human cannonball:
Does the POA button affect the 13/15 hours WTD rule or just the 6?
I had an issue a few weeks ago where the taillift broke while it was down, by the time the fitter reached me it and put it straight it was over 15 hours and and i’d already popped the card out, so the office had to send out another driver to pick up the wagon. This driver said i should have hit POA to pause the work on the taco but my understanding was i don’t do anything after the 13/15 irrespective. If i had, could i have driven after the 15 hour mark?
There is no 13/15 hour WTD rule.
The total shift or spread-over is limited to 13/15 hours by the daily rest period having to be completed within 24 hours from the start of the shift, that’s a drivers hours regulation not WTD, so the answer is no POA does not alter the 13/15 hour spread-over from start to end of shift.
Because travelling to or from a vehicle that’s not at base or the drivers home is classed as other work, you couldn’t even legally travel back to base after the 13/15 hours let alone drive the vehicle back.
Or to put it another way, the other driver was talking rubbish
sw1ller:
Scrap POA altogether. Just stick it on break cause, as we all know (say it with me now) you can take a break as POA but you can’t take POA as a break.
What should drivers use if they do not get paid recorded breaks?
tachograph:
Why be so abusive, lots of people struggle to get their heads round POA, mostly I suspect because most people quite sensibly (imo) don’t use it.
This place is called a discussion forum for a reason
I’m sure that POA is a dead mode thats stuck around for far to long. Yes there are certain jobs it could come in usefull for(although I’m struggling to think of them) just using break works for me.
Perhaps it was seen as to costly to remove it and law making folks spent hours giving it a purpose when in reality everyones life would be easier if that little square box (which signals ‘Press Once Again’ to me) didn’t excist.
Logic dictates your either at work or at rest / break- over pedantisum tries to find a grey area inbetween which leads us to POA or PITA as it should be known as.
Also this 90 hour a fortnight driving rule is annoying, we already have 9 hours a day (10 twice a week) why bother with a fortnightly limit.
Ok, I see Ya point but I’d argue that it was POA and not a break as this is still a legal option to use. I just think POA should be scrapped altogether. It’s a pointless tool. It just heaps more confusion onto an already confusing system. I’ve only been driving 14 years and I’m still learning little bits about drivers hours! (The double man drivers hours has recently annoyed me[SMILING FACE WITH OPEN MOUTH AND TIGHTLY-CLOSED EYES])
Not to be disrespectful to anyone but, we’re frickin drivers! Not bloody time lords or what not. You know all these hours rules were invented by some gorp in a suit in a fancy office somewhere!
sw1ller:
Scrap POA altogether. Just stick it on break cause, as we all know (say it with me now) you can take a break as POA but you can’t take POA as a break.
What should drivers use if they do not get paid recorded breaks?
I can’t belive any company uses this paying structure.
Your either paid right through or deducted a set amount for lunch, 30 mins, 45mins.
Drivers use breaks to help themselves out at times which in turn will helps the company, and any company that uses this method of payment should be blacklisted and named and shamed.
sw1ller:
Scrap POA altogether. Just stick it on break cause, as we all know (say it with me now) you can take a break as POA but you can’t take POA as a break.
What should drivers use if they do not get paid recorded breaks?
Now we all know that four and a half hours of solid driving triggers a break of at least 45 minutes, but if going by the WTD of six hours of working and driving together, how long can you drive in one go? I mean say if you have done work for two hours then drive for four hours in one go are you then subjected to 45 minute break rule?
or have i already broken the law!
or in easier terms what is the cut off point for solid driving hours in the six hour WTD rule?
sw1ller:
Scrap POA altogether. Just stick it on break cause, as we all know (say it with me now) you can take a break as POA but you can’t take POA as a break.
What should drivers use if they do not get paid recorded breaks?
Other work.
If the company bothered with the RTD then that could seriously reduce any possible overtime and earnings for the driver
Centauri:
Just one more question on POA and WTD from me.
Now we all know that four and a half hours of solid driving triggers a break of at least 45 minutes, but if going by the WTD of six hours of working and driving together, how long can you drive in one go? I mean say if you have done work for two hours then drive for four hours in one go are you then subjected to 45 minute break rule?
or have i already broken the law!
or in easier terms what is the cut off point for solid driving hours in the six hour WTD rule?
4½ hours is always the maximum driving you can do before having a 45 minute break.
In your example of 2 hours other work then 4 hours driving you would need to have a 15 minute break at 4 hours driving, you could then continue driving for half an hour before needing a 30 minute break which would be the second part of a split driving break.
Obviously it may sometime pay you to have the 45 minute break after 4 hours driving instead of 15 minutes.
sw1ller:
Scrap POA altogether. Just stick it on break cause, as we all know (say it with me now) you can take a break as POA but you can’t take POA as a break.
What should drivers use if they do not get paid recorded breaks?
Other work.
If the company bothered with the RTD then that could seriously reduce any possible overtime and earnings for the driver
If they aren’t paying for break they aren’t going to be paying much in the way of overtime
Never use POA as for the life of me I can’t remember a single delievery or collection were the staff have said right we will get to you in x amount of time. Therefore I can’t use it so straight on break.
what is the cut off point for solid driving hours in the six hour WTD rule?