Still doing it. Sometimes there isn’t a bike there. Sometimes is not a measurable amount. Since nobody measure incidents which could have resulted in a collision it’s difficult to actually know how many collisions have been prevented by the actions of those observant drivers. Nobody measures things that might have happened although in health and safety terms at work we are told to report dangerous occurrences which may have caused an accident but didn’t.
So what’s the answer then Albion?
The argument that anyone can get on a bike, of any age and experience, with no training insurance, protective gear or licence, and then mix it with large vehicles, is very strong.
Everyone else excluding pedestrians is regulated to some extent; there seems little enforcement from the police with regard to cycling misdemeanours.
There seems a particular problem with female cyclists in Central London. Of course there are other tragic deaths in the rest of the country, but there seems a particular problem in London.
Cycling has a strong lobby, whereas the drivers and operators of these trucks don’t, so the onus rightly or wrongly seems to be one sided. Perhaps it’s time for some legislation, as others have alluded to, about banning cyclists from travelling up the near side of trucks at any time. This would surely make a difference?
There seems little else that can be done IMHO.
Why do people think having a law about banning cyclists going up the inside of vehicles would prevent deaths? There’s a law against speeding, doesn’t seem to work very well does it? It’s simply unenforceable.
I think the answer is a flame thrower on the near side that automatically turns on when the cyclist approaches. Now close the thread. You’re welcome 
bazza123:
So what’s the answer then Albion?The argument that anyone can get on a bike, of any age and experience, with no training insurance, protective gear or licence, and then mix it with large vehicles, is very strong.
Everyone else excluding pedestrians is regulated to some extent; there seems little enforcement from the police with regard to cycling misdemeanours.
There seems a particular problem with female cyclists in Central London. Of course there are other tragic deaths in the rest of the country, but there seems a particular problem in London.
Cycling has a strong lobby, whereas the drivers and operators of these trucks don’t, so the onus rightly or wrongly seems to be one sided. Perhaps it’s time for some legislation, as others have alluded to, about banning cyclists from travelling up the near side of trucks at any time. This would surely make a difference?
There seems little else that can be done IMHO.
I don’t know the answer. I wish I did but a good start would be to stop all the childish fighting and all the hatred that goes on between them.
It is not as simple as banning cyclists going up the nearside of trucks. It simply would not work. Other countries seem to have the answers and have no problem. Why can’t we?
Rikki-UK:
The road transport industry has adapted , created schemes and had legislation to try to help allieviate the problem of trucks vs cyclists,
well that is satisfying to know . hang on WHAT exactly have they done ■■
there is the “yellow sticker” on mudflap effort granted . but waiting to exit wholesaler M1/north circ area yesterday out of 7 lorries that wouldnt let me out only 1 had the sticker and it was dirty/damaged/unreadable . worse most rigids had no antiunderrun bars down the side . presumably on the offchance they tip offroad .
what about training kids in schools ■■ get em young , i ask the experts : my youngest kids . they are pleased to confirm that they have had training at least once a year , sometimes 2 , since primary school . this is an example of haulage industry doing something positive !
hang on , who provided training : SUSTRANS : a cycle charity paid for by cyclist subscriptions and local government grant
:CyclelifeUK : a cycle charity paid for by cyclist subscriptions , sale of refurb bikes and local gov grants
: Bristol City council safety bod . paid for by you
any sign of transport industry involvement ■■?
a young lady i know volunteers as sustrans safety officer . she has asked RHA and local companies to provide a lorry for an hour to show kids something other than crap videos … of course no one will do this . too busy . too costly . too dangerous !!!
So what has the road haulage industry done exactly . apart from not fitting yellow stickers and not contributing to safety charities ■■
fitted those dopey mirrors on front of truck !! this is EU legislation so dont think road transport can claim credit for this , and its designed to stop you running over pedestrians in front at crossing .
DQC . come on , not trying to claim credit for this surely . and i bet only a fraction of drivers have had safety training towards other road users . ive done tachos 5 times
And in TruckStopNews is an article about new group set up by industry chaired by Baroness Bigtits Someone . Some credit here surely ■■ its a road transport THING . from memory it said paid for by SCANIA . so might as well be a coach or aero engine thing .
come on know alls and trolls : provide me with some answers !!!
CYCLING DOWN NEARSIDE :
if you care to look this is the designated cycling space . little white lines and sometimes red/blue tarmac ■■
this is where cyclist are MEANT to cycle !!
if we dont undertake then would have to queue behind traffic , breathing their fumes and defeating the primary purpose of cycling in city which is to reduce traffic jams and make progress !!
if its 2 lanes then outside of inside lane is inside of second !!
if we cycle down outside of all traffic then we are cycling towards ONCOMING traffic or between traffic and central reservation . if traffic starts moving we would be pooped
let me make this clear ::
CYCLISTS ARE GOING TO CYCLE DOWN NEARSIDE OF TRAFFIC
get used to it and OBSERVE BEFORE MOVING
albion1971:
It is not as simple as banning cyclists going up the nearside of trucks. It simply would not work. Other countries seem to have the answers and have no problem. Why can’t we?
Unfortunately some cycling lobbies and councils think it is simply a case of banning HGVs though. All very one sided. Still can’t for life of me think why they can’t sit and have an honest debate about it to prevent more deaths and the grief all involved go through
boredwivdrivin:
CYCLISTS ARE GOING TO CYCLE DOWN NEARSIDE OF TRAFFIC
Of course they are but its WHEN they choose to do it which is often the reason they put themselves in a situation
Are they taught which situations may be unsafe to do so 
ROG : you are missing the point : that is where the cycle lanes are .
that is CYCLISTS space .
boredwivdrivin:
come on know alls and trolls : provide me with some answers !!!
Says the man who refused to answer my perfectly simple question and instead got in a pre-emptive strike by giving it “I wont respond to you” to avoid giving answers to any questions he didnt like or want to answer.
And your really going to have to watch the use of that word “troll”. Just because someone pokes holes in your posts,asks you a question you dont like,wants you to explain your reasons behind something you’ve put etc etc does NOT make them a troll. You cant just post some of the aggressive nonsense you’ve done this last 3 days and call everyone who calls you out on it a troll. I strongly suggest you go back and look up what it means
boredwivdrivin:
if you care to look this is the designated cycling space . little white lines and sometimes red/blue tarmac ■■
Doesnt mean you need to cycle up the inside. It goes all the way to the front of the lights because that’s where the stop sign is. It DOES NOT mean it is ok to sit there when a vehicle wants to turn left
boredwivdrivin:
this is where cyclist are MEANT to cycle !!
If the road is clear. NOT if traffic is there already
boredwivdrivin:
if we dont undertake then would have to queue behind traffic , breathing their fumes and defeating the primary purpose of cycling in city which is to reduce traffic jams and make progress !!
You know what causes all the animosity towards cyclists? THIS ATTITUDE.
Your not causing traffic jams because when the lights change the traffic can overtake. Make progress? To where exactly? Its the attitude you have here of “we have the right to do this because we are cyclists” that causes the problems as drivers see you all getting more and more arrogant and acting like you have more right to be there than anyone else.
boredwivdrivin:
if we cycle down outside of all traffic then we are cycling towards ONCOMING traffic or between traffic and central reservation . if traffic starts moving we would be pooped
No one asks you to cycle down the outside. You have no god given right to skip past all traffic. Only if you can and its safe
boredwivdrivin:
let me make this clear ::CYCLISTS ARE GOING TO CYCLE DOWN NEARSIDE OF TRAFFIC
get used to it and OBSERVE BEFORE MOVING
Typical cyclist attitude. No interest in trying to adjust or look at their own attitude. Simply place all the responsibility squarely on everyone else. Rather than maybe try to come up with workable solutions all you can do is attempt to justify it,blame drivers for everything and ignore anyone else’s suggestions.
You’l still ignore this post obviously. Like all idiots on forums who post bile you’ve already proven your not confident in your own stance and what your saying by ignoring or insulting everyone who questions you. If you TRUELY believed what you were posting,you’d have answers for everyone. But you dont. All you have is aggression,insults,blame and arrogance.
yo troll .
i asked you guys to tell me what transport industry has done to alleviate the problem , as ricky stated they had .
i DID NOT ask trolls to answer the second post as it is fact and you can only agree or disagree .
so snowman troll WHAT HAS TRANSPORT INDUSTRY DONE TO ALLEVIATE THE PROBLEM ■■?
hint thats the question (before question marks) //\above//\
boredwivdrivin:
ROG : you are missing the point : that is where the cycle lanes are .that is CYCLISTS space .
Perhaps then the easy solution to paint a small yellow box junction in the cycle lane about 60 feet from the junction, thus warning cyclists not to enter unless it is clear to proceed, but I can see numerous problems with that idea.
What we need is a solution that in no way defeats the whole freedom and lack of accountability cyclists enjoy, to be fair as a 10 mile a day ex cyclist myself its great to crack on whilst other traffic is stuck.
So the only solution I can think of at short notice is to redesign each and every dangerous junction with cycle lane which directs cyclists onto the pavement to their own special crossing lights then back on again.
Would this work, would it ■■■■, as we all know cyclists only use cycle lanes when it suits them, the advanced cyclist is not at risk as they know the dangers and are fit / experienced enough to get themselves out of trouble. But the inexperiened cyclist follows them or copies these bad habits and ends up in trouble.
So as with most things in life the TFL will pay lipservice to the cycling groups, nothing will change untill somebody of importance gets knocked off their bike or worse.
Cyclists are seen as collateral damage, when the simplist solution to save lives is a full HGV ban during peak times then a cyclist ban during the wee hours, no surprise that the financial implications of this far outweigh the lives of a few bike riders so it will never happen.
boredwivdrivin:
CYCLING DOWN NEARSIDE :if you care to look this is the designated cycling space . little white lines and sometimes red/blue tarmac ■■
this is where cyclist are MEANT to cycle !!
if we dont undertake then would have to queue behind traffic , breathing their fumes and defeating the primary purpose of cycling in city which is to reduce traffic jams and make progress !!
if its 2 lanes then outside of inside lane is inside of second !!
if we cycle down outside of all traffic then we are cycling towards ONCOMING traffic or between traffic and central reservation . if traffic starts moving we would be poopedlet me make this clear ::
CYCLISTS ARE GOING TO CYCLE DOWN NEARSIDE OF TRAFFIC
get used to it and OBSERVE BEFORE MOVING
You’re having a zb laugh.It’s no more ‘cyclist’s space’ than lane 1 on the two or three lane approach and entry/exit to/of a roundabout is ‘car driver’s space’ when there is a zb great big truck sitting across lanes 2 and 3 with its left hand indicator going or possibly having forgot to use the indicator or possibly even going straight on. 
As for all your bs reasons why you won’t wait behind potentially turning vehicles it’s that type of bs logic which is the exact reason why cyclists are getting hit by left turning trucks and shows the level of intelligence of most of the thick zb’s riding cycles.In which case nothing will change and the casualty rate will continue so get used to it. 
Extending my yellow box idea a bit, why not just paint 60 feet of the cycle lane red, and do a campaign to make everyone aware this is a hazard area so at least inexperienced cyclists will know they are at risk, forewarned is forearmed etc. A mirror on the top of traffic lights is also a help.
Oh and by cycle ban during wee hours I mean on the roads they can be allowed to use the pavement which is where they should be anyway but thats another can of worms which highlights the true nature of the aggresive cyclist amoungst more vunerable pedestdians.
Course not all cyclists are lycra loonies just some protest to much and dont seem to rember that its the vunerable ineperienced ones we need to help. Which is the common factor here, we all want less folks on bikes to die (well most of us hopefully).
Point scoring on internet forums make an interesting read but doesnt save lives.
Dipper_Dave:
Point scoring on internet forums make an interesting read but doesnt save lives.
I think you’ve missed can’t drive won’t drive’s bs comments which are an accurate reflection of the real problem.
In the UK the air rail and marine accident investigation branches publish detailed reorts which anyone can read online, which detail specifics about how near misses and accidents on those sectors have occurred.
Data for road accidents isn’t published on the same way, with coroners reports on the net providing little detail to the general public.
Therefore, it’s difficult for the industry and wider public to understand how these accidents have occurred in detail; who did what and when.
However,
There does seem a problem whereby left turning tippers in Central London are running over undertaking female cyclists at junctions.
There’s nothing wrong with going down the side of a truck at lights, it’s when both bike and truck move off that seems to be the issue. If the cyclist is rolling or is quick at accelerating, they seem to be staying up the left side which remains in the swept path if the wheels and body of the left turning vehicle.
Ideally they should be well ahead or behind the truck at the turn, as we all can see.
In these incidents they couldn’t have been, either because the truck overtook then cut them up, or the cyclist didn’t take into account/ignored the truck indicators or warning sound and stayed in the blind spot.
Whilst it might be difficult to enforce, if the cyclist isn’t ALLOWED to be in that position, this must resolve this problem surely■■?
boredwivdrivin:
CYCLING DOWN NEARSIDE :if you care to look this is the designated cycling space . little white lines and sometimes red/blue tarmac ■■
this is where cyclist are MEANT to cycle !!
if we dont undertake then would have to queue behind traffic , breathing their fumes and defeating the primary purpose of cycling in city which is to reduce traffic jams and make progress !!
if its 2 lanes then outside of inside lane is inside of second !!
if we cycle down outside of all traffic then we are cycling towards ONCOMING traffic or between traffic and central reservation . if traffic starts moving we would be poopedlet me make this clear ::
CYCLISTS ARE GOING TO CYCLE DOWN NEARSIDE OF TRAFFIC
get used to it and OBSERVE BEFORE MOVING
I assume the people in charge of Londons roads agree with you that the primary purpose of cycling in the city is to reduce traffic traffic jams. So, Boris and his mates set out to encourage city cycling as a solution. If so I can’t believe this was a sensible one, given the limited potential to change the road network etc. He pays lip service to safety with " look we’ve put in cycle lanes, I know, we’ll make lorries fit 12 mirrors, side guards and talking bleepers ". " But Boris, if we put cycle lanes down the inside off traffic and cycle boxes at the front of vehicles aren’t we encouraging cyclists to put themselves in danger by undertaking ? " " Didn’t you here what I said ? lorries are going to have gadgets and things. " Oh and I’m going to get a fleet of bikes and call them BORIS BIKES , pretty ■■■■ cool eh ? "
With the present situation, which I can’t see changing anytime soon, city cycling is a very dangerous thing to take part in.
So, to close in the same manner as you
let me make this clear
CYCLISTS ARE GOING TO DIE
get used to it and THINK BEFORE COCKING YOUR LEG OVER.
BillyHunt:
Mike-C:
BillyHunt:
I don’t suppose these incidents could have anything to do with this could they?
road.cc/154913I’d doubt it. According to that report…
TfL says that issues identified included lack of insurance, driving without the appropriate licence, with unsafe tyres or an unsafe load, and not accurately recording driver hours.
Now i’m no expert in this area, but i don’t think any of them things have been responsible for a cyclist death in London.
The point being that, if you’re the type of driver willing to take a vehicle on the road with any of those conditions you’re not really going to be the type that drives responsibly are you?
Dunno, although i see lots of cyclists cycling irresponsibly too.
Maybe they should fine cyclists who hold traffic up on the roads, like they’re now doing with middle lane hoggers? 
bazza123:
In the UK the air rail and marine accident investigation branches publish detailed reorts which anyone can read online, which detail specifics about how near misses and accidents on those sectors have occurred.Data for road accidents isn’t published on the same way, with coroners reports on the net providing little detail to the general public.
Therefore, it’s difficult for the industry and wider public to understand how these accidents have occurred in detail; who did what and when.
However,
There does seem a problem whereby left turning tippers in Central London are running over undertaking female cyclists at junctions.
There’s nothing wrong with going down the side of a truck at lights, it’s when both bike and truck move off that seems to be the issue. If the cyclist is rolling or is quick at accelerating, they seem to be staying up the left side which remains in the swept path if the wheels and body of the left turning vehicle.
Ideally they should be well ahead or behind the truck at the turn, as we all can see.
In these incidents they couldn’t have been, either because the truck overtook then cut them up, or the cyclist didn’t take into account/ignored the truck indicators or warning sound and stayed in the blind spot.
Whilst it might be difficult to enforce, if the cyclist isn’t ALLOWED to be in that position, this must resolve this problem surely■■?
Agreed.It isn’t so much the issue of cyclists going along the nearside of trucks on the approach to a junction etc.It is more an issue of them also doing that on entry into the junction itself where the vehicle turns/potentially turns.In which case the answer is to educate cyclists of the dangers and telling them to wait behind not try to undertake/outrun.The problem being that they obviously don’t want to be ‘educated’ in that regard.
While it is obvious that the situation of an overtaking truck which turns across a cyclist is a totally different issue which can only realistically be sorted out by way of deterrents in the form of the maximum dangerous driving penalty.