Another cyclist killed in london

[boredwivdrivin]

eagerbeaver:
So don’t moan, and if you want to cycle around in lycra with your vigilante cam stuck on your helmet, looking like complete knob’s, ■■■■ off into the countryside and do it.

i would also like to point out to you that approximately 80% of accidents and near misses i have been involved in on a bicycle took place in deepest devonshire/zummerzet countryside

just this thread , as the title gives a clue , is primarily concerned with deaths in cities .

if you wish me to recall the times ive been blasted of bike by drivers not pulling out around me , cut up or whipped with flaying straps i would be more than happy to do so

[eagerbeaver]

Haha Billy. The beaver’s bait obviously suits your tastebud’s.

As regard’s the other idiot-boredwivlivin, Thank’s for letting me know about Scania mirror’s.

I have been looking in my R450’s for a few month’s now. Strange thing is,whenever I have used one of our hire DAF XF’s, I have not hit any cyclist’s in that either.

[the-snowman]

boredwivdrivin:
Yo SnowTroll

Start with an insult. Always a good sign someone isnt struggling to come up with something mature to respond with.

boredwivdrivin:
still struggling wiv the old answering the question thingo i see .

Says the man who hasnt answered any of my questions to him so far

boredwivdrivin:
i asked ““WHAT HAS TRANSPORT INDUSTRY DONE TO ALLEVIATE THE PROBLEM ■■?””

and you said :

Let me ask you this. What would you like the transport industry to do? Because at present trucks have between 6-8 mirrors,limited in speed,limited to certain places for weight or length,limited to times for certain places and the driver has to sit a test with an examiner to prove he can handle the size,weight etc. Also there are random road side checks by DVSA which can take up to 3 hours in some cases to check road worthyness of the vehicle etc.
I cant think what else could be done.

Er that looks like an answer to me

boredwivdrivin:
you will notice , unless you are still being deliberately obtuse , that these are all things imposed on transport industry by government/EU in a futile attempt to regulate it , and prevent the worst attrocities .

None of these measures come from the transport industry whatsoever .

And?
I didnt say they did. I listed all the things I could think of off the top of my head that trucks are required to have. It doesnt matter where they came from,the RHA or the EU. The fact is they are there. So,instead of avoiding the question,what would you like the RHA to add to these already in place regulations? Im at a loss as to what else can be put in place but I await your no doubt perfectly thought out ideas with bated breath.
And unlike you,if you CAN come up with something workable then I might actually get on board with it.

boredwivdrivin:
government lobbying to make the industry less safe :: POA to get round WTD and reducing weekly rest from 36 hour to 24 minimums .

Government lobbying to make the industry less safe. Do me a favour. Theres not a politician in the country who will try to make the industry less safe. Public opinion is to make it tighter.

boredwivdrivin:
snowtrolls benefit

Your aware of course that constant insults to a member of a discussion forum is the best way to not be taken seriously and shows a high level of immaturity right?

boredwivdrivin:
which funded and built cycle path No1 from Bath to Bristol

Great if you want to go from Bath to Bristol.

boredwivdrivin:
to provide an off road commuter route , recreational path and safe place for kids to play/learn . off its own bat , with some local government grants , entirely by volunteers .

Whats this got to do with grown adults running red lights,going the wrong way round roundabouts,cycling with no hands,texting,phoning etc etc etc in busy city centres and demanding more protection and that everyone else watch out for them? Because thats what the main issue is here. The cyclists who dont care about their own safety

boredwivdrivin:
And of course they go into schools and provide free safety training and free cycling proficency tests in many of the cities and towns ( but not all ) in our country .

And thats great. Im all for it. But kids being kids,it gets forgotten about a week later. How does a cycle proficency test when they are 10 ,ride a bike for a month then not do so again for 20 years help things?
So,ONCE AGAIN,if you can answer with out insults,without avoiding the question by asking another,without throwing your toys out the pram,without doing anything other than answer -
What are your reasons for not supporting a cycle test and license requirement to use Britains roads?

boredwivdrivin:
so we can see the cycling community is intelligent , motivated , hardworking , imaginative , industrious and inclusive .

No we cant. Ive not heard any pro cyclists condem all the dangerous activities cyclists get up to. Only that “drivers should take more care”. Im all for keeping cyclists safe. the only issue I have is ones like yours where you want to apportion blame to everyone else and not take responsibility for their own actions

boredwivdrivin:
the road transport industry is is …

disreputable by its own activities and selfishness , yellow mudguard stickers aside

how so? and what would you do differently?

[james_the_cat]

BillyHunt:
. Why is it a vigilante cam on a bike when it’s an essential bit of kit in a truck?.

Just thinking both sides of that good question.

I’ve yet to see a video of a tractor unit circling around a car (maybe I’m wrong) with the driver getting out and lecturing a car driver on road safety followed by yelling “I’m reporting you to the police under section xyz!”.

I’ve never (maybe I’m wrong) heard of footage from a lorry where it pulls in front of a bicycles, the driving getting out with a camera on his head, banging the handle bars then starts berating him like a school boy for running a red light, before yelling “I’m reporting you to the police under section xyz!”

I’ve never seen (maybe I’m wrong) a self styled “vigilante lorry driver” appear on a morning chat show sitting in work boots and hi viz vest wearing diesel gloves discussing his one man crusade to police the roads

“Siri please dial 999”

[carryfast]

BillyHunt:

ROG:
I agree with carryfast - whoever is there second needs to be very aware of what those might do who were there first

I would agree with that except CF doesn’t think cyclists get there first, and that regardless of who gets there first the lorry should be allowed to go first, always. He also doesn’t believe that a cyclist can get away from a junction quicker than a lorry. Then again he hasn’t driven one this century so is unlikely to have had the pleasure of putting your foot down in an automatic, and going nowhere fast.

Which part of ‘if’ a truck ‘overtakes’ a cyclist ‘ahead’ of them and then turns left across them it can only realistically be sorted out by an adequate deterrents regime’,didn’t you understand.So expect to see compulsory dash cams on the agenda.

However,together with your idea of cyclists betting their lives that they can outrun trucks across junctions and roundabouts,can’t drive won’t drive’s comments have made the real issues clear.That being undertaking cyclists who think that they actually own the road space on the nearside of left turning,or potentially left turning,vehicles.

[commonrail]

At the end of the day,britain is a country built on industry…as opposed to drugs and ■■■(as in hollands case)
So unfourtunately(for cyclists)the backbone of said industry(lorries)will always come first.
Sure…politicians will huff and puff in order to catch votes,but money talks.
See how trucks have been able to get bigger,heavier and faster.
So…i reckon these cycling lobbyists are ■■■■■■■ in the wind,long term.
Stay away from the nearside or risk going under
hth.

[mazzer]

BillyHunt:
It’s well known on cycling forums that sentences given out to drivers that have killed cyclists are pitiful in the extreme. Mainly because the cps are reluctant to use dangerous driving as a charge, preferring the easier to prove careless driving. Regardless of which they choose if found guilty the judiciary seem reluctant to give out anything like maximum sentences. The line about" whatever sentence I give you will not bring the dead cyclist back" must be particularly galling to the bereaved family. As they tend to say, it’s still the best way to commit murder in this country and get away with it.
As for a campaign why not, preferably a big one on national TV reminding people of the dangers. A comeback for Augustus windsock anyone? for the older members.

But if the cyclists didn’t come up the left hand side of HGV’s then they wouldn’t get killed. It is perfectly legal for me to overtake a lorry on a roundabout when I am in my car but I don’t do it because common sense tells me it could result in an accident of which I am likely to come off the worse.
Whenever a lorry and bike come together regardless of who is to blame the cyclist comes off the worse it is no good a cyclist as he is gasping his last breath saying “well I was legally allowed to be there and the lorry driver will get a prison sentence” Death is permanent you don’t get reincarnated after 2 years in heaven for good behaviour.

[boredwivdrivin]

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[billyhunt]

James the cat:

BillyHunt:
. Why is it a vigilante cam on a bike when it’s an essential bit of kit in a truck?.

Just thinking both sides of that good question.

I’ve yet to see a video of a tractor unit circling around a car (maybe I’m wrong) with the driver getting out and lecturing a car driver on road safety followed by yelling “I’m reporting you to the police under section xyz!”.

I’ve never (maybe I’m wrong) heard of footage from a lorry where it pulls in front of a bicycles, the driving getting out with a camera on his head, banging the handle bars then starts berating him like a school boy for running a red light, before yelling “I’m reporting you to the police under section xyz!”

I’ve never seen (maybe I’m wrong) a self styled “vigilante lorry driver” appear on a morning chat show sitting in work boots and hi viz vest wearing diesel gloves discussing his one man crusade to police the roads

“Siri please dial 999”

But they are in lorries where they are used to prove a drivers innocence, or guilt, aren’t they? Same for the vast majority of cycle users, but hey, if one does it they all do it.

[muckaway]

Sorry to post this again, but apparently (according to Boredwivdrivin) the top Daf mirror is “too round”…Hmm.

[captain_caveman_76]

As a returning cyclist, I have to agree with Snowman. There are no “rights” on the road, only responsibilities. Cyclists have to be responsible for themselves. After all, being right is of no use to you when they use a mop to clean you up!

[boredwivdrivin]

Muckaway:
Sorry to post this again, but apparently (according to Boredwivdrivin) the top Daf mirror is “too round”…Hmm.

whoops . i forgot to mention those bloody quarter light things . you have the arm pulled back to avoid quarterlight line thing . i used to have arm pushed out and see mirror thru the quarterlight , as better with trailer

even worse in XF as set higher

more blind spots than stevie wonders leopard .

i would not take that out on the road .

[eagerbeaver]

The new one’s don’t have a quarter light ’ strip '. For someone so opiniated, you don’t seem very knowledgeable.

[boredwivdrivin]

DAFS and MANS im straight out the door .

get someone who is happy not seeing his wheelnuts .

and might i point out , yours does have the quarterlight , which is what im commenting on

[muckaway]

boredwivdrivin:

Muckaway:
Sorry to post this again, but apparently (according to Boredwivdrivin) the top Daf mirror is “too round”…Hmm.

whoops . i forgot to mention those bloody quarter light things . you have the arm pulled back to avoid quarterlight line thing . i used to have arm pushed out and see mirror thru the quarterlight , as better with trailer

even worse in XF as set higher

more blind spots than stevie wonders leopard .

i would not take that out on the road .

No mine’s set inwards to avoid bashing the mirror on trees. Anyhow in a past post you said that an 8wheeler “had no blind spots” so which is it to be?

[carryfast]

Muckaway:
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Sorry to post this again, but apparently (according to Boredwivdrivin) the top Daf mirror is “too round”…Hmm.

Firstly it would help if all truck cabs were made full width to provide a better view along the sides in the mirrors.As for that pic if it’s from the driving side the main top mirror needs to be brought down the arm a bit and the lower wide angle one brought up the arm a bit.Then the main one needs to be adjusted out and down.Then the lower wide angle needs to be adjusted outwards a bit so that it shows more of the space away from the side.As for the front kerbside mirror they are usually a compromise of mounting position and size thereby reflecting a limited area.

[james_the_cat]

Muckaway:
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Sorry to post this again, but apparently (according to Boredwivdrivin) the top Daf mirror is “too round”…Hmm.

Too “round”? If his eyesight is anything to go by from his perception of shape, no wonder he can’t tell a red light from a green

[liberty_guy]

Stating the obvious I know, but types of mirror are pointless, unless the driver bothers to use mirrors when turning, especially left turns in town and village centres.

However, until you make cyclists ‘wake up, smell the coffee’ and realise that roads can be a lethal environment, they’ll still be doing stupid things that put them at immense risk.

Ride safe - go home.

[boredwivdrivin]

Carryfast:
Firstly it would help if all truck cabs were made full width to provide a better view along the sides in the mirrors.As for that pic if it’s from the driving side the main top mirror needs to be brought down the arm a bit and the lower wide angle one brought up the arm a bit.Then the main one needs to be adjusted out and down.Then the lower wide angle needs to be adjusted outwards a bit so that it shows more of the space away from the side.As for the front kerbside mirror they are usually a compromise of mounting position and size thereby reflecting a limited area.

ive a feeling you are wasting your breath , but we will see

MUCKAWAY my loverly

do us a favour , get a mate … no scratch that dont want to be difficult .

park your car 18 inches away from your beautiful DAF with the metros front bumper level with back of front truck tyre .

take a pic and lets see huh

then park another foot out and take another pic

then park another foot out and same again

[james_the_cat]

I believe the cycling community has been trading on its vulnerability laurels beyond what is tolerable.

For too long it has dined at the table of road users, drinking the wine of the vehicle users club when the nomenclature suits, enjoying the desserts of apportioned blame. Except they never pick up the cheque of accountability themselves.

Everyone is becoming fast sick of hearing about cycling deaths that are followed by the winging the whining from the cycling community all taking place alongside the incessant viral cyclists filming and reporting and lecturing people. Day by day the same, arrogant filthy attitude that so many if the cycling community, forums and organisations display. They need to get their house in order too. Why should one side try of the other acts like a spoilt child.