Another cyclist killed

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General IZD:
RIP rider.

If everyone just chilled out a bit and decided to drive/ride/walk politely and to the rules, it would make such a difference. Instead you’ve got cyclists doing the Tour de Commute, car drivers doing the Traffic Light Grand Prix, and then truck and bus drivers rushing around trying to meet schedules that are tight to begin with and crazy tight when you throw London traffic into the mix.

Probably nearest the truth than any post I’ve read on the subject, ever.

I saw it from both sides today, and in the middle!

Been on locals today. Coming back through Ormskirk, going through a set of lights, coming towards me I see a fully-kitted-out cyclist passing an artic on the outside. The artic was in the queue for the lights and was just pulling away on a right-hand bend. I screamed at the cyclist as I passed. What the fiick was he thinking?

Later I had to run an errand. Nice day, I took the push-iron, no lycra. Riding across town is really scary. Why do drivers have to squeeze between cyclist and white line, even when there’s nothing coming the other way? Too many vehicles (all cars and vans) too close for comfort. It confirmed for me why I cycle off-road whenever possible.

On the way home, I feel a lorry behind me approaching a traffic island. He brakes to allow me through ahead of him - phew. Road clear, he passes me only to be brought up by lights on red. So, returning the favour, I stop behind him, where he can see me in his mirrors, even though there’s a cycle refuge at the junction. It’s an Expert Logistics 7.5-tonner. Well driven. Everybody gets home.

And that’s what I think what the General’s on about.

Sorry for the diatribe.

Bless the cyclist and her family.

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cargocargocargo:

General IZD:
I screamed at the cyclist as I passed…

PLEASE don’t do that.

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roaduser66:
the snowman seems to have seen an awful lot of bad behaviour in just three hours. He should film stuff like that then post the footage here so it doesn’t look like he’s making it up, and three of the things he mentions aren’t even illegal).

Are you going to try and pick apart my post now? Like the one you tried to regarding my mum and the cyclist who ran the red light? How did that work out for you?
Which three incidents arn’t illegal? And I never said they were illegal,I said they happened (whos calling who a liar now) and yes it is a lot for only three hours. That was actually the point. And illegal they may not be but are you telling me their not dangerous,reckless or showing a disregard for the rules of the road? Its not illegal to cycle without a helmet or use lights at night but it hardly makes it acceptable either does it?
I dont film it and post it because nothing happened. What would be the point and what good will it do? People like you will never admit cyclists doing it is a big problem,only that “studies have shown” and all that mince.
And as if to prove my point -

roaduser66:
14% of drivers jump a red light at least twice a month – Direct Line survey, August 2011

10% of cyclists found to jump red lights – Sunday Times operation, November 2013

You quote another statistic.
10% of cyclists FOUND to jump a red light. How many do it and dont get “found”? Last time you quoted that I directed you to a video showing 6 cyclists running the same light in a space of 10 seconds. (You never did respond to that one either come to think of it)
Car runs red light,its on cctv and the number plate means driver gets found and fined etc.
Cyclist runs red light and its caught on cctv. How do you find them? Answer,you dont. So it does not get recorded and therefor the national average is low.
I asked you if you thought it was maybe time cyclists were made to show at least some manner of road sense. Whats your thoughts?
Last time you were on I also asked you how many poorly maintained bikes were on the road,and if you thought it was unacceptable. Do you? And do you think it might be a good idea for cycles to have a safety record for brakes,wheel nuts etc to be checked on a regular basis?

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You mean the video clip taken by the LTDA? It’s been exposed as a complete fraud:

aseasyasridingabike.wordpress.c … e-by-mode/

The subject is cyclists getting killled. Cyclists jumping red lights is not what’s killing them. Badly maintained bikes is not what’s killing them. You have a problem with cyclists, that’s fine, but don’t allow your prejudice to obscure the facts. You claim to have seen a rather implausible catalogue of illegallity from cyclists. I’m asking you to film it because I don’t believe you. I’ve never seen a cyclist ride the wrong way round a roundabout in my life, why on earth would they do that, and you claim to have seen it just today? Mmmmm.

“are you telling me their not dangerous,reckless or showing a disregard for the rules of the road?”

I would urgently recommend you undergo additional driver training. That a professional driver remains ignorant of the fact that filtering is entirely legal is shocking. When did you pass your test?

Helmets would save more lives for vehicle occupants for cyclists, so if you don’t wear a plastic hat every time you get in a car you’re a rank hypocrite.

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The-Snowman:
Its not illegal to cycle without a helmet or use lights at night

Yes it is. Seriously, you need to brush up your knowledge of road traffic laws.

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While I feel the utmost sympathy for the deceased cyclist and her family I think the way you are coming across on this forum would be enough to make many a decent law abiding driver think about taking a cyclist out …

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raymundo:
While I feel the utmost sympathy for the deceased cyclist and her family I think the way you are coming across on this forum would be enough to make many a decent law abiding driver think about taking a cyclist out …

I disagree with that, so I’m going to kill a random, completely unconnected lorry driver.

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Attack a post by all means, but please do not attack the person. dd.

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roaduser66:

cargocargocargo:

General IZD:
I screamed at the cyclist as I passed…

PLEASE don’t do that.

He needed to know that what he was doing was idiotic. If I did that (God forbid) I would expect to be screamed at.

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roaduser66:

raymundo:
While I feel the utmost sympathy for the deceased cyclist and her family I think the way you are coming across on this forum would be enough to make many a decent law abiding driver think about taking a cyclist out …

I disagree with that, so I’m going to kill a random, completely unconnected lorry driver. You idiotic fartknocker.

you really should think about what you post even In jest 66

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cargocargocargo:

roaduser66:

cargocargocargo:

General IZD:
I screamed at the cyclist as I passed…

PLEASE don’t do that.

He needed to know that what he was doing was idiotic. If I did that (God forbid) I would expect to be screamed at.

No, he needs to concentrate on staying alive without being bellowed at. Please DON’T scream at cyclists as they’re riding in traffic.

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roaduser66:

raymundo:
While I feel the utmost sympathy for the deceased cyclist and her family I think the way you are coming across on this forum would be enough to make many a decent law abiding driver think about taking a cyclist out …

I disagree with that, so I’m going to kill a random, completely unconnected lorry driver. You idiotic fartknocker.

:laughing: :laughing: Have been called a loads of things in my time but never that :laughing: what’s a fartknocker, anything like the arrogant know it all/never in the wrong arse up in the air cycling ■■■■ ? Just askin :confused:

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roaduser66:
You mean the video clip taken by the LTDA?

Nope. I mean this one
youtube.com/watch?v=FguuUKaeIxo
You know,one taken in real life. Not part of a statistic or a survey. Actual footage

roaduser66:
You have a problem with cyclists, that’s fine, but don’t allow your prejudice to obscure the facts.

I dont have a problem with cyclists. No where have I ever stated cyclists should be banned or put off the road. Ive quite clearly said in the past that we all need to share the road and respect other road users as equals. Im simply stating that cyclists who disregard the highway code are a problem. I also have a BIG problem with drunk drivers,speeders and those who use the road like their own private race track without regard for anyone else. And ive been involved in many an argument with those who try and justify or dismiss it. Dont flatter yourself its just some cyclists that I have a problem with

roaduser66:
I’m asking you to film it because I don’t believe you.

I dont care whether you believe me or not. But I believe my own two eyes and I know what I saw. Ask any driver regarding cyclists and the highway code and they’ll tell you the same thing as me regarding red lights,junctions etc.

roaduser66:
I’ve never seen a cyclist ride the wrong way round a roundabout in my life, why on earth would they do that, and you claim to have seen it just today? Mmmmm.

So because YOU’VE never seen it then it didn’t happen? Doesn’t work like that. Ive never seen a bank robbery but they still happen.
youtube.com/watch?v=D36t4KIeqFU
There you go,just for you. Not my footage but it took all of 5 seconds to find.

roaduser66:
“are you telling me their not dangerous,reckless or showing a disregard for the rules of the road?”

Can you answer this question please. Thanks. You quoted it so I think requesting an answer is justified

roaduser66:
I would urgently recommend you undergo additional driver training. That a professional driver remains ignorant of the fact that filtering is entirely legal is shocking.

Filtering? Where did I say filtering was illegal? In fact,where did I mention filtering? I mentioned wrong way round a roundabout,wrong way up a one way street(these were the same person BTW) ,using mobiles while cycling and dashing between moving traffic. I can only think you mean the last example. And to try and avoid stating that’s its a risky,dangerous and idiotic practise,and saying it is something that needs to be looked at,and by conveniently not acknowledging the other incidents,you instead try to attack MY driving standard and say I need additional training? Thats is a pretty poor response. Your actually condoning it,and this actually proves the point that cyclists dont take reasonable care of their own safety and justify it at any and every oppertunity. (BTW just because something isnt illegal,does not mean its neccesserily safe. At NO point did I use the word illegal,I was mearly using examples of dangerous activity by cyclists)

roaduser66:
Helmets would save more lives for vehicle occupants for cyclists, so if you don’t wear a plastic hat every time you get in a car you’re a rank hypocrite.

Hypocrite? Because I dont wear a helmet in a car? Your getting desperate to try and pick holes now. There are seatbelts,airbags and side protection for me in my car. A helmet is overkill. Cyclists have none of these things. The best,in fact the ONLY, protection they have is a helmet. Yet some choose not to wear one. Why?

I asked you two questions. You quoted parts of the post so you obviously read them. Any joy on the answers yet?

You said previously you always obeyed the highway code,didnt cycle on the pavement,had insurance etc etc. Based on your attitude on here Im inclined to believe you(Im not asking you to film it) and I can understand why you get annoyed at the stereotypes thrown about regarding cyclists. But you joined an hgv forum and throw cliches like viewing ■■■■ while driving and banned drivers etc and you wonder why we get annoyed at YOUR stereotyping?

roaduser66:

The-Snowman:
Its not illegal to cycle without a helmet or use lights at night

Yes it is. Seriously, you need to brush up your knowledge of road traffic laws.

eta.co.uk/cycling-and-the-law/#LAWFAQ13
Hmm,the 13th one down is a DOOZY. Seems like theres two of us need to brush up then eh?
On a side note,any reasoning you have for why people are allowed to cycle on busy roads without even needing to know ANY road traffic laws,or what road signs mean, would make interesting reading. Please share

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You’re wasting your time Snowman, as he’s gone offline to toss one off over the latest bike with big shiney wheels and with a saddle that does more penetration than a male version rampant rabit :slight_smile:

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raymundo:
You’re wasting your time Snowman, as he’s gone offline to toss one off over the latest bike with big shiney wheels and with a saddle that does more penetration than a male version rampant rabit :slight_smile:

:laughing: :laughing:
He did that the last time I challenged him to a straight answer to a straight question as well :laughing:

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roaduser66:
I still get hatred, invective and downright dangerous attitudes from pointless little [zb] like this bellend:

kentonline.co.uk/ashford/new … sts-34715/

Pushing a blind person off a bike, suspended sentence.

Was the guide dog towing or pushing? :laughing:
Treat cyclists like horses, totally unpredictable and pass them like they have Ebola (at least cyclists don’t crap in the middle of the road). Having driven in London I must be lucky as I’ve had no problems with them (maybe because I assume they’re kamikaze window lickers?)
I drive an 8wheeled tipper (the cyclists’ favourite) that has no side underruns or wall to wall cameras (I hate all these daft gimmicks) and I’m not taking out cyclists left right and centre.
Many of the tippers involved in fatal collisions in London are operated by companies that most professional drivers would avoid like the plague anyway.

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Statistics can easily be manipulated and only cover actual incidents, not near misses ie where the person who causes an accident or near miss is not actually involved

Every other type of road user must show that they are up to an acceptable standard (albeit low standard) before they are allowed to use the roads so why does this not apply to cyclists? Most of them probably are licenced drivers but as already said in this thread, with a false sense of security in a vehicle. You put that false sense of security on a bike and there will be inevitable problems. Instead of banning cyclists or blaming drivers, train every road user to share the road with every other road users. That way we all know what we are doing instead of having different standards of training dictated by licence category

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The-Snowman:

raymundo:
You’re wasting your time Snowman, as he’s gone offline to toss one off over the latest bike with big shiney wheels and with a saddle that does more penetration than a male version rampant rabit :slight_smile:

:laughing: :laughing:
He did that the last time I challenged him to a straight answer to a straight question as well :laughing:

I would think it is far more likely he went offline because it was late.

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scanny77:
Statistics can easily be manipulated and only cover actual incidents, not near misses ie where the person who causes an accident or near miss is not actually involved

Every other type of road user must show that they are up to an acceptable standard (albeit low standard) before they are allowed to use the roads so why does this not apply to cyclists? Most of them probably are licenced drivers but as already said in this thread, with a false sense of security in a vehicle. You put that false sense of security on a bike and there will be inevitable problems. Instead of banning cyclists or blaming drivers, train every road user to share the road with every other road users. That way we all know what we are doing instead of having different standards of training dictated by licence category

Seems like a great idea but let’s face it a most know already what they should and should not be doing but choose to do it their own way.
We see all road users breaking rules everyday but nothing happens about it a lot of the time.
Maybe we need to be cracking down on bad driving with heavy fines and bans.
Most of all we need people to change their attitudes especially lorry drivers towards cyclists and vice versa.

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roaduser66:
The Sunday Times was the source for that claim, not me:

14% of drivers jump a red light at least twice a month – Direct Line survey, August 2011

10% of cyclists found to jump red lights – Sunday Times operation, November 2013

Like all statistics this proves nothing. Cyclists could jump red lights daily, twice a week or any other figure, these two statistics are not comparable.

I am a cyclist myself and also an HGV and coach driver. I also own a caravan so I have a fair experience of other road users issues. The bottom line is that many people whether drivers, cyclists or other road users have no consideration or respect for anyone else. It is a case of me 1st and stuff the rest of you.

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Another example of cyclists doing what our chum says they never do

youtube.com/watch?v=ubqPTbpSZtU

and another

youtube.com/watch?v=_DHQQtp6bh0

and another

youtube.com/watch?v=bKvNLXr_Rfk