Companywork,but,they are do it during the Recording of the Drivers Day.
Tachochart are be used on more Trucks in a 24 hour periode,were each Truck may be owned by diferend Owners,or Operators.
That i found in Books,Net,and whit other Drivers.m.
the shifts you have done are leagal as you have had the minimun required break bretween shifts
What it comes down to is the definition of the word âDayâ as it applies to the tachograph regulations. The definition of a day is;
Under EC/AETR rules âdaysâ are any periods of 24 hours beginning with the resumption of other work or driving after the last daily (or weekly) rest period.
So as far as the tacho rules go you begin a new âdayâ when you resume work after a daily (or weekly) rest, doesnât matter if this is on the same calendar day as you finished your last shift, so new âdayâ new disc. As Davey says you could have 3 âdaysâ in one calendar day.
I started work on Sunday morning and finished at around 00:30 Monday morning (BST.) I resumed work at 08:30 (BST) on Monday morning; I had had more than 4 hours rest during the day in two periods before anyone says that was only 8 hours rest. 
A new chart went in at 08:30, despite that only being 21 hours since the first chart was inserted, which according to Fred is wrong and I should have used that chart until 11:30 when the 24 hour period was up and changed it then. Bit difficult as I was on a motorway at 11:30 with nowhere to stop.
I do use two disc to record one period sometimes as over the water they do like to see a record of the daily rest period and if I am starting later the following day this would mean the tacho recording more than 24 hours so I change it at the end of the shift to record the rest, then change it again the following morning before starting work. this morning for instance I started work at 05:15 and was finished and parked up for the day by 07:30. Tomorrow Iâm not starting work until 06:30 so I put a new disc in at 07:30 and it will stay in until tomorrow morning, start and finish mileage is the same and I mark it as âDaily Rest.â Never had a problem with this method, in 15 years of doing it, in any tacho check.
Davey Driver:
The case with regards to a driver being prosecuted for having 2 charts with the same date on refferred to the same shift, NOT the same date
Itâs possible to have 3 shifts in one day in theory
Lets Say Mon 00:00 start 01:30 finish then 9 hrs rest 10:30 start 12:00 Finish
9 hrs rest then 21:00 start and so on, the only drawback is you have used 2 x 9 hrs in one day out of the 3 per week allowed, and youâve also done 3 shifts out of the 6 consecutive your permitted before a weekly rest, AND all 3 would be legal and have the same date on them.
OK,i mustnât be employed to drive a Vehicle were i need Tachochartâs.But there some holes in the Law.So,i could drive fife diferend Lorries in fife Hour were each one is owned and Operated by a other Company.What will i do whit the Chart?Will i use fife Chartâs,or will i cut it in Peaces to send each Company theres Part/
Davey Driver:
fred Kanka:
As you mean were it possible for my to let the First Chart at Home and donât tell anyone i drove at Morning
The Driver is LEGALLY required to carry all tachograph charts for the current week AND the chart for the last working shift prior to a weekly rest period,
What is not being considered is the FACT that between 08:15 and 20:00 hrs there was a period of 11hrs 45 minutes which had passed, therefore in similar fashion to the 45 minute break rule, once completed a new PERIOD begins, in this case a New SHIFT because 11 hrs had elapsed as rest.
Had the shift Ended at 08:15 and the vehicle was not going out again within that 24 hr period upto 01:00 hrs Sunday then by all means leave the disc in place to record the rest period if the company requests that, However, if the Vehicle is going on the road within the 24 hr period then no way can the disc be left in.
What really Alarms me here is the amount of votes saying 1 disc per 24 hrs, if thats whats going on then there is one hell of a lot of law breakers out there that must be changing discs midway through their shift Or they dont understand the regulations.
I will occassionally help out a local firm when an urgent job comes off for Germany or Belgium, basically because itâs being paid for a booze cruise 
Itâs normally doublemanned but times when it isnt and Iâm on my own, I would not dream of driving from Newcastle to Belgium then take a 9 hr rest and use the same chart to start again until the 24 hr period was up.
Look at it this way, how many drivers use a new chart each morning after a 9 hr restâ â ? You work 10 hrs then take 9 hrs rest, is it normal for you to use the other 5 hrs up on the disc then put a new disc in 
Of course you dont, so why the votes for 1 disc per 24 hr period
I understand you,but as i got a Warning from a other in advance,and i am be checked what i do the last Dayâs,makes my that thinking that there could be any wrong.
I couldnât find anywhere a Sentence,which would tell my,that it is ilegal,to use a Tachochart for the one Shift,and change it during the secound Shift before the 24hour are around against a other one.
it were just ilegal,if i would remove the Tachochart after 10 hour driving,to do the last 10 Minutes whitout,which is not necesary,as the Law alowes my to go over the Time,if i am in a Emergency.
Davey Driver:
Either this is a Wind up or Fred needs to see his employer to send him on a training course for Drivers Hours Regs
How on earth can you consider chucking away a tacho chart just because they both have the same start date on them, you said yourself that you ended your shift at 8.15am then started again at 8pm Remember, if Vosa were checking the company they also check out time sheets, there are also silent checks where vehicle movements are monitored
Simple Logic shows that this is 2 seperate shifts, you are LEGALLY required to carry your last shifts tacho with you, therefore it is there for VOSA or the authorities to see that a rest period was taken between the shifts. Sorry but if you cannot grasp the basic of basics then Truck Driving is not for you Fred.
The talk of throwing away a disc and missing milage simply shows that either A) you work for a Cowboy company or B) you are trying to Wind drivers up
If you are still so concerned about 2 discs with the same date on them, try calling Vosa personally and get it from the Horses Mouth that 2 shifts with the same date on are perfectly legal providing a daily rest period has been taken between the 2 shifts.
I just bring the Experiance of 15 Year Driving,as you want find anywhere a Officer checking your Chartâs whitout going confuse if there are two Chartâs of one Date whitout Reason.
One were,if a Chart ets Tirty,
the other,if a Chart brakes,
or a other Truck whit other Tacho.
If you start a Shift,makes your Brake after it,will you have in most cases a new Date when you start a new shift.
But,in that case started the First Chart at beginning of a Date.To do a secound Shift was just possible,as there were the Rest bedween 08.15 and 20.45 on the Chart
and,if someone means,that i am ilegal,i canât find a sentence,which tells my,that it is ilegal to use a Chart for a recording Period of 24 Hour,as it is logical,that no Shift goes so long.
fred Kanka:
I just bring the Experiance of 15 Year Driving,as you want find anywhere a Officer checking your Chartâs whitout going confuse if there are two Chartâs of one Date whitout Reason.
But there is a Reason
On Sat night you would have with you the chart from Sat Morning showing you finished at 08:15 the chart you are now using on Sat night shows you have started at 20:00
One chart per shift wherever possible is the requirement, not 1 chart per 24 hr period as you imply.
Obviously if you drive more than 3 vehicles then you may need to use an additional chart that shift.
Davey Driver:
fred Kanka:
I just bring the Experiance of 15 Year Driving,as you want find anywhere a Officer checking your Chartâs whitout going confuse if there are two Chartâs of one Date whitout Reason.
But there is a Reason
On Sat night you would have with you the chart from Sat Morning showing you finished at 08:15 the chart you are now using on Sat night shows you have started at 20:00
One chart per shift wherever possible is the requirement, not 1 chart per 24 hr period as you imply.
Obviously if you drive more than 3 vehicles then you may need to use an additional chart that shift.
Of Course
as i know,and found whit searching is one Reason for use of a secound Chart,when the original gets tirty or damaged,
the next Reson is,when the next Vehicle has a diferend Tacho.
as i could drive so many Vehicle i like,and for diferend Companies,in the Periode of the 9hour Drivingtime and 15hour shift,could i do so many as possible on one Chart,(Bedween two and Three on backside),and have to use then a New one But,i have to hold the both always together.
As that is to ensure Driver are not manipulating the Chartâs will i find it unlogical,that the recording on one Chart were ilegal,as by changing against a new one by Midnight would just a few Secound of the Time not recorded.
other question were if each Vehicle were operated by diferend Companies,to cut the Chart after in Peaces to give each one his Part.
fred Kanka:
So,i could drive fife diferend Lorries in fife Hour were each one is owned and Operated by a other Company.What will i do whit the Chart?Will i use fife Chartâs,or will i cut it in Peaces to send each Company theres Part/
5 charts. Cut a chart in pieces and you have committed an offence. 
At this time the results of the poll stand at:
Just one Tachochart for a Recording Period of 24 Hour! 60% [ 12 ]
For each Shift one Tachochart? 40% [ 8 ]
Thatâs 20 wrong answers so far.
Just one Tachochart for a Recording Period of 24 Hour! - No you can use more than one chart in a 24 hour period.
For each Shift one Tachochart? - No you can use more than one chart per shift if needed.
fred Kanka:
when there is a special eason,as i know.
for Exemple:
Chart gets tirty
Chart gets damaged
Chart has not enough Space on Backside,as too many Vehicle driven that Day.
Chart for next Vehicle is diferent then in previus Vehicle.
Couple of other reasons for you to worry about. 
When the next vehicle belongs to a different operator/company
When a chart is retained by an enforcement officer
fred Kanka:
Where is said how long can be the Brake bedween parking the one Vehicle and overtaking the other:?:
It doesnât say anywhere because it doesnât need to. It could be 1 minute, it could be 90 minutes, it could be 5 hours, it could be more. As long as you make manual entries on the back of the chart to cover the times you are away from the vehicle(s) it doesnât matter how long you are between vehicles.
There could be a situation where you remove the chart from a vehicle then put it back into the same vehicle later. For example a driver arrives at a depot where he hands the vehicle over to a shunter who will tip and load the vehicle while the first driver takes his break in the canteen/tea room. As the shunter will be moving the vehicle the driver must remove his disc and make a manual entry to show his rest then reinsert his chart when he takes the vehicle back over to drive it back to base. Careful records would need to be kept by the shunter as well as no doubt VOSA would cast a careful eye over this arrangement.
Gets more complicated by the minute doesnât it?
fred Kanka:
why gets each Officer around EU confuse and gives you a Fine if you use more Charts whitout reason whit one and the same Startingdate,as that were a help to manipulate
Just because they may try to fine you for a non existent offence doesnât mean you have to pay it, if you know you are right you can refuse. I can recall a couple or three occasions over the years when I have refused to pay fines for non existent offences. Digging your heels in and demanding to see the âChefâ will usually make the offence miraculously disappear. Showing them a copy of the rules and asking for the offence to be pointed out to you also has the same effect.
