just stohle someone my Bag whit Tachochart,s and other Document,s 
Had the last Day,s allway,s someone around watching my
If they are now happier 
,and may be there a System behind,that some more Drivers get checked by someone
is someone frightening that i found out somethings
I started Saturday the 10th of April 2005 at 01.00 a new Tachochart and finshed the shift at 08.15,went home till 20.00 and started again.
Now did they tell my,i have to do a new Tachochart,as it is illegal to change Tachocharts during a Shift.
I said,that the Tachochart must be used for a Recordingperiod of 24Hour,and its illegal to use two Tachochats on one Dy,as on both is the 10th of April 2005 the Startingdate,called “Offence”,as it would help my to burn one,to make a Controller thinking i hadnt worked on Saturday morning>
sO they called the Agency,one has to come to give my a written Order to use two Tachocharts for that Day,they would otherwise los theContract.
I call that:“Using there Power to make my doing a Offence”
You use 1 tacho disc per shift, the only reason they say to leave the tacho chart in for the 24 hr period is to record your rest period, but that is not compulsory.
If you were to use 2 vehicles in one shift because of a breakdown etc, then the proper procedure is to record the 2nd vehicles details in the space on the rear of the chart.
If you started at 01:00 Sat Morning and finished at 08:15 like you said, then returned to work at 20:00, common sense dictates that you could not use the same chart as come 01:00 you will commence recording over the Saturdays driving traces.
You cannot change a chart midway through a shift as all of that shifts data must be on the one card.
What if your second shift had involved driving a different vehicle, as you can only write one reg. no on a chart (except on the back) you would have to use a new chart. Is that correct?
On most charts there is room for, at least two other vehicles on the rear of a chart.
A few weeks ago a driver was convicted of using two charts for one day. The court accepted he had not been using the second chart to deceive, but held that one chart per day was what the law required unless there was a good reason for using a second.i.e a damaged first chart etc.
Using two charts per day has thus become a offence due to precedent set by this case.
daxi:
On most charts there is room for, at least two other vehicles on the rear of a chart.
A few weeks ago a driver was convicted of using two charts for one day. The court accepted he had not been using the second chart to deceive, but held that one chart per day was what the law required unless there was a good reason for using a second.i.e a damaged first chart etc.
Using two charts per day has thus become a offence due to precedent set by this case.
Is it true that there are different sorts of tachograph and therefore some charts might not fit the tachograph (if you changed vehicle), would you record manually on the reverse?
if you started at 1am and finished at 8 am then came back to work at 8 pm thats another shift which means another chart.
daxi:
On most charts there is room for, at least two other vehicles on the rear of a chart.
A few weeks ago a driver was convicted of using two charts for one day. The court accepted he had not been using the second chart to deceive, but held that one chart per day was what the law required unless there was a good reason for using a second.i.e a damaged first chart etc.
Using two charts per day has thus become a offence due to precedent set by this case.
Yes that i know
It was in a Trucker Magazin,printed in Gloucester,and they stood on the Court for that.
The Shifttime will be allway’s registered.Just,if i change Chart during the Shift will be a part on the one,the other will show the rest of the Shift.
In a 24hr period:
If I’m driving in two different vehicles for the SAME company, I use one tacho chart. If I’m driving two different vehicles for two different companies, obviously I have to use two charts. Agency joy 
Why,thats unlogical
Youn are allway’s the same Person,and since about 20 Year is a Tachochart specific for a Person,and not for a Truck or Company
Dapper Scavenger:
In a 24hr period:If I’m driving in two different vehicles for the SAME company, I use one tacho chart. If I’m driving two different vehicles for two different companies, obviously I have to use two charts. Agency joy
As you mean were it possible for my to let the First Chart at Home and don’t tell anyone i drove at Morning
Davey Driver:
You use 1 tacho disc per shift, the only reason they say to leave the tacho chart in for the 24 hr period is to record your rest period, but that is not compulsory.If you were to use 2 vehicles in one shift because of a breakdown etc, then the proper procedure is to record the 2nd vehicles details in the space on the rear of the chart.
If you started at 01:00 Sat Morning and finished at 08:15 like you said, then returned to work at 20:00, common sense dictates that you could not use the same chart as come 01:00 you will commence recording over the Saturdays driving traces.
You cannot change a chart midway through a shift as all of that shifts data must be on the one card.
I can to the Details of the secound Vehicle on the Back of the Chart
mrpj:
What if your second shift had involved driving a different vehicle, as you can only write one reg. no on a chart (except on the back) you would have to use a new chart. Is that correct?
there is case law here vosa and the police say that only one chart per shift maybe used so if you change veihcle then you take the chart out write the new details on the back and insert the chart the only derogation is if you are a shunter which require more that 3 veihcle changes in a shift or you use a veihcle with a different type of tacho head
i think im missing some thing here i stand by what i put earlier if you start a shift at 1 am then finish at 8 am then start at 10 pm your second shift is going to be outside of the first job 24 hrs i.e 1 am means that 24 hrs is up at 1 am the following day so when driver starts at 10 pm by the time first job 24 hr peroid is done he has already done 3hrs on second job so 2 charts is needed.
fred Kanka:
As you mean were it possible for my to let the First Chart at Home and don’t tell anyone i drove at Morning
The Driver is LEGALLY required to carry all tachograph charts for the current week AND the chart for the last working shift prior to a weekly rest period,
What is not being considered is the FACT that between 08:15 and 20:00 hrs there was a period of 11hrs 45 minutes which had passed, therefore in similar fashion to the 45 minute break rule, once completed a new PERIOD begins, in this case a New SHIFT because 11 hrs had elapsed as rest.
Had the shift Ended at 08:15 and the vehicle was not going out again within that 24 hr period upto 01:00 hrs Sunday then by all means leave the disc in place to record the rest period if the company requests that, However, if the Vehicle is going on the road within the 24 hr period then no way can the disc be left in.
What really Alarms me here is the amount of votes saying 1 disc per 24 hrs, if thats whats going on then there is one hell of a lot of law breakers out there that must be changing discs midway through their shift Or they dont understand the regulations.
I will occassionally help out a local firm when an urgent job comes off for Germany or Belgium, basically because it’s being paid for a booze cruise 
It’s normally doublemanned but times when it isnt and I’m on my own, I would not dream of driving from Newcastle to Belgium then take a 9 hr rest and use the same chart to start again until the 24 hr period was up.
Look at it this way, how many drivers use a new chart each morning after a 9 hr rest■■? You work 10 hrs then take 9 hrs rest, is it normal for you to use the other 5 hrs up on the disc then put a new disc in 
Of course you dont, so why the votes for 1 disc per 24 hr period
ooops 
missed that bit thought we were on about changing veihcles in the same shift (note to self read posts properly in future ) yeah id go with davey and jessicas dad
Davey Driver:
fred Kanka:
As you mean were it possible for my to let the First Chart at Home and don’t tell anyone i drove at MorningThe Driver is LEGALLY required to carry all tachograph charts for the current week AND the chart for the last working shift prior to a weekly rest period,
What is not being considered is the FACT that between 08:15 and 20:00 hrs there was a period of 11hrs 45 minutes which had passed, therefore in similar fashion to the 45 minute break rule, once completed a new PERIOD begins, in this case a New SHIFT because 11 hrs had elapsed as rest.
Had the shift Ended at 08:15 and the vehicle was not going out again within that 24 hr period upto 01:00 hrs Sunday then by all means leave the disc in place to record the rest period if the company requests that, However, if the Vehicle is going on the road within the 24 hr period then no way can the disc be left in.
What really Alarms me here is the amount of votes saying 1 disc per 24 hrs, if thats whats going on then there is one hell of a lot of law breakers out there that must be changing discs midway through their shift
I will occassionally help out a local firm when an urgent job comes off for Germany or Belgium, basically because it’s being paid for a booze cruise
Look at it this way, how many drivers use a new chart each morning after a 9 hr rest■■? You work 10 hrs then take 9 hrs rest, is it normal for you to use the other 5 hrs up on the disc then put a new disc in
As i will know,is it a offence to have two Chard whit the Startdate of the same Day,which is in that case the 10th pril 2005.
If i had started at 23.00 on 9th April 2005,and after 08.15 taken the chart whit my,i hafd done the Rest manuel on it,and used for the next Shift a new chart.
In that case was at 01.00 on 9th April a Fire in a Building close to the Yard,and Police evacuated all,which brought a lot of Trouble in the Logistic Planing,as you usually not do two shifts on one Day.
But,as you know:in an Emergency will you do a lot you usually never would do
Yea,and so do i have the Starttime from 10th on two Chart’s
OK,i noted on each Chart that there is another one,and why,but:Is it a Offence,or still legal
alix776:
there is case law here vosa and the police say that only one chart per shift maybe used so if you change veihcle then you take the chart out write the new details on the back and insert the chart the only derogation is if you are a shunter which require more that 3 veihcle changes in a shift or you use a veihcle with a different type of tacho head
Of course,and that’s the Problem,that the Officers who say one Chart for a Recording Periode of 24 Hour are the one who check you on the Road.
Just,where can i find that on a Page to print it for my Boss
stick a fresh one in. if it bothers you that much put a different name on it
if you start at 1 am and finish at 8 am do you think its acceptable to start another shift with that card so 3 hrs into your next shift would you take out that card and put in another for the next 24 hrs.