Drift:
Every one wants an answer and every one wants a reason, “Never the twain shall meet” the issue has sides that are at the very least a long way apart but what ever the compromise the gap will never close as per the quote.
Very nicely put across and I agree.
FarnboroughBoy11:
Drift:
Every one wants an answer and every one wants a reason, “Never the twain shall meet” the issue has sides that are at the very least a long way apart but what ever the compromise the gap will never close as per the quote.Very nicely put across and I agree.
Thank you.
Carryfast:
And as I’ve said I’ve provided a clear answer to that simple question.It’s not my fault if it’s beyond your intelligence level to understand that answer.
So you think the family’s of the recent deceased shouldn’t engage in any discussion in how things may be made better for potential at risk folks in the future.!!
Are you Carryfast going to carry on referring to deceased cyclists as squished, squashed and flattened?
In that case Iam out!
Carryfast has one answer, which is “get cyclists off the road and onto the pavement”. When asked awkward questions - such as “what do cyclists do when there is no pavement?” or “what if the pavement isn’t wide enough for pedestrians and cyclists?”, he resorts to petty abuse and repeats the same answer ad nauseam, usually including the words “suicidal nutters” and “mile wide pavement” several times.
Anyway, for anyone with an intelligent interest in this, here is a video taken from a cyclist using the Bow roundabout.
youtube.com/watch?v=ALXI4alojak
Two things are immediately obvious. One is that there’s a flyover on the right of the entry road, which is where most or all of the motorised traffic going straight on will be. Hence, any motorised traffic approaching the roundabout will likely be going left or right. The second obvious thing is that bikes are directed to the left of the main flow of traffic, from where they are clearly expected to go straight on into the section of cycle lane visible on the far side of the roundabout from the on slip. This is a recipe for disaster, and (I suspect) the reason for many of the cycle fatalities at this location. Personally, I’d completely disregard the cycle lane and position myself right in the middle of whichever traffic lane I needed, firmly in the drivers’ eyeline, but I can see how a less experienced or confident cyclist would use the cycle “facility” and believe themselves to be safe on it.
Here’s how I would do it …
youtube.com/watch?v=vtYmBa7n2BQ
Note that no one is held up or inconvenienced by the cyclists actually using the road, as they’re legally entitled to do. In my view, the cycle “facilities” provided here by TfL are actively dangerous, encouraging cyclists to ride right in the blind spots of motorised vehicles.
Rhythm Thief:
Here’s how I would do it …youtube.com/watch?v=vtYmBa7n2BQ
Note that no one is held up or inconvenienced by the cyclists actually using the road, as they’re legally entitled to do. In my view, the cycle “facilities” provided here by TfL are actively dangerous, encouraging cyclists to ride right in the blind spots of motorised vehicles.
Firstly you’ve misrepresented my comments concerning combined pedestrian/cycle use of pavement space in that I’ve always said wherever and whenever possible and in this case,like many/most others,it is possible.
In the case of your idea the most important aspect of what that shows is that the cyclist has resisted the usual dangerous issue of undertaking by stopping behind the van.Other than that positive it just replaces one flaw with another in the case of comparing a relatively high speed negotiation of a relatively light traffic conditions roundabout.That idea would become a lot less safe in the case of the average slower cyclist and lots of traffic moving around the roundabout such as in the case of trucks turning right at the side of the cyclist on entry and while negotiatng the roundabout.
Which then leaves total agreement that the cycle way as provided is no good in this case from all points of view in that it encourages undertaking by cyclists of traffic on the approach thereby putting the cyclists into a dangerous position on entry and while negotiating the roundabout across the junction.Which then leaves the issue of either my idea of cyclists using the pavement provision shared with pedestrians to negotiate the approach,entry and the roundabout,as opposed to your idea which,while probably relatively safe in the case of a fast cyclist with a relatively small speed differential between cyclist and motor traffic in light traffic levels and with no large vehicles to the right on entry and through the roundabout,but which would still provide no real safety benefit in the case of the average slower cyclist with lots of traffic on the entry and through the roundabout especially in the case of large vehicles turning right.
Well, I’m glad we agree on something 
, which is that the cycle lane in this instance is positively dangerous.
The main point about road positioning applies whatever speed the cyclist is going at, although I agree that you need some confidence to take up your lane in the manner illustrated in the video, and a faster cyclist is more likely to have this confidence. I also happen to believe that the best way to be safe in traffic is to match the speed of the traffic as closely as possible (one reason I don’t commute to work on a bike regularly any more, since it’s very hard to achieve this on fast A roads). I still have a fundamental problem with your idea that cyclists should use the pavement, for reasons I’ve already outlined, but I suppose we’re just going to have to agree to disagree on that.
After spending yesterday doing deliveries around Oxfords’ suburbs and encountering many cyclists, I discovered this.
The most sensible cycling I saw happened on the Oxford Road in Cowley (B480). There were no silly painted cycle lanes, no shared Carryfast paths etc. I gave the bikes room and every single one I came up behind either pulled into a turning just enough so I could pass, looked behind before overtaking parked cars etc. At lights and zebra crossings not one undertook me, or even attempted to nip around as I reversed.
It seems take away all these “make them special” facilities and they blend in with urban traffic and become just another vehicle to watch out for.
Muckaway:
After spending yesterday doing deliveries around Oxfords’ suburbs and encountering many cyclists, I discovered this.
The most sensible cycling I saw happened on the Oxford Road in Cowley (B480). There were no silly painted cycle lanes, no shared Carryfast paths etc. At lights and zebra crossings not one undertook me,
So notwithstanding the arguments concerning the benefits of shared pedestrian/cycleway pavement use maybe everyone can agree that stopping the issue of cyclists undertaking/filtering along the sides of vehicles would help in large part in reducing the statistics. 
I think everyone agrees cyclists getting up the inside is one of the main problems it’s how to adress and educate that is a problem
chester:
I had just started to read this thread and as soon as I read about loved ones deceased as being squashed, flattened as early as page 1, then I tend to not bother reading no more!Do you not think them families will try and do something in memory of their loved ones.
They will google truck cycle saftey which more often than not brings them to a truckers forum.Well done folks
In all honesty if it was me and I’d just lost someone I loved dearly then a few muppets on a forum wouldn’t really bother me, a loved one dying really puts things in perspective
The woman who died after crashing into the side of the cement mixer did just that, crashed into the side of it. I’ve seen the video and, defective indicators or not she should have stopped. She virtually committed suicide.
hammer:
The woman who died after crashing into the side of the cement mixer did just that, crashed into the side of it. I’ve seen the video and, defective indicators or not she should have stopped. She virtually committed suicide.
Of course you should stop if a truck decideds to cross your path suddenly and give no visual indication of its intention!
Edit…
Of course I know some cyclists crack on with know regard to other road users.
All Iam saying is its a two way thing.
Good and bad in every road user.
chester:
hammer:
The woman who died after crashing into the side of the cement mixer did just that, crashed into the side of it. I’ve seen the video and, defective indicators or not she should have stopped. She virtually committed suicide.Of course you should stop if a truck decideds to cross your path suddenly and give no visual indication of its intention!
Edit…
Of course I know some cyclists crack on with know regard to other road users.
All Iam saying is its a two way thing.
Good and bad in every road user.
I agree with what you’re saying, definitely it’s a two way thing.
However as truck drivers we go about our day thinking for ourselves and other road users as much as we can do we not? As professionals we adjust and make allowances for others, as they do for us as well.
That’s why it annoys me when cyclists the majority of the time simply do not help themselves which often results in them getting caught out and they pay the ultimate price.
I see they is a thread on a tragic incident on the A40
If I was to refer to the deceased as squashed, flattened etc. what would you think the outcome would be?
It’s the sanctimonious attitude of this site between cyclists and truckers. That gets my goat.
I view them both the same ie road users!
Some good news for Oxford City motorists; The firm that operates the Boris Bikes have gone bust according to the Oxford Mail.
chester:
It’s the sanctimonious attitude of this site…
sanctimonious
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Remind you of anyone, chester? 
chester:
hammer:
The woman who died after crashing into the side of the cement mixer did just that, crashed into the side of it. I’ve seen the video and, defective indicators or not she should have stopped. She virtually committed suicide.Of course you should stop if a truck decideds to cross your path suddenly and give no visual indication of its intention!
He was one the far right-hand side of the road doing a very slow speed, he swings across in front of her but she will have been totally in his blind spot.
As a cyclist she should have noticed the following;
She had plenty of warning. If she was in any way competent to use the road she would have noticed some or all of the above and stopped.
I know this may not be relevant in this case but cyclists with headphones on are asking for trouble I reckon.
Muckaway:
Some good news for Oxford City motorists; The firm that operates the Boris Bikes have gone bust according to the Oxford Mail.
Not surprised, all their customers keep getting flattened.