Riding your raliegh chopper round the streets of 1970s leatherhead on the pavement may have been ok but to put the massive amounts of commuter cyclists in central london with all the foot soilders isnt going to work.
Most of my car and hgv driving has been in inner london thats up to 70 ton low loaders round the city and west end as well as tippers skips and cars.
The cyclists have multiplyed 10 fold in the last 10 years. We need education on all sides as there are some shocking drivers in cars buses and trucks as there are cyclists.
Its easier to enforce training on drivers but very hard on cyclists.
Prehaps having police on the street stoping bad drivers and cyclists issuing fines and compulsary awerness courses like the offer for speeding may help rather than policing by speed camera and cctv isuing parking tickets.
The usual ride on the pavements guff, is that the cure all. Relax carryfast, it’s not going to happen, you know it & we know it. There’s more chance of you blaming a trucker for an accident than that happening, or you posting a reply about cyclists without putting in, bs, loony, suicidal etc. as I’ve said earlier, there is more chance of an HGV ban coming into force in London, rightly or wrongly, than banning cycles or putting them on the path.
kr79:
Riding your raliegh chopper round the streets of 1970s leatherhead on the pavement may have been ok but to put the massive amounts of commuter cyclists in central london with all the foot soilders isnt going to work.
Most of my car and hgv driving has been in inner london thats up to 70 ton low loaders round the city and west end as well as tippers skips and cars.
The cyclists have multiplyed 10 fold in the last 10 years. We need education on all sides as there are some shocking drivers in cars buses and trucks as there are cyclists.
Its easier to enforce training on drivers but very hard on cyclists.
Prehaps having police on the street stoping bad drivers and cyclists issuing fines and compulsary awerness courses like the offer for speeding may help rather than policing by speed camera and cctv isuing parking tickets.
Are you really suggesting that the blue cycle way marking on the road at the place in question is more sensible than putting it on the mile wide empty pavement as shown. 
It’s obvious that such markings as they stand encourage undertaking by cyclists on the approach and across the roundabout.It doesn’t matter how good you might like to think you are as a driver or how much you ‘educate’ drivers the law of averages says that sooner or later any driver could meet the wrong undertaking cyclist at the wrong time in the wrong place while that driver is looking to the right or ahead not the nearside mirrors.
Slackbladder:
The usual ride on the pavements guff, is that the cure all. Relax carryfast, it’s not going to happen, you know it & we know it. There’s more chance of you blaming a trucker for an accident than that happening, or you posting a reply about cyclists without putting in, bs, loony, suicidal etc. as I’ve said earlier, there is more chance of an HGV ban coming into force in London, rightly or wrongly, than banning cycles or putting them on the path.
I know which is why we’ll inevitably be reading of yet more similar casualty statistics and I’ll still be saying they’d still be alive if they used the empty pavement instead of trying to mix it with trucks and buses.That’s what I call suicidally insane.
You’re going to wear this little fella out.
Why not have a go at actually responding to some of the arguments others are making? At least two of us have pointed out why pavement cycling isn’t a magical cure all, but you’re still parroting the “get-them-on-the-pavements” line without actually thinking about the issues this would cause.
Relax Rythem it’s all he knows, you get used to it after a while. He won’t hear a bad word against truckers, despite overwhelming evidence of poor driving on other threads right now. Just keeps spewing out the same mantra. I wouldn’t mind but he’s never driven a truck for the best part of this century making his “experience” irrelevant to me, despite all the miles he’s done. By his own admission in other threads he was a regular cyclist on the pavement, 40 years ago mind, but still, nothing much has changed has it?
No surprise this cyclist thread is heading in the same direction of all the others, that doesn’t mean a cordoned off area of the pavement may not have been a better option for cyclists from the get-go but its possibly too late now.
As a cyclist is just as capable of causing as much congestion as the car they replace its strange how roadspace was allocated to this system when the obvious place was the pavement, but sure that has its own risks with children getting knocked over and cyclists then facing a dreaded speed limit.
All that will happen is the cycle lobbies will campaign for safer roadspace and bans on other vehicles until its just them causing a nuisance to each other. So be it, lets just deliver outside town and let the 3.5 tonners go into the city or even better make the cyclists pick up a rucksack load on their way in and drop it off at the supermarket.
Muckshifting could be tricky but bollox to them let them have their way and see what happens.
As i said earlier these cycle highways are the usual half cocked british ideas that cost a fortune and dont solve the problem for any party although cs3 which i use a lot on my bike is quite good.
Having a segregated area on some pavements may work but theres no one solution to sort the problem and keep everyone happy.
Speaking as an experinced tipper driver the majoraty of drivers on the firm invoved yesterday and in a few other incidents where cyclists have been killed couldnt in your mate bewicks words drive sheep with a good dog
Also theres plenty of cyclists the same and the worst of the lot addison lee mini cab drivers
kr79:
As i said earlier these cycle highways are the usual half cocked british ideas that cost a fortune and dont solve the problem for any party although cs3 which i use a lot on my bike is quite good.
Having a segregated area on some pavements may work but theres no one solution to sort the problem and keep everyone happy.
Speaking as an experinced tipper driver the majoraty of drivers on the firm invoved yesterday and in a few other incidents where cyclists have been killed couldnt in your mate bewicks words drive sheep with a good dog
Also theres plenty of cyclists the same and the worst of the lot addison lee mini cab drivers
From the point of view of this specific case at least painting the cycle route on the massive area of empty pavement instead of on the non existent road space would have been a life saver.
As for Bewick I don’t even think his best no1 Scania V8 driver would have been able to keep an eye on traffic approaching from the right while entering a roundabout while watching in the nearside mirrors at the same time for an undertaking cyclist intending to use a piece of road ahead that doesn’t exist because the truck’s nearside rear wheels are already rolling onto it. 
Carryfast:
Slackbladder:
It’s not a “fact” that generally cyclists are a bunch of suicidal nutcases, it’s your opinion. I know you won’t admit to it carryfast, you are so one eyed when it comes to truck driving it’s no surprise you don’t drive them anymore, but some of these incidents just might be the drivers fault. I would suggest that, if you drive around London and don’t expect to see cyclists on the road, and drive accordingly, then maybe you shouldn’t be driving large vehicles. If all cyclists are raving lunatics, as you often suggest, then how come it’s not carnage all over the country everyday?Anyone who’d want to ride a bicycle,using the road,in situations which put them into conflict and competition with trucks and buses for the limited road space available such as in this case,instead of using the massive amount of free space available on the pavement in the same way as a pedestrian would,is a suicidal nutcase.The reason as to why there’s not carnage all over the country on a similar basis,as is obviously happening in London on an ever increasing basis at least,is simply the law of averages.IE more trucks and buses + more cyclists,all competing for the limited road space available = more flattened cyclists.
That last bit sounds like York in the early 80’s when the train and carriage factories used to knock off, there was hundreds of them used to take to the road on bikes, but you never heard of any of them getting flattened.
So whos’ tipper was it then? Nice change for it not to be Keltbray.
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Now you’re falling into the trap of making assumptions Carryfast, about my experience. Put it this way, if it came down to a ‘who’s willy is the biggest’ competition on who’s driven large vehicles in Central London most, you’d probably lose.Whatever.
Blimey what are you, 15?
Your problem is you are offensive so no one listens. Plus you’re often preaching to the gallery. I think their is a massive problem that needs to be solved by TfL mostly, so our views aren’t that different. Well I assume, I read very little of your offensive posts. If you’d read my blog post you’d see what I think. Its even got a video in it. Maybe I can have the honour of being added to the Carryfast Presidential YouTube Library…
BBC News saying that the leader of Southwark Council says he wants to ban HGV’s at peak times.
What a ■■■■■ 
Carryfast:
it wouldn’t fit their agenda of their continuing their ‘rights’ to use the road.
If they wanted rights to use the road, they should pay some road tax.
hammer:
BBC News saying that the leader of Southwark Council says he wants to ban HGV’s at peak times.What a [zb].
All very predictable, bow and scrape to the cyclists till they realise its affecting the economy then a swift U turn and back to normal.
Sorry you are unable to buy your desired product in our store as we are unable to get it delivered to us in time, why not buy it online instead.
The city centres are dying and still they place restrictions on deliveries rather than pricks on bikes causing an inconvenience to others by their suicidal antics.
Backwards Britain at its best.
put lots of people in a confined space,and it`s enevitable that some of them will bump into each other now and then.
there is no solution.
The London death toll has got better in real terms so the message must be getting through slowly. The numbers of bikes has gone up a lot in last few years but the death toll stays around 15 it’s not gone up to 30 something.
Do tippers and buses hit them because of the numbers of bikes now on the road. The news said 500 000 bike trips a day, a tipper in London for a day could see a 1000 bikes say so that’s 5000 a week 240000 a year (if he has 4 weeks off) the tipper only needs to miss one.
hammer:
BBC News saying that the leader of Southwark Council says he wants to ban HGV’s at peak times.What a [zb].
I’m with him. Couldn’t be happier to be banned from it.
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Now you’re falling into the trap of making assumptions Carryfast, about my experience. Put it this way, if it came down to a ‘who’s willy is the biggest’ competition on who’s driven large vehicles in Central London most, you’d probably lose.Whatever.
Blimey what are you, 15?
Your problem is you are offensive so no one listens. Plus you’re often preaching to the gallery. I think their is a massive problem that needs to be solved by TfL mostly, so our views aren’t that different. Well I assume, I read very little of your offensive posts. If you’d read my blog post you’d see what I think. Its even got a video in it. Maybe I can have the honour of being added to the Carryfast Presidential YouTube Library…
Nothing new there then.You’ve admitted that you’ve not read my posts but you’re saying that their offensive anyway even though you’ve not read them.
If you think that it’s offensive to say,that anyone who would rather ride a bicycle on the road amongst trucks,at the location in question,and anyone who marks out the road to facilitate that,is suicidally insane,bearing in mind the mile wide empty pavement that could be used instead there,that’s your problem.As for TFL the road layout in question seems to be what would be expected from their level of intelligence which is about the same as the cycling lobby that they’ve based their road planning policy on.No surprise that you seem more than happy to put your trust in such a stupid typical PC London local government department that should actually have it’s powers removed and be closed down.
Dipper_Dave:
hammer:
BBC News saying that the leader of Southwark Council says he wants to ban HGV’s at peak times.What a [zb].
All very predictable, bow and scrape to the cyclists till they realise its affecting the economy then a swift U turn and back to normal.
Sorry you are unable to buy your desired product in our store as we are unable to get it delivered to us in time, why not buy it online instead.
The city centres are dying and still they place restrictions on deliveries rather than pricks on bikes causing an inconvenience to others by their suicidal antics.
Backwards Britain at its best.
Yet another realistic view that TFL’s supporters will no doubt find offensive and ignore.Although having said that banning tippers outright from everywhere within a 50 mile radius of Bow Bells might cut down the rate of London’s over development and excessive growth into the counties surrounding the zb hole. 