Another cyclist killed in london

boredwivdrivin:

Carryfast:
Firstly it would help if all truck cabs were made full width to provide a better view along the sides in the mirrors.As for that pic if it’s from the driving side the main top mirror needs to be brought down the arm a bit and the lower wide angle one brought up the arm a bit.Then the main one needs to be adjusted out and down.Then the lower wide angle needs to be adjusted outwards a bit so that it shows more of the space away from the side.As for the front kerbside mirror they are usually a compromise of mounting position and size thereby reflecting a limited area.

ive a feeling you are wasting your breath , but we will see

MUCKAWAY my loverly

do us a favour , get a mate … no scratch that dont want to be difficult .

park your car 18 inches away from your beautiful DAF with the metros front bumper level with back of front truck tyre .

take a pic and lets see huh

then park another foot out and take another pic

then park another foot out and same again

Here’s a thought Einstein. Given you insinuate these to be blind spots, why not avoid waiting on your bicycle in this particular area? Would you walk under a trailer of a stationary lorry at lights to cross the road? It’s dangerous. So is that. Don’t do it. All cyclists should NOT do it. They all should NOT run red lights. But they do. We have a problem.

heres a thought sherlock

im a very rare cyclist

one that earns my living as a trucker ; i know . most are not truckers ; they dont know .

you are a trucker ; u know .

set your mirrors up without blindspots and use them

if you cant accept the responsibility of your job , get another .

biggles

So BWD,thatll be me back on the ignore list then? I should have known better than to ask you a direct question you had no answer to.
Its a pretty poor show to be honest. Id have thought someone so full of arrogance about being right,so demanding that everyone bend to his will,so fleeting with the insults and sure his was the only important viewpoint would have an answer to any question posed of him. Seems not
Its not my fault you spent 2 days trying to think of something and it turns out its not quite as water tight as you thought. If its such a good argument to make then surely you have an answer to my questions?
And seeing as your the one who used the words -

boredwivdriven:
still struggling wiv the old answering the question thingo i see

I find it strangely ironic you constantly ignore any of my pretty straight forward questions and continue to pick and choose which posts you answer. But I think I deserve an answer since you insinuated I had trouble with answering questions (Ill leave aside the fact that I HAVE actually answered your questions and I had a chuckle when I read it). Seems only fair
I wont hold my breath though. Like any internet forums loudest voices,you fold like a $2 ■■■■■■ at the first sign of your points being picked apart,able only to respond with name calling and insults
And like all the hgv hating,insult spewing,pro cyclists who come on here giving it the big un,when the heat comes your way you start showing yourself up what what you really are.
Small minded and with a closed mind to anything other than your own deluded version of whats the proper way (again,ill ignore your hilarious statement from a few days ago about me having tunnel vision views. That cracked me up coming from you) and with no real basis for your views or indeed any supporting evidence about why you feel you are right.
Other than “just because” of course

boredwivdrivin:
heres a thought sherlock

im a very rare cyclist

one that earns my living as a trucker ; i know . most are not truckers ; they dont know .

you are a trucker ; u know .

set your mirrors up without blindspots and use them

if you cant accept the responsibility of your job , get another .

biggles

You’re a truck driver who seems to have some strange ideas about the ‘rules’ regarding cyclists supposedly having carte blanche to undertake left turning trucks through junctions etc. :unamused:

boredwivdrivin:
heres a thought sherlock

im a very rare cyclist

one that earns my living as a trucker ; i know . most are not truckers ; they dont know .

you are a trucker ; u know .

set your mirrors up without blindspots and use them

if you cant accept the responsibility of your job , get another .

biggles

I’m also a lorry driving cyclist. I don’t have problems with lorries, they give me plenty of space and I stay out of their way. It really is that simple. I struggle to accept your “right to go up the left side of a lorry”. You should know the difficulties truck drivers face, why not help them out by being a considerate road user?

boredwivdrivin:

Muckaway:
Sorry to post this again, but apparently (according to Boredwivdrivin) the top Daf mirror is “too round”…Hmm.

whoops . i forgot to mention those bloody quarter light things . you have the arm pulled back to avoid quarterlight line thing . i used to have arm pushed out and see mirror thru the quarterlight , as better with trailer

more blind spots than stevie wonders leopard . .

Use your helmet camera and look at the picture more closely. You can see the full length of the nearside. There is a fence post alongside the tailgate (the tailgate is for discharging the load when tipping, not for cyclists to hold onto) where sensible cyclists would wait at junctions.

Captain Caveman 76:
I struggle to accept your “right to go up the left side of a lorry”.

Suicide was decriminalised under the law of England and Wales by the Suicide Act 1961, overturning the historic position that suicide was an offence under common law broadly equivalent to self murder. Obviously suicide being an offence didn’t affect the deceased, but the criminality of suicide could could add to the problems faced after an unsuccessful suicide attempt or for the survivors of someone successfully committing suicide.

I reject the suggestion made by some that cyclists are, in effect, committing suicide by their acts. My definition of suicide is a deliberate decision to take your life, so an unwise decision that leads to an untimely demise is not a suicide in my eyes. In the case of the latest sad death at Bank, I’m not sure we yet have a clear account of the facts, though it seems that the cyclist somehow found herself between the nearside of a left turning lorry and the kerb.

The reason I brought up the law on suicide is that it illustrates that the existence of a right doesn’t necessarily justify the exercise of the right, let alone make it sensible to exercise the right. Assuming a person wishes to avoid death or injury, which I appreciate is not always the case, it does not make sense for that person knowingly to enter a danger zone on the road, irrespective of the right they have to be on the road or the sort of road user they are. When driving a car, I have the right to sit tight to the offside of a semi-trailer on a roundabout, but I shouldn’t be surprised if my car gets crunched when the artic exits the roundabout, causing the centre of the trailer to sweep towards me, then my insurance company to blame me for the collision.

I find recourse to the language of rights unhelpful in most cases, as it can encourage the mentality of “I’ll do it because I can”.

The law on negligence is based on the duty of care you owe to others. The famous case of Bolam and subsequent case law define the duty of someone purporting to have a special skill as being a reasonably competent practitioner of that skill, even if they are a learner or novice. This means a lorry driver is not negligent if they drive as a reasonably competent professional driver, bearing in mind the limitations of their vehicle.

It is important to remember the reasonably competent cyclist is not necessarily a driver, so may not appreciate the issues faced by a driver.

I can understand why the cycling lobby is portraying themselves as persecuted.

In part, this is because cyclists are some of the most vulnerable road users, having none of the vehicular protection of a motor vehicle driver, much less safety gear than the typical motorcyclist, and they are not always that conspicuous. Simply put, many cyclists feel vulnerable on the roads, especially in the vicinity of large vehicles, and the news coverage of cyclist deaths is upsetting. The poor attitude of some drivers to cyclists doesn’t help.

In part, this is because cycling is becoming increasingly popular, whereas infrastructure for British cyclists is generally rather poor.

Neither of these arguments are undermined by the poor attitudes to risk and to traffic law that some cyclists demonstrate, though these ongoing lapses by some cyclists are extremely unhelpful.

Even so, I find it unhelpful that the specific problems of left turn risk have become conflated with the broader political campaign for better provision and especially better infrastructure for cyclists. This is not a genocide perpetrated by lorry drivers on cyclists. I doubt there are any lorry drivers who go to work aiming to kill a cyclist; the driver in the latest Bank incident was reported to be crying at the scene and will have to live with the memories of what happened even if the investigation rules he is blameless.

It is not feasible to re-engineer every road junction to mitigate left turn risk - even if unlimited funds were available, there often is not enough space to separate cyclists from motorised traffic.

Every cyclist that is killed or seriously injured (KSI) is unfortunate, but cyclists KSI from left turns comprises a minute proportion of overall road KSI. Restrictions on lorry traffic risk unintended consequences - a senior TfL official responsible for cycling policy (whose precise name and job title eludes me at present) has resisted calls for timed lorry bans, pointing out that a rush hour ban on lorries will lead to a greater number of lorries on the roads after the ban ends, risking a greater increase in vulnerable pedestrian KSI than the decrease in rush hour cyclist KSI.

To my mind, the solution to this problem lies partly in assisting the reasonably competent professional driver to detect and avoid nearside hazards when turning left, and partly in educating cyclists so as to raise the ability of the reasonably competent cyclist to avoid left turn danger. I know left turn alarms are embarrassing for drivers and might ultimately achieve little because the public will become desensitised to the noise, whilst underrun bars can pose problems for vehicle manoeuvrability, but it is important to recognise that what is reasonable to require of vehicles changes over time. Those who use and drive lorries cannot reasonably close their mind to the safety issues highlighted by these deaths.

The right to use the roads is accompanied by responsibilities for your own safety and to other road users. I believe it would be helpful if all involved sought reasonable measures to improve safety whilst remembering that it is impossible to eliminate all risk. The attempts to make political capital or impose knee-jerk solutions are unhelpful, in my view.

boredwivdrivin:
heres a thought sherlock

im a very rare cyclist

one that earns my living as a trucker ; i know . most are not truckers ; they dont know .

you are a trucker ; u know .

set your mirrors up without blindspots and use them

if you cant accept the responsibility of your job , get another .

biggles

You seem to enjoy making dot to dot assumptions. I do set up my mirrors without blind spots. I also accept the responsibility of the job. Thats quite ironic of you to say given many cyclists don’t accept their own responsibility.

Just for example, on a plate you’ve provided an example of this. Given you seem to acknowledge some lorry mirrors do not cover blind spots, why not avoid putting yourself in that position. Because you think you shouldn’t have to? Defensive driving. Something the brazen cycling community hasn’t heard of.

boredwivdrivin:
None of these measures come from the transport industry whatsoever .

The-SnowTroll:
I didnt say they did. I listed all the things I could think of off the top of my head that trucks are required to have. It doesnt matter where they came from,the RHA or the EU. The fact is they are there. So,instead of avoiding the question,what would you like the RHA to add to these already in place regulations? Im at a loss as to what else can be put in place but I await your no doubt perfectly thought out ideas with bated breath.

that is your answer ! you know its irrelevant answer as i was challenging rikki assertion that transport industry has done everything possible to stop the carnage .

is a waste of my time ploughing thru your whinging as you will ignore facts and draw wrong conclusions

like the time i tell you its to dangerous for my youngest kids to cycle to school ,
you say they are not skilled enough cyclists !

i tell you the most common complaint from me about lorries is them overtaking me with out pulling out at all and giving me space .you say i should move over when i hear a truck approaching !

i tell you i got hit across back by a trailing strap , you challenge the length of the strap that hit me .

i could go on …

i am not ignoring you snowtroll , but there is rarely anything of substance to respond too .

in the rare event that there is you ignore or misrepresent the answer .

interwoven with pages of quotes and saying any old BS that can think of off the top of your head

"djw:
…I can understand why the cycling lobby is portraying themselves as persecuted.

…To my mind, the solution to this problem lies partly in assisting the reasonably competent professional driver to detect and avoid nearside hazards when turning left, and partly in educating cyclists so as to raise the ability of the reasonably competent cyclist to avoid left turn danger…

cyclists are not portraying themselves as persecuted . they are persecuted . semantics i know but true .

the issue of turning left conflicts are caused by 2 things ( and bearing in mind these are headline grabbing conflicts , but represent only a tiny proportion of the conflicts cyclists encounter )

the first is lorry drivers (and others) not knowing people are there ( as you correctly state )

the second is because ( in towns and cities at least ) the blue/red cycle lanes are on inside of traffic and the cycle priority boxes are just in front . both in traditional blindspot areas .

these cause conflict because motorists ( not just truckers ) see cyclists as pushing in when entering the demarcated areas . this leads to a getting back in front at all costs mentality .
causes drivers to behave aggressively by not leaving room , blowing horn and abuse .

i suggest a good idea would be to change the white/ blue to red with demarcated cycling refuge signage ; and move stop lines further back from junctions . cameras can prosecute drivers who stop in these cycling refuge areas .

and to add to traffic lights in high conflict areas with cycling green lights that let the cyclists go 15 seconds before the traffic . this allows them to get going and gain momentum before the traffic barrels past .

if the costs of this are too high , then congestion charges can be imposed / raised to pay for it .

ALSO :

of course the most dangerous places are actually where the road narrows and cycle lanes just end . this priority must be reversed with cyclists having priority over traffic , and traffic giving way also .

additionally cycle lanes can be resurfaced so cyclists not constantly riding over drains , potholes and other gutter clutter , which leads to falls and swerving .

once measures like these are introduced hopefully we can have many more cyclists and fewer vehicles on the road , for everyones benefit

Muckaway:

boredwivdrivin:

Muckaway:
Sorry to post this again, but apparently (according to Boredwivdrivin) the top Daf mirror is “too round”…Hmm.

whoops . i forgot to mention those bloody quarter light things . you have the arm pulled back to avoid quarterlight line thing . i used to have arm pushed out and see mirror thru the quarterlight , as better with trailer

more blind spots than stevie wonders leopard . .

Use your helmet camera and look at the picture more closely. You can see the full length of the nearside. There is a fence post alongside the tailgate (the tailgate is for discharging the load when tipping, not for cyclists to hold onto) where sensible cyclists would wait at junctions.

Unfortunately no you can’t see the area around the rear corner clearly or for that matter the rear wheels because,as expected there is too much overhang between the body and the cab which is nothing to do with mirror adjustment or mirrors.While the fence post is probably an unrealistic best case scenario,from the point of view of cyclists creeping around the rear corner etc.

As for adjustment there is a good view of the trees/sky :smiling_imp: :laughing: above the wagon which,as I said would be better changed to more view out and down at the side.While the wide angle mirror seems to provide a ( too ) good view of the the cab and door which would again be better changed to more at the side in addition to lifting it a bit more above the door line. :bulb:

As for the quarter window,as on all the old 85’s,issue it’s obvious that the optimum ( widest possible ) position of the mirror arm puts the mirrors clear of being obstructed by the division.So that’s not an issue and any movement forward or back would just increase the body overhang issue thereby removing yet more of the view along the side.

In this case as I said what’s needed is either longer mirror arms or preferably compulsory full width cabs. :bulb:

As for can’t drive won’t drive outfits like these were regularly driven in busy towns amongst plenty of cyclists throughout Europe during the late and post WW2 years.With no major issues of cyclists etc being taken out by them.When I told my old dad I don’t know how he managed it with those mirrors he just laughed.Probably along the lines that Italian and Austrian/German etc cyclists and pedestrians knew their place and had better survival instincts during those less PC days. :wink: :bulb: :unamused:

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boredwivdrivin:

boredwivdrivin:
None of these measures come from the transport industry whatsoever .

The-SnowTroll:
I didnt say they did. I listed all the things I could think of off the top of my head that trucks are required to have. It doesnt matter where they came from,the RHA or the EU. The fact is they are there. So,instead of avoiding the question,what would you like the RHA to add to these already in place regulations? Im at a loss as to what else can be put in place but I await your no doubt perfectly thought out ideas with bated breath.

that is your answer ! you know its irrelevant answer as i was challenging rikki assertion that transport industry has done everything possible to stop the carnage .

Oh my god. Its like pulling teeth. I simply asked you what you would like added. Its a simple question (which I notice still remains unanswered. You struggling with the answering questions thing?) since there are already numerous systems in place.
You demanded the RHA take action. I told you all the requirements I could think of that trucks already are required to have. What else can they add?
It doesnt matter if they came from the RHA or not,if as much as possible is in place then how can MORE be added? What part of this are you struggling with?
What do YOU think the RHA can add on to the requirements already in place? I cant think of anything else that will help when your attitude,which seems popular in the cycling fraternity,is one of “I will cycle where I want and drivers need to take more care”.
Your not challenging his assertion the RHA has done everything possible. Your just saying they haven’t. Theres a difference. Till you come up with some SENSIBLE things that can be implemented then this could roll on forever since your good at demanding answers but strangely fleeting when it comes to supplying them.
Please tell me THIS is clear enough for you. Im losing the will to live trying to make it any simpler to understand

boredwivdrivin:
is a waste of my time ploughing thru your whinging as you will ignore facts and draw wrong conclusions

Coming from you I think thats one of the funniest things Ive ever heard. The man who has continually dodged the issue of cyclists breaking the law and sometimes being to blame for collisions (Ive never said theyre always to blame) and tries to justify sitting on the nearside of a lorry with its left indicator on is accusing ME of ignoring facts.

boredwivdrivin:
like the time i tell you its to dangerous for my youngest kids to cycle to school ,
you say they are not skilled enough cyclists !

You told me they could ride a bit simply because they got down a hill quicker than you! That doesn’t make them skilled. I asked if you had taught them road signs,road sense,the law. You didnt answer (trouble answering questions ringing a bell?) so I was left to the natural conclusion that you haven’t. Oh,and Im pretty sure I didnt actually say they weren’t skilled but ill ignore that

boredwivdrivin:
i tell you the most common complaint from me about lorries is them overtaking me with out pulling out at all and giving me space .you say i should move over when i hear a truck approaching !

Well its not rocket science is it. If you think its too close,move over. You demand everyone else should fit round a cyclist on the road. Try adjusting to other road users yourself.
Plus,you say they didnt move out AT ALL. I said they must have,otherwise they’d go over the top of you. They must have moved over a bit dont you think?

boredwivdrivin:
i tell you i got hit across back by a trailing strap , you challenge the length of the strap that hit me .

You said you couldn’t move over as it was trailing out by 15ft and you couldn’t move over that far. I told you it wouldn’t be as much as 15ft sticking out to the side due to wind factor blowing it behind. Its basic physics. I accussed you of exaggerating the length based on the reasons given. And I think I make a pretty valid point

boredwivdrivin:
i could go on …

Oh I think we’ve all figured that out by now

boredwivdrivin:
i am not ignoring you snowtroll

Still fixated on insults I see. You do know its the lowest form of argument I assume?

boredwivdrivin:
but there is rarely anything of substance to respond too .

Says the man who posts the one sided, closed mind, inane drivel you do.
I think you’ll find,if you can take your head out of your ■■■ and actually look,that I have asked you a few fairly simple questions. Seems plenty of substance to respond to to me. If you have no answer,just say so.

boredwivdrivin:
in the rare event that there is you ignore

Says the man who has refused to answer plenty of questions posed of him this last 3 days

boredwivdrivin:
or misrepresent the answer

Says the man going round in circles regarding my comments about measures already in place and of what he would like the RHA to add rather than just demanding more be done

boredwivdrivin:
interwoven with pages of quotes

If relevent to the post im making then yes. That’s what the quote function is for

boredwivdrivin:
And saying any old BS that can think of off the top of your head

I dont think I need spend ages responding to that. I think everyone else can see the biggest culprit for quoting any old BS

So.just for clarity and to make clear -
1 - What do YOU,boredwivdrivin,think the RHA can do to make cyclists safer on the roads? Ive given you measures already in place. Im not interested in where they came from or who implimented them. What would YOU add? Whats your ideas?
2 - What is your reasoning for refusing to get behind the idea of a cycle test and license requirement for using Britains roads on a bike? You admitted yourself a couple of days ago some were idiots
3 - Why do you think cyclists should be held blameless in all collisions,without looking at any facts,when it is clear there are plenty people on bikes who have no road sense,clue about safety or any idea what they’re doing or how vulnerable they are.
I trust you will answer these questions sensibly,with good,well thought out answers and arguments?

boredwivdrivin:
cyclists are not portraying themselves as persecuted . they are persecuted

Please explain how

boredwivdrivin:
the first is lorry drivers (and others) not knowing people are there

But if the lorry is sitting with its left indicator on,surely it would make more sense to wait behind it? Pulling in there and then demanding the driver pay attention simply because “they’ve positioned themselves there” smacks of arrogance of the highest degree

boredwivdrivin:
the second is because ( in towns and cities at least ) the blue/red cycle lanes are on inside of traffic and the cycle priority boxes are just in front . both in traditional blindspot areas .

Where else can they be though? The left is the safest place,and the box has to be at the front. Do you not think it would be better for cyclists to just wait behind the queueing traffic? That would be the safest option would it not?

boredwivdrivin:
these cause conflict because motorists ( not just truckers ) see cyclists as pushing in when entering the demarcated areas . this leads to a getting back in front at all costs mentality .
causes drivers to behave aggressively by not leaving room , blowing horn and abuse .

No arguments there. I fully admit some motorists have a shocking attitude to this (ive never stated otherwise) Whether drivers like it or not,if the cycle lane and the priority box are there (and if getting used by the cyclists properly and responsibly) then it needs dealt with like any other road law. Maturely. Some drivers need to change their attitude,no question.

boredwivdrivin:
I suggest a good idea would be to change the white/ blue to red with demarcated cycling refuge signage ; and move stop lines further back from junctions . cameras can prosecute drivers who stop in these cycling refuge areas .

Well what do you know. FINALLY a sensible suggestion. And like I said yesterday,im not averse to getting on board with something sensible. And this one makes semse. (am I getting old?)

boredwivdrivin:
and to add to traffic lights in high conflict areas with cycling green lights that let the cyclists go 15 seconds before the traffic . this allows them to get going and gain momentum before the traffic barrels past .

Wow. Two in the same post. Now we’re getting somewhere. This is actually one of the best ideas ive ever heard (as much as it pains me to say!) The only problem would be how do you differentiate between a cyclist light to go and a motorists? With the best will in the world,some motorists might see a light change and go. Its human nature. Maybe not green for cyclists but blue?
This idea could also solve the problem above of drivers seeing cyclists as pushing in. As they are already be away before the drivers light changes

boredwivdrivin:
if the costs of this are too high , then congestion charges can be imposed / raised to pay for it .

Maybe. But do not think some kind of cycle tax could also be introduced? Motoring is already highly taxed and introducing more taxation will undo any good which may come if your first two ideas are ever implimented

boredwivdrivin:
of course the most dangerous places are actually where the road narrows and cycle lanes just end . this priority must be reversed with cyclists having priority over traffic , and traffic giving way also .

If the cyclist is going to be at the end of the cycle lane where it dissapears then they have priority anyway. Theres not much else can be done with this

boredwivdrivin:
additionally cycle lanes can be resurfaced so cyclists not constantly riding over drains , potholes and other gutter clutter , which leads to falls and swerving .

Yes,swerving to avoid potholes and crap in the gutter causes problems. I like the American way of doing it. Instead of drain covers,the hole for rain water is in the side of the pavement. This alleviates the problem. Potholes are a different issue. Id propose it law that councils have 48 hours maximum to repair ALL potholes in cycle lanes and roadways

That was one of your most sensible posts,and actually had some sense and decent,workable ideas.
Is that not better? Rather than “I have more right” “No,I have more right” mud slinging and insulting each other,everyone can work together and maybe we can get somewhere to make everyones journey on the roads,irrespective of their chosen mode of transport,a safer,more pleasant experience?
The only issue I have is that your points seem a bit one sided. Fine drivers,increase charges etc. All well and good but nothing to deal with the issue of cyclists who run red lights,text,dont use hands,go wrong way round roundabouts etc. Surely you cant deny it does happen? Do you not think something similar to a number plate system for bikes might be a good idea? As I said yesterday,the main grievence of drivers is that cyclists appear to get away with shocking amounts of law breaking. If they were held accountable then it might make the aggression towards cyclists subside.
Ive never had a problem with cyclists,only the ones with the attitude you’ve displayed of late. But posts like this,without insults or point scoring, and filled with decent ideas are whats needed. All sides can work together,thrash out the problems and maybe,hopefully,all be able to use the road without hating one another just because someone is on a bike or in a lorry.
Maybe this thread can get back to being a sensible debate. (We live in hope!)

Snowtroll . i must sincerely apologise . the next time a get flayed by a strap and hoofed off my bike i must remember to find a tape measure , run after fleeing lorry and measure the strap .
Most people would be concered with me being injured and off bike but i can see thats wrong and its the estimation of length of steap thats key
My bads .
Im sorry

SnowTroll . when answering a question ‘wot has transport industry done to alleviate problem’ i can now see that a list of things OTHER people have done IS relevant
I dont know how i could be so stooopud not to reslise that

My humbles
Soreee

A list of things transport industry COULD/SHOULD do yo alleviate problems :

1 fit near side cameras to remove blindspots . these are available Maplins circa £80 and can be viewed via some satnavs , most phones , or specifally fitted lcd screens i am assured by young gentleman in shop .

2 it can fit semi conical mirrors inside door frame looking down blindspots . we had these 15 years ago on Bookers

3 it can fit anti under run bars to all vehicles , incl tippers sliding skellies and dust cart etc . on the rare occassion ground clearance is an issue they can be raised with simple engineering solution . this will lead to cyclists being bruised rather than crushed under wheels

Boredwivdrivin this is all going to be payed for by who the cyclists to keep the idiots safe I think not be cause they think everybody should pander to them.
Just so you know your post are complete and utter drivel I’m now boredwivreadingyourcrap HTH.

boredwivdrivin:
fit under run bars to all vehicles , incl tippers sliding skellies and dust cart etc . on the rare occassion ground clearance is an issue they can be raised with simple engineering solution . this will lead to cyclists being bruised rather than crushed under wheels

Feel free to explain how a cyclist who’s been knocked to the ground by a side guard won’t then be run over by the wheels. :unamused:

4 industry can cooperate wiv cycling groups regarding training , risk awareness

5 cycling groups can cooperate with trans ind to ensure 1/5 cpc training is cycling awareness course

6 ensure all lorries carry visible ( famous) yellow warning stickers

7 industry can use the lobbying funds to lobby for segregated cycleways , instead of against any new safety measure

8 trans ind can ensure compliance with both letter and spirit of law by not paying load bonus

9 trans ind can boycott DAF until they invest in better designed mirrors

10 trans ind can become compliant with spirit and letter of RIDDOR

Carryfast:
Feel free to explain how a cyclist who’s been knocked to the ground by a side guard won’t then be run over by the wheels. :unamused:

Because they will tend to get knocked away from vehicle . not fall under wheels .
Not quaranteed obviously , but every little helps